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Danzig 08-14-2011 09:13 PM

obama ratings hit new low
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4207204.story

By Michael A. Memoli

August 14, 2011, 10:31 a.m.
President Obama's summer woes have dragged his approval rating to an all-time low, sinking below 40% for the first time in Gallup's daily tracking poll.

New data posted Sunday shows that 39% of Americans approve of Obama's job performance, while 54% disapprove. Both are the worst numbers of his presidency.

Obama's approval rating has hovered in the 40% range for much of 2011, peaking at 53% in the weeks following the death of Osama bin Laden.

But Americans' view of his job performance continued to tick downward as the debt-ceiling debate heated up. By the time he signed legislation averting a federal default, he was mired in the low-40% range.

Danzig 08-14-2011 09:19 PM

and while looking over the site, an article about obama and ideas for job creation:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3073365.story

By Peter Nicholas, Washington Bureau

August 14, 2011, 5:20 p.m.
Reporting from Washington— As he sets out on a three-day bus tour of the Midwest focused on the economy, President Obama is coming under growing pressure from fellow Democrats to put forward a more aggressive strategy to create jobs than the one he has been touting for months.

Obama has offered a jobs package crafted to win Republican support in a divided Congress. But he faces two distinct problems: Republicans say they won't vote for several pieces of the plan. And Democrats contend the program, even if enacted in full, would fall short of what's needed to boost job growth or revive Obama's political prospects.

White House advisors said the president's economic team was working on a new approach to jump-start the sluggish economy.

"You'll see more ideas," said Jason Furman, deputy director of the president's National Economic Council. "People here are constantly thinking about new ideas and the president is constantly talking about new ideas."

But Furman and other White House aides have declined to reveal a timetable, and many voters are clearly impatient. Polls show Obama receives poor grades for his handling of an economy that may be slipping back into recession. On Sunday, Gallup reported Obama's overall approval rating had fallen to 39% in its daily tracking, the worst in his presidency.

Coach Pants 08-14-2011 09:24 PM

"We're constantly thinking of stuff. We have meetings all of the time just brainstorming trying to come up with something to create jobs. We're working hard and whatnot. It's just our hands are tied, ya know? *jitters* *lights cig* Uh I gotta go. So busy! Working hard and stuff! *thumbs up*"

Danzig 08-14-2011 09:36 PM

i'm sure it doesn't help that obama's dream team of economists are all gone. only geithner, who isn't an economist, is left. and he backs cutting the deficit...gasp...he must be a closet tea party member.

but hey, as long as they're tossing around ideas. i feel more confident already.

DaTruth 08-14-2011 09:42 PM

Maybe President Obama will get lucky and the voters' attention will be directed to American foreign policy. :)

ateamstupid 08-14-2011 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 800352)
i'm sure it doesn't help that obama's dream team of economists are all gone. only geithner, who isn't an economist, is left. and he backs cutting the deficit...gasp...he must be a closet tea party member.

but hey, as long as they're tossing around ideas. i feel more confident already.

Everyone would like to cut the deficit. The backlash is against the idea that the deficit is the most crucial factor in whether or not the economy improves. It's a fabricated crisis.

Calzone Lord 08-15-2011 05:59 AM

His odds to win re-election have taken a hit as well.

He's now only a 7-to-10 favorite.

Romney (5.7-to-1 odds) is a slight 2nd choice over Perry.

Despite her Iowa Straw Poll win -- Bachman is 33-to-1 and a longer price than Ron Paul.

Danzig 08-15-2011 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800357)
Everyone would like to cut the deficit. The backlash is against the idea that the deficit is the most crucial factor in whether or not the economy improves. It's a fabricated crisis.

i don't think it's a fabricated crisis. i also don't think it should be our top priority. my biggest concern is that jobs are an issue, and many in our federal govt don't know the first thing about business. perhaps they should have discussions with businessmen, and try to get some ideas of how to get people out of their hesitation mode. it's like the movie jaws, when everyone was on the beach, waiting for someone to make the first move to get in the water. there's danger-but it seems that if some would start hiring, it would in turn generate more confidence, which would swing the economy in the right direction-and would be a positive snowball effect.

dellinger63 08-15-2011 08:53 AM

Well there may be no money to pay social security or our military but at least he's supporting the jailed Palestinian terrorists. :wf:zz:

Quote:

Every single Palestinian Authority terrorist held in an Israeli jail receives a monthly salary from the PA. Terrorists who committed the most heinous crimes – and therefore received longer sentences – receive the most money, according to a report in Israeli paper Yisrael Hayom.

