"Charismatic" on ESPN
 

http://espn.go.com/espn/espnfilms/st...04/charismatic

Airs Oct. 18th at 8pm ET on ESPN.

The story of the horse was more interesting and unusual than the story of the jockey.

Thanks for the heads up!

I got married the day he won the Preakness (May 15th 1999)

This was way before I was into Horse racing.
Now my Dumb^$$ has an Anniversary to celebrate on every Preakness weekend.:wf

^^
Authentic SEC speak

I was gonna type " I was busy getting married"

I am tired.

What do you know about SEC speak, you always spell Peyton Manning's name wrong.

Thanks, Merlinsky!

I've been waiting for this -- it was originally to be aired as one of ESPN's 30 for 30 shows, but was pulled for some reason. The story is compelling; I hope they do it justice.

Steve Haskin on Charismatic and Chris Antley's story:

Hangin' With Haskin: Heaven and Hell

I enjoyed Three Strides From the Wire, I can't wait to see this.

I got tied up on the phone and missed out on Steve's talk about Charismatic and the AntMan -- sounds like he interviewed Drew Mollica -- will have to listen to the archived show later.

DVR is set for tonight.

Indeed had Molica, who knew Antley perhaps better than anyone, and he was terrific. 11:05-11:20.

And if he'd pulled him up then and it turned out nothing was wrong, what would have happened to him? Care to go back through the comments after KD's ride on Big Brown in the Belmont? As none of us have been in Antley's position- riding a horse with a chance to win the Triple Crown, I don't think we can judge what he did, or what he said in the heat of emotion right after the race. Whether it happened at the top of the stretch, or right before the wire, he made the best judgment he could in an extremely high-pressure moment. The horse is alive today and Antley is not.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, I googled "Antley Charismatic Daily News" and found this article from Sunday, June 8, 1999:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/1999...c-triple-crown

"Long before he could explain how he felt Charismatic "let up a little bit" with an eighth of a mile to go, still in the green and yellow silks he had worn to victory in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness, tears rolled down his track-stained cheeks as his mother silently rubbed his back.
"He gave a lot," Antley said of his horse, a brave third in the Belmont Stakes while finishing with two fractures in his left front ankle, a broken cannon bone and a broken sesamoid. "He gave America a lot."
Charismatic gave his racing career trying to become the first Triple Crown winner since 1978. He'll never run again.
"Hopefully, he'll have a lot of babies for us," Antley said.
At the top of the stretch, Antley thought he had it.
He didn't know anything was seriously wrong, even when Lemon Drop Kid and Vision and Verse had passed him in the final eighth. He said he rode hard enough, striking Charismatic twice with the whip, to preserve the third-place finish, and as he reached the finish, he felt the horse "dip beneath me."
"He was hurt, but he's an athlete and he gave his all," said Antley. "

I'm not sure if you read something different, or misremembered "let up a little bit" as "felt something at the top of the stretch," but this is what I found. Though as you said you are certain of your memory, if you find something different, do post it.

I remember this was the Derby between super horse Worldy Manner, the talented crazy horse named General Challenge

Worldly Manner was the furthest thing from a super horse. He was freaking slow.

Generally Challenged was only a slight favorite because he was coupled with the razor sharp filly Excellent Meeting -- who probably would have attracted as much support as him in the betting -- if not more -- if they were uncoupled.

Steven Got Even was bet hard for Zito that year off of an upset win in the Jim Beam/Galleryfurniture.com/Spiral/whatever they call that Turfway Park Stakes.

Uh, my ESPN channel has a bunch of mostly naked people on it right now???

edit: Ok, now it's on!

If " Wayne knew he had a secret weapon all along " how come he ran him for a tag?

The footage of Antley is heartbreaking.

It is refreshing to hear the honesty about the ride costing Charismatic the race. Chris was a great rider. That was a horrendous ride.

I'm not sure what Ron Anderson was babbling about when he was attempting to defend the ride ... the horse ran his race and didn't break down until after the finish line.

If you're taking the position of defending the ride - it's a very simple explanation - the filly Silverbulletday came into that race with form and numbers that were clearly superior to any of Charismatic's male rivals.

If Silverbulletday was allowed no pressure on an uncontested lead -- she was almost 100% likely to run to her best numbers. Charismatic was also stretching out off of a very fast paced 9.5 furlong race - and was never that far back in the Derby -- what really made the ride appear to be so terrible after the fact was the dismal way Silverbulletday performed in the final quarter mile after getting all that pressure through very legit fractions.





SILVERBULLETDAY




Was it a terrible ride? In a sense that Charismatic still ran to his good form despite the more forward tactics - and his best challenger fell apart very late from the pressure - the tactics actually worked because they achieved the desired goal in that sense.

