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Alan07 08-11-2011 05:20 PM

Why do they do this?
 
NYRA once again schedule last 3 races right on top of Del Mar. :mad:

MaTH716 08-11-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799507)
NYRA once again schedule last 3 races right on top of Del Mar. :mad:

If NYRA starts the card before Del Mar, how exactly are they starting the races on top of Del Mar, why isn't it the other way around?

pointman 08-11-2011 05:35 PM

Or did Del Mar schedule their 3 races on top of NYRA?

You realize that trying to hold off starting races around other racetracks is not as easy as you are implying it is, Hammerle has talked about this a number of times on Steve's show. Even if you try to do it unforseen delays can place races on top of one another.

This is another ludicrous complaint about nothing.

dagolfer33 08-11-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799507)
NYRA once again schedule last 3 races right on top of Del Mar. :mad:

.....I know!!!!!! It was really interfering with my Hoosier Park action too. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. Alan, why dont you go do it. Now, I know we might not hear from you for several weeks. We will all be waiting for your return.

TouchOfGrey 08-11-2011 06:06 PM

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This is another ludicrious complaint about nothing.
Same as it ever was...same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

PeteMugg 08-11-2011 06:36 PM

I'm guessing neither coast really gives a $hit about what the other is doing.

ateamstupid 08-11-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 799510)
If NYRA starts the card before Del Mar, how exactly are they starting the races on top of Del Mar, why isn't it the other way around?

Alan bombed on the logic part of the SAT.

pointman 08-11-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 799530)
Alan bombed on the logic part of the SAT.

:D
:tro:

Alan07 08-12-2011 06:13 PM

Saratoga takes way too long time between races. Why not just adopt the Belmont post times?

Travis Stone 08-12-2011 06:22 PM

The 10th race tomorrow will go off at 5:45 pm. The 10th race during Belmont's fall meet on an average Sat. last year went off at 5:47pm.

Alan07 08-12-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 799740)
The 10th race tomorrow will go off at 5:45 pm. The 10th race during Belmont's fall meet on an average Sat. last year went off at 5:47pm.

Just look at Sunday - 6:04pm.

Travis Stone 08-12-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799742)
Just look at Sunday - 6:04pm.

An extra minute per race... that's brutal. How we will ever deal?

Alan07 08-12-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 799743)
An extra minute per race... that's brutal. How we will ever deal?

No wonder why the featured race is often relegated to taped status on TVG.

Travis Stone 08-12-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799744)
No wonder why the featured race is often relegated to taped status on TVG.

I think they should move that last race to 6:03 pm and avoid the taped status? What do you think?

Alan07 08-12-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 799745)
I think they should move that last race to 6:03 pm and avoid the taped status? What do you think?

Move it to 5:50-5:52.

pointman 08-12-2011 06:55 PM

I think Alan should be appointed Horse Racing Post Time Czar where the tracks have no power to overrule his decisions as to what time any track can run a race.

Travis Stone 08-12-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799746)
Move it to 5:50-5:52.

What happened to your note about 10 race cards? I was writing a response?

NTamm1215 08-12-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799738)
Saratoga takes way too long time between races. Why not just adopt the Belmont post times?

Your incessant bitching is getting very, very old. Stay at Pace Advantage for a while.

Alan07 08-13-2011 02:29 PM

These are the post time they should use. But I assume for greed, they won't.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...-SAR-20110817D

ateamstupid 08-13-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 799765)
Your incessant bitching is getting very, very old. Stay at Pace Advantage for a while.

I'm pretty close to making an "Alan's complaints" thread and consolidating everything into there. It will probably be 400 pages long.

helicopter11 08-13-2011 03:55 PM

Why is the Sword Dancer scheduled the same day as the Arlington Million? Is this also hard to avoid scheduling simmilar grade 1 races on the same day?

OTM Al 08-14-2011 07:26 AM

Everything came into question after NYRA created the AIDS....

Danzig 08-14-2011 07:49 AM

good point about the sword dancer/arl million, only one of many times that similar races vie with each other for entrants and attention. it's too bad that racing still competes with itself, instead of working together to compete against other interests.