The PA treasury receives cash from two main sources: the US pays about 50 percent of the money, and the rest is mostly from European Union member nations.

Since some of the victims of PA terror are American citizens, the information means that US taxpayers pay monthly salaries to the people who murdered their fellow citizens. The latest US citizen who was a victim of PA terror is Ben Yosef Livnat, who was gunned down in Shechem
.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...9#.TkjbZCxOIgE

joeydb 08-15-2011 09:39 AM

Maybe Axelrod will have them dig up bin Laden and shoot him again.

Antitrust32 08-15-2011 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800401)
Maybe Axelrod will have them dig up bin Laden and shoot him again.

no but the Obama administration is giving Sony (an obama contributor) top secret info about the Osama killing for the movie.. which will be released in October 2012.. right before next election.

there is no way that date is a coincidence and the administration should not be giving out top secret information. it's pathetic.

dellinger63 08-15-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 800419)
no but the Obama administration is giving Sony (an obama contributor) top secret info about the Osama killing for the movie.. which will be released in October 2012.. right before next election.

there is no way that date is a coincidence and the administration should not be giving out top secret information. it's pathetic.

The fact the families of the killed SEALS requested no photos at the return of the bodies and Obama had a guy take his and post it on the White House web page is equally pathetic.

Pakistan allowing China access to our downed stealth helicopter is dangerous. Apparantly Obama ,currently on his bus tour, skirting the western border of Wisconsin is too busy to give immediate attention to something so frivilous. But in the meantime at least we're still sending checks to our 'Paki friends'. :wf

kp319 08-15-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 800366)
His odds to win re-election have taken a hit as well.

He's now only a 7-to-10 favorite.

Romney (5.7-to-1 odds) is a slight 2nd choice over Perry.

Despite her Iowa Straw Poll win -- Bachman is 33-to-1 and a longer price than Ron Paul.

When the price is right jump on Obama. I think he will win easily.

GBBob 08-16-2011 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kp319 (Post 800497)
When the price is right jump on Obama. I think he will win easily.

If he's running against Perry or Bachman, he sure will. Still think Romney is his only realy threat.

Danzig 08-16-2011 06:08 AM

there is no way bachmann gets the nom. romney was as close to a lock for that as someone can be until perrry entered the race.

and if things continue as they are now, which i hope doesn't happen, then obama is in for a real battle.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-16-2011 07:28 AM

lower the cost of diesel fuel to 2.00 a gallon..then you will see job growth.

dino 08-16-2011 07:50 AM

How about none of the above. Obama is the worst of all time but none of these other Bozo's deserve to be president either.
Maybe Clyde should run. He seems to have all the answers and he's a real piece of **** like the rest of these politicians.

Coach Pants 08-16-2011 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 800541)
If he's running against Perry or Bachman, he sure will. Still think Romney is his only realy threat.

What month did you say the economy was going turn around? I can't remember. :D

GBBob 08-16-2011 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 800564)
What month did you say the economy was going turn around? I can't remember. :D

I don't have to specify a year, do I?

Coach Pants 08-16-2011 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 800568)
I don't have to specify a year, do I?

Hah. Obama is so terrible without a teleprompter. Dude probably smoked the chron daily in college.

kp319 08-16-2011 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 800541)
If he's running against Perry or Bachman, he sure will. Still think Romney is his only realy threat.

Romney.... Mormon and what has he accomplished in Mass? Bachman.. no way and Perry won't fly in the states that count.

dellinger63 08-16-2011 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kp319 (Post 800586)
Romney.... Mormon and what has he accomplished in Mass? .

