10/15 (KEE): QE II Challenge Cup S. (G1), KEE 75th Anniversary S.
 

8th (5:13) Keeneland 75th Anniversary S.

6 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $125,000

1 D' Wildcat Road Morales R 118 L
2 Canigotoo Theriot H J II 118 LA
3 Italo Sanchez J 118 L
4 Norm's Passion Gomez G K 118 LA
5 Sheriff Silverstar Cruz M R 122 LA
6 Luke of York Maragh R 118 L
7 Sarge Hudson Lanerie C J 118 LA
8 Voodoo Daddy Leparoux J R 118 LA
9 Larry Zip Graham J 118 LA



9th (5:45) Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Star Billing Espinoza V 121 LA
2 Together (IRE) O'Donoghue C 121 L
3 Winter Memories Castellano J J 121 LA
4 Marketing Mix Gomez G K 121 LA
5 Nereid Talamo J 121 LA
6 More Than Real Nakatani C S 121 LA
7 Kathmanblu Leparoux J R 121 A
8 Summer Soiree Dominguez R A 121 LA

Interesting ride Leparoux gave Kathmanblu.

Yes with a better one she surely would have won.

Definitely not and it's not like you would know what you were looking at anyway, but the ride was sh.it. Not Ryan Curatolo in the last at Belmont bad, but still bad.

How so?

Watch the race.

What happened to Winter Memories? I missed the race.

She was never really involved and I think just missed 3rd.

Since Lezcano can't be blamed for this, I wonder who will get it.

Thanks. Will try and catch the replay later.

Here's the stretch run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ5G_50PsIo

Saw the replay. He did go 3 wide on the first turn. That was difference of losing the race by 20 lengths. He could have easily lost by only 18 if he had saved some ground

Thanks. Certainly not the closing kick we are used to seeing from Winter Memories, but then again, facing better horses than she has been will cause a lot of that.

I may not know what I'm looking at but commenting on Kathmanblu's ride is like commenting on the ride given by Rick's Natural Star' in the Breeders Cup Turf. It's totally irrelevant.

Or Indy Five Hundred in the Flower Bowl?

She really did get a horrible ride there. Otherwise she would have been beat by only 30 lengths.

Sweet analogy.

I thought so. They both had about the same chance in their respective races.

Her trainer begged you not to run her.

I'm confused.

Who did Rick's Natural Star ride in the BC Turf?

You're right. I'm surprised it took somebody this long to notice.

Indeed, we are a critical bunch here.

The story of IC's life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Tm1...eature=related

lol, yeah.

And this for your life story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzA-V0YN3QA

Being that far behind a slow pace set her up to fail. Summer Soiree was even worse.

No question that pace certainly compromised WM, and she really should never had been that far behind that soft of a pace- but that said, if she isn't tactical enough to lay closer to those fractions or make up more ground after going 1:12:6 , she really doesn't rate even being discussed
SS had completely no excuse whatsoever under a dream ride, and getting beat by a filly coming in off of a pretty taxing account of herself a week earlier really makes you wonder about both of them.
It isn't like either one of them were dramatically disadvantaged by the way the race played out and both looked very average

First, that was not a slow pace for that distance and final time. The best running took place from the half to the 6f.

Second, the winner was only a few lengths in front of Winter Memories early, 3 1/2, and gained another two lengths to the finish. She couldn't even catch the 3rd place finisher, a horse that was 7th to her 8th at the first call. In a race where the winner and 3rd place finisher were 6th and 7th early, I find it hard to use pace as an excuse for the horse that was 8th early.

How about she isn't all that and never was.. How good do you really have to be to be a quasi star on the turf in the US. The horses are basically ordinary. 3 year old fillies that can run a little are graded turf winners in the states, why anyone would believe that any of them are more then products of depleted breeding stock and fewer decent turf trainers is beyond me. Almost all of or turf star in the states would be marginal Group 3 listed animals in Europe. Why would anymore suspect that we could have turf runners that can be or should be reviewed as more then dirt wannbes?

You know I've been saying that since before the BC Juvy F Turf last year.

You were right yesterday, and I've pretty much agreed with you--at least that she was a bet against recently and that her trips were much better than people realized.

But, it's kind of hard to pat yourself on the back for that opinion considering what she did in between the Miss Grillo and QEII.

She was beating very slow horses and being praised as some wonder horse. She even managed to toss in an off the board loss. Even her wins were nothing to write home about for me. Visually they looked great, but numerically, not so much.