Something wrong with Overdriven.. already
 

They should start with his liver. That seems to be a problem area (i.e. Devil May Care, Uncle Mo..)

Liver? Why would they start there,I thought liver was CODENAME for can't get past 1 1/16 miles?:D

Seriously tho,he looked like a nice horse-hope he is Ok

Post of the year..

How much Guinness does he give those guys ?

;)

Not Guinness. Vitamin Water and Pirate's Booty.

He should be good enough for an ABA or USFL type racing series in that condition.

I don't know if it's the liver or something else non-racing related but Pletcher might do well to have a doctor from the CDC on staff.

Read this in B Livingston's blog on DRF apparently this TAP has a super sized heart or perhaps his liver is just enormous

Above: Caixa Eletronica (center) toted 127 pounds - not common nowadays - while winning a starter allowance Monday. His rivals carried between 117 and 119 pounds. Afterward, Pletcher assistant Whit Beckman proudly said, "If you had an X-ray on that camera, you'd see a heart as big as a basketball.

Agree...

Nice horse, that's a shame. Hope it's something fixable. Gotta run the fastest to be able to blow it apart, unfortunately.

When you get the old "I don't know what's wrong with him routine," you start realizing how familiar it all sounds...

Owners catching on yet?

Huh?

When one trainer towers over the rest there's a very good chance he just has better drugs. I have never trusted that arrogant SOB. He's no better than Dutrow, but that's only my opinion.

Do the owners care? The way some of his two year olds run is enough to make you want throw in the towel. Seems to me nobody wants to confront this guy.

These types of flashes in the pan make very hot sire prospects...

Slow horses rarely break. Fast horses are the ones that run up to, and thus through, physiologic limits.

The scintigraphy should be able to show a hot spot other than where they already blistered the glut. Internal blisters are a double-edged sword, it makes people want to keep the horse in work when they should be healing. Here's an article about it with ultrasound pics (I'll try and find some scintigraphy pics) http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/ass...-LWalmsley.pdf

Here's a whole bunch of scintigraphy pics of horses w/various problems (the white is the "hot spot" that shows inflammation) P 354-370.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MQT...muscle&f=false

I met Pletcher at Saratoga last year between races on CCOA day. He was very cordial, took the time to speak with me, not the least bit arrogant. Class act. He gets the better horses to start with.

Who knew Penn National had such high quality racing?

Come on, horses break down at every class level. In some instances, they even break down during a routine gallop. "Speed" is not the only significant factor.

I didn't say it was. I was referring to mechanisms and physics of injury, and yes, the fast horses - especially young ones - are more prone to have injuries caused by their speed (which involves lever strength, bone maturity, etc) blowing through physiologic limitations (stress fracture origins, muscle tears, strain/sprain, etc).

Yes, all horses break down at all levels. There is a difference between cause the P2 fracture in the 5-year-old claimer at Penn and a catastrophic fractured sesamoid in a 2-year-old colt.

Overdriven, winner of the Grade 3 Sanford, will not race again this year due to bone re-modeling, according to trainer Todd Pletcher.
http://www.drf.com/news/saratoga-overdriven-done-year

Dr Riot why do you waste your time with Rollo, he wouldnt know a horse from donkey. He acts like he has actually touched a horse other then in a petting zoo?

If it wasn't for me, how else would we be audience to such a masterful display of back-pedaling? Any faster in reverse and something might have blown apart.

Physiologically, that is...

Excuse me? Your failure to be able to understand anything beyond the utterly simplistic, "all horses break down" isn't backpedaling on my part.

Here, for those other posters that would like to actually learn something about horses and the different types of injury they can get, and why "the good ones" so often seem to get injured:

I pointed out the well-known bone physiologic truth, " ... the fast horses - especially young ones - are more prone to have injuries caused by their speed (which involves lever strength, bone maturity, etc) blowing through physiologic limitations (stress fracture origins, muscle tears, strain/sprain, etc)."

Overdriven has exactly this type of "young, fast" horse injury: "Overdriven, winner of the Grade 3 Sanford, will not race again this year due to bone re-modeling, according to trainer Todd Pletcher. 'Basically, he has some changes to his cannon bones that were signs of immaturity,' Pletcher said. 'No fractures, no surgery necessary, we just decided we’d give him some time off and focus on Gulfstream.' "

Interesting. I say that any horse at any class level and any level of training is at risk to be injured and that is "utterly simplistic". A broad generalization, for sure, but certainly not a simplification.