Cannon Shell 08-14-2011 07:57 AM

At the risk of being blasted (I'm bored, it is pouring...) Alan's laying the blame on NYRA kind of distracts from the issue of tracks running races at the same time which IMO something that is easily solved with a minimum of effort. Is it really hard for the simulcast coordinators at various tracks to communicate when posttimes are identical? While understanding that there are various factors that come into play, would it kill these people to ask to take a minute here and there to avoid two races at the premier tracks to go off at the same time?

Kasept 08-14-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 800103)
At the risk of being blasted (I'm bored, it is pouring...) Alan's laying the blame on NYRA kind of distracts from the issue of tracks running races at the same time which IMO something that is easily solved with a minimum of effort. Is it really hard for the simulcast coordinators at various tracks to communicate when posttimes are identical? While understanding that there are various factors that come into play, would it kill these people to ask to take a minute here and there to avoid two races at the premier tracks to go off at the same time?

Am sitting in the Jockey Club Round Table presentation -- it's intermission -- and earlier the technology department talked about the enhanced InCompass Post Time Coordinator system that apparently is well on its' way to being widely installed. Would like to have heard more about it, but it was dwarfed by the important phony posturing on anti-medication...

jms62 08-14-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 800116)
Am sitting in the Jockey Club Round Table presentation -- it's intermission -- and earlier the technology department talked about the enhanced InCompass Post Time Coordinator system that apparently is well on its' way to being widely installed. Would like to have heard more about it, but it was dwarfed by the important phony posturing on anti-medication...

That sounds great because with the current system it is hard for anyone to argue that Tracks are not leaving money on the table by running simultaneously at the big tracks. Especially Stakes and Graded Stakes.

Travis Stone 08-14-2011 10:17 AM

Not all tracks manage times. NYRA, for example, publishes their times and goes on with it unless there is some weather. With the premiere meet in the country, they can do as they see fit... their starting time is well known, their typical pattern is also well known and tracks should adjust accordingly.

When they released their times for this summer, there were at least 8 different sets to accomodate the big days, NBC/Versus, sunset, steeplechase etc. It took me forever, but I went day-by-day to move our races at LAD to avoid theirs as much as possible.

There are a series of tracks who pay absolutely no attention to them, or simply don't understand they make a difference, and many racetrack execs who refuse to believe they play a role. Joke's on them.

The times I put in our track program are nothing more than window dressing. Yesterday we ended 2 minutes beyond the published time... the day before we finished 11 minutes before. If we're 12 minutes behind Saratoga, and they have an inquiry (and it's not too hot), I'll ask the stewards to have the horses take a minute on the track.

It's a constantly evolving process. The "best" post time management by far comes from Tampa, who are okay with making drastic adjustments to find the optimal times. Their success is not a mistake.

Cannon Shell 08-14-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 800116)
Am sitting in the Jockey Club Round Table presentation -- it's intermission -- and earlier the technology department talked about the enhanced InCompass Post Time Coordinator system that apparently is well on its' way to being widely installed. Would like to have heard more about it, but it was dwarfed by the important phony posturing on anti-medication...

Listening online. Did they intentionally try to find morons to interview?

Kasept 08-14-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 800126)
Listening online. Did they intentionally try to find morons to interview?

Seems like it, yes. A lot of the McKinsey results so far are skewed and self-fulfilling. The TV info was the most relevant thing I've heard so far.

Danzig 08-14-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 800116)
Am sitting in the Jockey Club Round Table presentation -- it's intermission -- and earlier the technology department talked about the enhanced InCompass Post Time Coordinator system that apparently is well on its' way to being widely installed. Would like to have heard more about it, but it was dwarfed by the important phony posturing on anti-medication...

:tro:

Kasept 08-14-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 800118)
That sounds great because with the current system it is hard for anyone to argue that Tracks are not leaving money on the table by running simultaneously at the big tracks. Especially Stakes and Graded Stakes.

They seem more dedicated to making the system work for that reason. Estimated revenue capture of 6% alleviating overlap.

Coach Pants 08-14-2011 11:49 AM

Lasix prohibition! It should be illegal immediately and I have the faulty logic to prove it! All in favor say DERP!

zippyneedsawin 08-14-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 799744)
No wonder why the featured race is often relegated to taped status on TVG.

Or maybe TVG should show that race live rather than some crappy claimer at Del Mar.


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