So America will elect an African American but not a Mormon? :zz:

You do realize he's experienced success in the private sector as have a bunch of other Mormons.

Something the current President is missing and it shows!

my miss storm cat 08-16-2011 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800401)
Maybe Axelrod will have them dig up bin Laden and shoot him again.

I usually lurk here and go bang my head against the wall or scream or soemthing and keep my mouth shut.

Great line! :tro:

I really do wanna stay out of this but gotta say it once...

No way can Obama win again no matter what.

I think it'll end up being a Perry / Bachmann ticket and that they'll slaughter him.

Okay gonna tiptoe away now and let the big people continue fighting...:D

joeydb 08-16-2011 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 800595)
I usually lurk here and go bang my head against the wall or scream or soemthing and keep my mouth shut.

Great line! :tro:

I really do wanna stay out of this but gotta say it once...

No way can Obama win again no matter what.

I think it'll end up being a Perry / Bachmann ticket and that they'll slaughter him.

Okay gonna tiptoe away now and let the big people continue fighting...:D


Come on in - the water is fine! :D

Hey, I try to have fun here too, even though more often than not it gets heated, but this is a horse racing board and the politics are mostly for diversion and to sharpen debate skills.

I don't think it would be Perry. Too scary even for me as a lifetime Republican to have another Texas governor with similar inflection on his voice.

I think Romney/Bachmann or Bachmann/Paul at this point, but anything can happen, and it most certainly will be interesting.

ateamstupid 08-16-2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 800591)
So America will elect an African American but not a Mormon? :zz:

You do realize he's experienced success in the private sector as have a bunch of other Mormons.

Something the current President is missing and it shows!

He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.

my miss storm cat 08-16-2011 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800604)
Come on in - the water is fine! :D

Hey, I try to have fun here too, even though more often than not it gets heated, but this is a horse racing board and the politics are mostly for diversion and to sharpen debate skills.

I don't think it would be Perry. Too scary even for me as a lifetime Republican to have another Texas governor with similar inflection on his voice.

I think Romney/Bachmann or Bachmann/Paul at this point, but anything can happen, and it most certainly will be interesting.

I think Paul turned off a lot of people during the debate (Iran) but alas... I need to go see which horsies went swimming in Hong Kong and important stuff like that but I shall be lurking around down here, albeit quietly. :D

Carry on. :p

joeydb 08-16-2011 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800605)
He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.

Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.

ateamstupid 08-16-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800607)
Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.

I know this is hard for the corporate stooge party to understand, but the responsibilities of CEO and President of the United States aren't the same. Often (like now) they're diametrically opposed.

jms62 08-16-2011 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800607)
Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.

Yes the downsizing and outsource metality is kicking ass as a business strategy. Fire all your customers customers and scratch your ass wondering why no one is left to buy anything and your house is worth 1/2 of what it was 4 years ago. Then wonder why your stock portfolio is getting pounded. The solution cut more jobs. Can you say Death Sprial thats where we are and it seems fine by you 1980's republicans. Let me ask a question. Are you retired or Semi retired?

joeydb 08-16-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800608)
I know this is hard for the corporate stooge party to understand, but the responsibilities of CEO and President of the United States aren't the same. Often (like now) they're diametrically opposed.

OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.

joeydb 08-16-2011 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 800609)
Yes the downsizing and outsource metality is kicking ass as a business strategy. Fire all your customers customers and scratch your ass wondering why no one is left to buy anything and your house is worth 1/2 of what it was 4 years ago. Then wonder why your stock portfolio is getting pounded. The solution cut more jobs. Can you say Death Sprial thats where we are and it seems fine by you 1980's republicans. Let me ask a question. Are you retired or Semi retired?

What do you do when the profit is not enough to support the business? You cut expenses. Every accountant will tell you that.

I still work and I count my pennies too like the CEO's count those of the company. There isn't any unearned government check coming in for me. I have to get my budget right.

jms62 08-16-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800611)
OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.

