Wisconsin recall elections today - huge turnout
 

Turnout estimated to be almost as high as national Presidential election 2008. From Politico:




The winners: Republicans hold 4 seats, Democrats take over 2 former GOP seats

State Senate - District 2
Cowles , Robert (i) GOP 27,543 60%
Nusbaum , Nancy Dem 18,039 40%

State Senate - District 8
Darling , Alberta (i) GOP 39,471 54%
Pasch , Sandra Dem 34,096 46%

State Senate - District 10
Harsdorf , Sheila (i) GOP 37,099 58%
Moore , Shelly Dem 27,250 42%

State Senate - District 14
Olsen , Luther (i) GOP 26,554 52%
Clark , Fred Dem 24,365 48%

State Senate - District 18
King , Jessica Dem 28,187 51%
Hopper , Randy (i) GOP 26,937 49%

State Senate - District 32
Shilling , Jennifer Dem 33,192 55%
Kapanke , Dan (i) GOP 26,724 45%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44085848/ns/us_news/

so much for that effort. 30 million spent on the recalls, and the end result maintains the republican majority. two dems up for recall votes. some in the state want to attempt to recall the governor, but they concede it'll be tough to maintain momentum in that regard, since they have to wait til november.

Now we'll see if the two Democrats are recalled on August 16.

it doesn't really matter if they get recalled. it would only be of interest if it was two republicans. there's no chance at this point of a change in majority, which was the point of the effort.

The People of Wisconsin have spoken. :tro: And before anyone gets confused this had nothing to do with private sector unions and everything to do with overpaid, overstaffed, over-benefitted public workers.

Now the governor can get back to work and all of the out-of-state union reps and their money can go back home.

Hopefully other states in similar financial trouble will follow the game plan.

Your enthusiasm for people losing their jobs is sickening. I don't give a f.uck if they're government employees. They're Americans and you're a stupid RINO loving c.unt.

:tro::tro::tro:

As Meat Loaf said "now don't be sad..cause two out of three ain't bad"

But I am going to miss all these Wisconsin threads....:rolleyes:

No one is losing their job. They're just going to have to kick in for their health insurance and pension. You know like the rest of America. And the only reason I do give a shiat about Gov employees is because I pay their salary.

When you grow up and start paying taxes maybe you'll feel the same.

Unless you're a multimillionaire and live in Wisconsin then your feigned outrage is just that.

I'm sick of you broke RINO lovers who think that having six figures in the bank and other investments puts you in the club with the elite.

You're not. All you are is an idiot who likes seeing people suffer because you have delusions of paying for their salary.

Take those pennies and shove them up your cavernous as.shole, b.itch.

Wisconsin people have spoken! Republican way the right way
 

So after 31 million has been spent on this recall election, what happens the republicans stay in control. It just goes to show you that the people agree with what walker is doing. He was elected to fix the mess that was left behind. Balance the budget, get rid of deficit and stop the train debacle. As for you people who think he cost people jobs, he hasn't hes just doing what it takes to fix the mess left by doyle. Too bad obama isn't paying attention he could learn from walker. Oh by the way by this time next week the republicans could gain 2 more seats. Hopefully now the protesters will leave our state so we don't have to investigate anymore ballon popping incidents! :rolleyes:

http://gazettextra.com/news/2011/aug...ate-elsewhere/

The good news!

This is even better !!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/...e.html?showall


Ror!!

Spin faster, spin faster, Republicans!
 

LOL - I'm sorry I was late to this party. I see the union-busters have already had their day in the sun. So let's put this in a different light without the desperate spin:

Six conservative long-time-Republican districts in Wisconsin were so infuriated with what their elected officials were doing, that they got enough signatures to hold recall elections of every eligible GOP candidate they had in office.

The Republicans, on the other hand, could only muster recall elections against three of the five Democrats eligible. One already won his election. Two more are coming up.

These conservative Republican districts then were so mad at what their Republican representatives were doing to their state, they kicked out two of their own Republican representatives, and replaced them with Democrats.

It's fun to try and spin this as a "Republican win" - for losing two of your staunchly GOP seats? To Democrats? In bright red conservative districts?

To put this in perspective, only 13 times in this nations history have voters elected to recall state officials.

Wisconsin now holds the record with 2 at once, and it was kicking GOP out of their own conservative districts, too.