The problem was two horses (Lemon Drop Kid and Vision And Verse) both made significant improvement over the form they brought into the race.

Trying to erase an advantage of your toughest competitior on paper is A LOT different than doing something truly insane and going after a 100/1 shot on paper like Franklin did in '79.

That aside -- Antley was one F'ed up mo-fo who needed help.

Silverbulletday was not a serious threat to win that race....though I get your point.

Ron's comments were absurd.

i thouhgt it was pretty well done i was glad that thye told the whole story about antley and didn't leave out the bad parts i thought pretty good show and im sure i'll watch it again. i just hope that when they are done wiht the horse he can come to old friends i live just a 45min drive and would love to see him. did nto really know about the ride he gave the horse in the race but i wonder if it woudl have mattered who knows. Overall well done show.

Her and Menifee were the only two rivals in the race under 9/1 odds... and he had just beaten Menifee twice and Menifee didn't even manage to finish ahead of Silverbulletday in that Belmont.

Bad ride or not - I think his fear was SBD jogging on an uncontested lead and he having to worry about coming from mid-pack behind a slower pace with other jocks trying to race-ride him.

Because of the way the film was presented -- it might leave some thinking his brain was cooked from drugs, or from partying the night before, or lack of sleep or whatever. Certainly that wasn't the case. He simply had his eye on SBD the whole way and didn't seem too concerned about Menifee .. the rest were all longshots.

They really were bad.. Maybe he hasn't seen the replay since 99 to remember when the horse broke down..

I wasn't aware that Lukas talked with Lewis about a jock switch between the Preakness and Belmont.. I wonder if someone like Bailey or McCarron would have made a difference..

I think it's more a question of tactics than riders. Silverbulletday was still leading after 10 furlongs -- but the way she performed in the last quarter mile with all that good pressure through legit fractions - in hindsight - the thing to do would have been to ignore her and let her have a free ride.

In a case like this, the name of the jockey isn't as important and as the read and strategy the jockey has going into the race.

Antley was a truly great rider....that ride aside.

Perhaps CA thought he was sitting on a tremendous machine. Winning a TC just wasn't enough, had to be over the top.

In "three Strides Before the Wire" Lukas is quoted right after the Belmont as saying he had no issue with the ride. I believe (and I'll check sources) his quote, and I am paraphrasing was "why give up what comes easily and take back 6-7 lengths and have to make them up later".

Also, Chris rode for Lukas after the Belmont. He rode Magicalmysterycat to win the Landaluce in July 1999. He also rode Commendable for Lukas in the San Felipe so I guess all was forgiven?

2 More Airings.. if you missed
 

WEDNESDAY, OCT. 19
-- ESPN: 9 p.m.

SUNDAY, OCT. 23
-- ESPN: 10 p.m.

I remember the effortless move to the front that Silverbulletday made in the Oaks and I still believe she would have been tough to beat in the Derby. I guess Baffert didn't want his superb fillies facing off, but he sent the wrong one on the wrong day.

You are giving him way, way too much credit here. There was no logic behind it whatsoever.

Why does her running line not reflect the race she ran?

Antley was my favorite jockey growing-up. I still remember when I finally got his "jockey trading card" at Saratoga.

It happens in dozens of races everyday throughout the country. It doesn't always backfire either... but it looks real bad when it does.

Take Jerry Bailey's ride on Cigar in the Pac Classic for instance. Bailey had Cigar more forward than he needed to be in order to press Siphon (who he said after the race he felt was his only danger) and the hapless Dare And Go roared past them both in the stretch.

I can’t say whether Antley’s ride cost Charismatic the Triple Crown, but I do like the case that CalzoneLord and others make in defense of it. I remember the disappointment of seeing him falter down the stretch, the gut wrenching feeling when Chris pulled him up, and later the relief of hearing that his injuries weren’t life threatening.

It’s unfortunate that the “story” is about Antley’s drug dependence, although sadly it is and will always be a dominant story line in his career. But man, what a jockey. When he was “right,” he was so damn good. What a sweet time it is when horse, jockey, trainer and owner come together in a flash of perfection, and sweeter still when the horse and rider are enjoying moments of redemption. If only it could have lasted. Barbara Livingston’s photos are a reminder of just how great the good times were.

Finally, I was disappointed that the film didn’t present more about the story of the horse for which it was named.

Agree 100%..had skills that most jocks could only dream about it...strong demon had one hell of a hold on him..always wondered how great he really could have been...RIP Ant Man..

Scat OUT

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****! I missed the Sunday replay too. Hopefully they'll play it one more time next week in promotion for the Breeders Cup