And you know for certain that each company was facing bankruptcy? More likely scenario he wanted his 100 million in options to appreciate to 150 million and really could care less about the people he destroyed. Your thinking is flawed and right out of the early 80's. Profitable companies have been cutting employees for YEARS now so the upper crust could profit more not even giving 2 shits about the future when no one has any money to buy anything becuase they GOT THIERS. This unmitigated greed affects EVERYONE and EVERYONES children/grandchildren. AN economy can not sustain itself when 5% of the people have 90% of the wealth.

joeydb 08-16-2011 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 800606)
I think Paul turned off a lot of people during the debate (Iran) but alas... I need to go see which horsies went swimming in Hong Kong and important stuff like that but I shall be lurking around down here, albeit quietly. :D

Carry on. :p

I can see your point, and I agree re: Iran. I just thought that his platform and core beliefs from the last 30 years fit very well against our current crisis.

He would have fared better had he not said the Iran lines.

Happy stalking... :)

ateamstupid 08-16-2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800611)
OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.

Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.

joeydb 08-16-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800615)
Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to be overly ideological here. Open question: what would be the best profession to have in order to prepare oneself for the presidency?

Evidently, a community organizer/Harvard law professor is not the answer. And you point out the potential unsuitability of a CEO of a venture capital firm. And Congress is full of mostly lawyers of all stripes.

jms62 08-16-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800615)
Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.

They all have Ideas Team. Make it expensive for companies to outsource. Do away with H1B program. Charge tarrifs on Imports vs Trade Balance. They certainly know what to do but it is suicide for them to do it. Thier money supply would be cut off.

joeydb 08-16-2011 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 800613)
And you know for certain that each company was facing bankruptcy? More likely scenario he wanted his 100 million in options to appreciate to 150 million and really could care less about the people he destroyed. Your thinking is flawed and right out of the early 80's. Profitable companies have been cutting employees for YEARS now so the upper crust could profit more not even giving 2 shits about the future when no one has any money to buy anything becuase they GOT THIERS. This unmitigated greed affects EVERYONE and EVERYONES children/grandchildren. AN economy can not sustain itself when 5% of the people have 90% of the wealth.

I don't know that for a fact. It just seems logical that a company would seek to survive and thrive as well as possible for as long as possible. On the flipside, they have to make sure that their products, goods, and/or services remain competitively priced, or the company will decline. Unless you have either a monopoly or a company whose products are vastly superior (i.e. Rolls Royce) you have to run a company efficiently with solid profits. In a competitive environment, it's rare for a company to make astronomical profits.

So I don't think my reasoning was flawed - but I did make the above assumptions.

Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...ble-dip-scare/

dellinger63 08-16-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 800605)
He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.

To be honest I'm having a huge problem warming up to any GOP candidate. But certainly the fact Romney is mormon isn't a reason. It's hard for me to embrace his State's healthcare plan and the fact Mass is at or near the top of the list as far as debt goes. But I'd still vote for him over Obama.

Bachman is an idiot IMO and no way she gets my vote. I'll leave the vote for Pres. unpunched if she gets the nom.

Antitrust32 08-16-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800618)
I don't know that for a fact. It just seems logical that a company would seek to survive and thrive as well as possible for as long as possible. On the flipside, they have to make sure that their products, goods, and/or services remain competitively priced, or the company will decline. Unless you have either a monopoly or a company whose products are vastly superior (i.e. Rolls Royce) you have to run a company efficiently with solid profits. In a competitive environment, it's rare for a company to make astronomical profits.

So I don't think my reasoning was flawed - but I did make the above assumptions.

Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...ble-dip-scare/



There should be a flat tax with a cut off poverty line. If the top 5% control 70% of the wealth like they do now, they should be paying 70% of the taxes that the US collects.

Warren Buffet paid less of a percentage of income taxes than I did last year. That's ridiculous.

ateamstupid 08-16-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 800618)
Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.

"Buffett noted that his federal tax bill, including payroll taxes, came out to just 17.4 percent of his taxable income last year, a lower percentage than anyone else in his office."

Has Buffett just gamed the system? I'd like to know, because I see Republicans shouting all the time about how the rich are already paying a million percent, but it just makes no sense considering our tax revenues.


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