These new Democrats in the Senate, along with the Republican Senator Schultz, who has started caucusing with the Democrats (as he's not a Walker pawn, he votes with his conscience) gives the Democrats equal sway with the Republicans, effecting requiring both parties to have a crossover vote to get anything passed.

Walker's agenda has been removed from the fast-track. He no longer holds an automatic majority. He's been rendered "bipartisan" if he wants anything to pass.

This is no "reinforcement" of Walker's agenda: these popular Republicans were not elected last fall. Quite the opposite - they were elected two years ago, and were popular in their districts. They have nothing to do with Walker, other than voting for Walker's ALEC-RGA-Koch agenda goals.

The third race with Darling was neck and neck for hours, with Republican Stooge Kathy the Clerk (she of the "oh, look I found 7,000 more votes for my man a day later) trying again to withhold revealing votes until tomorrow (today). That brought an immediate rain of charges of voter fraud and legal hassle down on her head - thus she let them go, although it wasn't until near or after midnight. The other candidate did lose by few percentage points.

Overall: Walker recall in January goes forward, with a very fired-up Wisconsin.

And Walker has some worries, because his recall won't be conservative districts kicking out Republicans. He has two massive Democratic strongholds he has to carry and outnumber.

Yesterday also had a recall election in NH, where a GOP was replaced by a Democratic.

So those in Michigan and Ohio, also with recalls under consideration, are very excited for the momentum.

As is the Democratic party going into 2012, where current polling shows they have a good change of retaking the House.

ROR !

The additional problem is that all of these Republicans, even the ones that one, performed far worse than their previous winners. The Republican brand is not strong nor as supported going forward.

If you are a polling geek, this is bad news for the Republican brand, to have lost so much cred so quickly.
Five of the six districts have markedly dropped in Republican support this recall election

Comparison of Republican/Democratic Margins, 2010 General vs. 2011 Recall

SD-02 2010 Gubernatorial:
Walker (R) +16.1%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +18.6%
2011 Recall: Cowles (R) +20.8%

SD-08
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +9.0%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +8.5%
2011 Recall: Darling (R) +7.3%

SD-10:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +18.4%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +16.9%
2011 Recall: Harsdorf (R) +15.3%

SD-14:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +16.5%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +16.3%
2011 Recall: Olsen (R) +4.3%

SD-18:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +15.7%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +19.0%
2011 Recall: King (D) +2.2%

SD-32:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +0.7%
2010 Senate: Feingold (D) +1.7%
2011 Recall: Shilling (D) +10.8%

Although you picked a fine target...little hypocritical of you, don't ya thank?



Your anger is so selective.

Sounds like a speech you'd give a t-ball team after they lost for the second time. I'll predict with the outside union influence defeated and gone from the State 2 of the 3 dem seats will go over to the GOP next week.

Glad you feel so good losing though. Good game! :D

One of the GOP Senators, Schultz, is against Walkers agenda (voted against the union busting bill) and tends to vote independently, and has been caucusing with Democrats.

So there is no automatic Republican majority any more :tro:

Oh, there will be plenty more, don't worry ;)

Spin, spin, spin. It's kinda desperate and sad.

Right now it's Democrats 3 Republicans 3, with 2 games to go, and both are skewed heavily Dem.

Dems already won their home game, and they just stole 2 of yours last night. Looks like it will be Dems 5 GOP 3 in the end.

Dell: there are only 2 Dem seats next week. And out of all the "outside influence", your girl Darling was the winner, setting a new state election record. The GOP outspent the Dems 2 to 1.

You do realize the union bill was signed into law almost six months ago?

At least if the recall of Walker goes foward we'll be assured that those who cast a vote will actually be that person or at least have a valid ID proving such.

Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

That's so funny how you try to spin it and justify it. You remember when Walker told the Unions, "I'm gonna bust you, because you need to contribute more". And the Unions immediately agreed to kick in more for their pensions and health care.

The unions agreed to 100% of Walkers budget requests, immediately.

And Walker busted them anyway.

Oh, Walker, that liar! Pushing his ALEC-Koch-RGA agenda of state law changes.

And that makes you nothing but a disingenuous Union-buster, too.

Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.

I'll bet you even think the poll numbers from this election, showing 5 of the 6 districts barely supporting Republicans any more, are good.

This wasn't a union busting bill, unions representing private sector workers are not a part of the law.