And yet saying "gotta run the fastest to blow it apart" is apparently some sort of dense, scientific treatise.

Touche.

Oooh, great. Not only do we get the completely condescending preamble, but also hopefully a re-wording of your definitive mantra, put in layman's terms for us peons who can't wrap our heads around "gotta run the fastest to blow it apart".

So I guess we're in for a nice, verbose, boring lecture from some well-reputed and board-certified clinician who has all the answers to the issues and dilemmas that plague Thoroughbred trainers.

Let's all be silent and listen:

Wait. WTF? A quote from Todd Pletcher? He's the resource we need to consult to "learn" about the complex process (for some of us lesser folks, anyways) of racehorse injury?

Actually, you may be on to something there.

In fact, maybe you should have bolded the name "Todd Pletcher" instead of some of those other fancy buzzwords. That's probably a more important factor in predicting injury than anything that has to do with speed, bone density, and the like.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go download the Vet's List from all available racing jurisdictions. From what I've learned here, it's a better tool than the DRF or the Sheets for identifying the fastest horses.

Class dismissed!

Rollo, your brilliant treatise encompassing all that you know about equine orthopaedic medicine speaks for you:

And for those that don't want to stay as dense as Rollo about why "the good fast ones" seem to break - it's because they do. They have to, indeed, run fast to blow apart; and fast horses have different types of injuries than slower horses.

Even if Rollo can't strain his brain enough to believe a basic concept every veterinarian learned second year of vet school is true, and he is more worried about peeing on trees than admitting he's clueless about a basic racehorse veterinary truism, let alone learn something about horses and injury.

For example, one of many on this subject:

But maybe you'd better check the liver, Rollo. Of course, if you want to discuss bone-loading cycles or Wolff's Law, or what type of horse gets a butterfly fracture of the cannon versus a spiral fracture, speak up and add your brilliant knowledge regarding how and why horses get injured to the list. We are awaiting your instruction. Oh, wait - for you, that consists only of listening to the popular trainer rumors on blog sites. Brilliant!

Hilarious. Did you even read this abstract before you cut and pasted it?

The study was conducted on the premise that the Thoroughbred population is homogenous (ie, all racehorses are equal). No acknowledgment of the silly "fast" horse versus "slow" horse cowboy logic you're trying to purport. According to the study, the specifics of the variable training regimens employed by horsemen influenced the likelihood of injury.

[Insert back-pedal here]

Dr Riot, you are attempting to teach a peon about something way to advanced for his brain or lack there of. You are a vet he is maybe an assist pharmacist(guessing) who parades himself as a well meaning know it all.. He is baically like Matt Damon's character Will in Good will Hunting an abusived kid who reads alot of books. Effectively just a walking talking posting cut and paste machine that attempts to reverse engine what he thinks he understands.

You are a vet. He is the guy at OTB with some nutty theory that the government killed JFK or that men never walked on the moon. Who could take him seriously a drunk?

Steve, anyone... Has anybody heard a thing about him?

The last I can find was an NTRA CC where Mike Bellows asks about him Sept 28th 2011 - where TAP said, "He's doing exceptionally well and, you know, he's just getting some time off but he's down at (JJ Crupe)'s in Ocala and he reports that the horse looks fantastic and we expect to have him back joining our stable when we get down to Florida."


http://www.ntra.com/content/display/...-tele/NDg5NDA=

Pretty amazing that a horse that showed so much at the SPA can just fall off the radar like this...

last I heard they were shopping a stallion deal over at Spendrift with all the other laimos

FROM WELSCH'S PLETCHER 3YO OVERVIEW ON JAN. 7:

Overdriven, who is owned by Mike Repole, remains on the farm in Ocala and may not return to the track in time to get on the Kentucky Derby trail.

“I just didn’t like the way he was moving last summer so I sent him home,” said Pletcher. “It wasn’t anything serious, nothing surgical, just some minor stuff. He still needs 30 days more on the farm and we might be a little too far behind schedule to make the Triple Crown.”

Thnx Steve- don't know what to make of that explanation other than something 'big time' is off with him and he's probably done. Too bad.

I would expect Pletcher to have this horse ever right again he isnt exactly the king of rehab.

Nice that he talked to you but that does not make him a class act.

To me this particular TAP storyline is getting old. :rolleyes: If he were my trainer I would drive my horse trailer over to his barn, load my horses, and head for the hills.