This was a law protecting the taxpayer from being extorted by public workers' unions. When you have unions paying to elect officials who then pay back unions with crazy one-sided contracts there is a problem. It was based on fiscal responsiblity not some imagined 'hate' the Governor has for public workers. He was simply fixing a wrong and looking out for the taxpayers of the great State of WI first!

You realize there was more of an incentive for Dems to go out and vote? Then again you live in KY so you know more than the people in WI do.

PS your recall failed but glad you feel it was a win.

Dems: held 1 seat
Dems: gained 2 seats
Dems: will hold 2 seats next week

Reps: lost 2 seat in red districts, barely held 2 seats, held 2 seats

Walker: recalled in January.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party is pretty happy that that the GOP is declaring a win here (for losing two always-Republican seats to Dems?! Okay ... ) because that shows how easy it will be to continue on with the Walker recall. They are very excited.

I grew up and lived in northern Illinois, went to Wisconsin alot, have family land and interests and contacts in Wisconsin. I like it alot.

Walker wont be recalled. You can book it.

I do think alot of driving is flaring anger, that will be gone in January, so there will be an uphill fight. The downside is GOP districts are less GOP, the current national GOP party isn't well-liked versus Dems, and Walker has to hold the large urban Democratic areas. These recalls were in very reliably conservative areas for the GOP. The electorate may be burnt out on elections. So we'll see.

First Kapanke lost in a highly Democratic area that has always been supported by Democrats. Hopper didn't lose by much and his original election with King was close in 2008 so yeah huge win for the dems!

These recall elections and the Kloppenberg vs Prosser elections were at the height of the democratic support. You have no idea the amount of out of state people that have been here and the ridiculous amount of money that was spent for the dems. The fact is when the Dems were playing their best ballgame they fell short. Once the teachers, the public union workers and the tax payers of this state realize what is happening isn't really bad and it is actually working the dems are done in this state. They rushed this thru as fast as they could (before people realize the repair bill will be a good thing and before they get their property tax bill in Dec) playing as many games as possible and they lost. Dems most likely will lose one more seat next week so net gain is one seat if that happens. $30+ million for 1 seat. I guess you can call it a win. Keep spending money in our state we could use the revenue.

Yes, that's the Republican take on it. And actually yes, I have a good idea of the money spent, it's publicly listed and I've been paying attention. Even donated to the recall cause.

Just remember the current Walker mantra, "We cut the budget, and created jobs!" (except when you actually look at the math)

good, but not exactly what the dems were after. they didn't get the majority they so desperately wanted.

awww.....missed it by that much!:p

not quite the roi they were looking for i'm sure. odd isn't it, so many outraged-yet the vote doesn't change the status quo? wonder why that could be?


perhaps part of it is the recognition that asking state employees to do a bit more is just part of the overall effort that needs to be made by everyone? things have changed, people must as well. things cannot continue as they have.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ike-tate-says/

so nice that you stay consistent in judging people without knowing the facts

She should sue his "pants on fire" butt off!

That's not what I said or was referring to, rocket scientist.

I said: Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

As I said, and as anybody who was paying half-assed attention to the election Tuesday night would realize, was
I was referring to when, Tuesday night, she announced she would not be releasing the rest of the vote totals until Wednesday morning in Darling's district. The cry was overwhelming, and she changed her mind.

That has nothing to do with what Tate said. I stand behind what I say. I should not need to defend myself from nonsensical pretend crap you make up in your imagination. So don't whine about my "facts" when you aren't even talking about the same thing.

you stated she deliberately was trying to hold out the votes (by the way she was on the news during the election talking about what was going on and what was posted and when) and you called her a cheat. I am sure you have made mistakes during your professional career would you want to be judged the way she has been by the liberals, the media etc. Yes she made a mistake in the Prosser election. People make mistakes. That doesn't mean she deliberately did it nor does it make her a cheat which both you have suggested. Kind of like your judgment of David Prosser:rolleyes:

Yes, I just quoted what I actually said. Which has nothing at all to do with the nonsensical crap you attempted to pretend I said. As I said, you don't whine about my "facts" when you aren't even talking about the same thing.

And as far as Judge David Prosser goes, I've seen him be a misogynistic j***azz, and a plain j***azz, on video. No "rush to judgment" there, just what he is for all to visibly see. He's also in deep trouble. Special prosecutor just requested. He's toast.