Randy Moss - He's done enough
 

I can't believe teams ignored the dazzling blocking skills he displayed in Tennessee last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkEwFUMTATk

Chris Carter today:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6824245

Moss was in Cleveland today meeting with Holmgren...

Chris said talent wise, he was the best receiver he's ever seen. Said when he had his mind and body right and wanted to do something, there's been no other receiver that could do what Randy could do on a football field. I agree with him.

hahaha

:tro: Fuggin' classic Coach

The young Moss was an athletic sensation -- more so than any other player I've ever seen in the NFL by far.



* Speed (as fast as anyone)

* Size (6'5" with an incredible wing-span)

* Body control (best I've ever seen - it made his "strike-zone" huge)



* Hands (Incredible hands. T. O. drops routine short passes - when Moss dropped anything it was almost always from worrying about getting hit)

* Leaping ability

* Endurance (Most guys would be gassed by the 2nd quarter from all the deep vertical routes he ran)


Sure - he didn't have the body type to work underneath and go over the middle ... but he would draw more double teams near the goal-line than any WR in history - and he almost certainly drew more 40+ yard pass interference calls than any wideout ever .. and you don't see those on his stat sheets.

Too bad he wasn't a team player or a winner. Those intangibles matter.





Jerry Rice > Randy Moss

OOOOOOOOOO




Paul Warfield >est.

So he catches a TD to put his team up in the Super Bowl but because of a miraculous play between Manning and Tyree and a blown coverage by the db that allowed Burress to score and beat them, that's the difference between him having a ring and being a winner and not and being a loser?

A winner always gives his best even when things aren't going his way.


A loser gives his best when things are going his way;and quits when they are not going...said way.

Yes it's called karma.

This is very true. I just think that too often in team sports, people are labeled as winners or losers based on championships won when so many factors that are beyond their control play a large part in whether they win or not. As I mentioned with Moss, without that miracle pass to Tyree, Moss has a ring now. Did Kevin Garnett suddenly become a winner when he won or did he become better? Dirk Nowitzki is not better now than he has been and he wasn't a loser before. Is Alex Rodriguez a winner now? Trent Dilfer is a winner and Dan Marino a loser?

I do follow you on this title/no title business.


Pants need his head examined on that issue he always tries to sneak through.

The "ring" stuff is nonsense in football.

I understand why they try and use it for the quarterback. The quarterback touches the ball every offensive snap - and has a chance to audible pre-snap based on defensive looks.

the game is 40% offense, 40% defense, and 20% special teams...and with 11 friggen people on the field at all times.

In basketball - you have the same five guys going both ways - it's the only team sport where "ring" means anything.

In individual sports - championships are everything.

He was a colossal loser/f.ucktard with talent. His talent made him special and he squandered it because he has NOTHING upstairs.

A quitting ret.arded country bumpkin.

Much better.

One look at his career numbers and ranks all-time among receivers and it's impossible to say he squandered his talent. No sane person would leave him out of the top five receivers in the history of the game. Most would probably list him top three. If that's squandered talent, everyone should try to waste their abilities as well.

I can understand not caring for him personally or not respecting his work ethic. But there can be no questioning his production.

Before he ever took an NFL snap - Moss was a personal hero of mine.

His 4-TD 200+ yard performance in the 1-AA National Championship game as a Freshman was like the greatest thing I'd ever seen - I watched it on ESPN as a wanna-be high school reciever.

This interview and feature that SI did on Moss before his Sophomore season of college had started was one of my favorite pieces ever written.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...0673/index.htm


He is my Muhammed Ali.

Keep pushing the statistics and overlooking the intangibles. It's why you're a clueless f.ucktard.

Ok.

He had all the intangibles, Coach.

His work ethic and effort was second to none.

A good buddy of mine played for Delaware and got to miss him (badly) twice on the same play, he was described as a super human.

We're going to disagree on this one. It's understandable because he's your guy and all...

but intangibles in sports tend to fall on the mental side of things and he was severely lacking in leadership and maturity.

Glad to see you back down to earth on this.....I agree , staunchly.Much like Terrell Owens.

Owens was a roid guy who would turn on his own teammates.

Moss had one of the most natural builds in football and was loved by virtually every teammate he ever had.

Much like Owens in that he played when he felt like playing...and when he didn't, then he didn't.

Owens is/was a grinder. I don't think anyone ever accused him of that. He even played his ass off for the sorry ass Bengals last year when they'd be down 20 points.

Owens was a pure juicer and a lame fucl<ing idiot. He's the only guy capable of making that fag Garcia and McScabb look like sympathetic figures. And than he goes and cries and weeps for Tony Romo.

You then know a different Owens than I recall.

He was a bitch. Refused to play for Baltimore. Blamed everyone else everytime his team lost. If he wasn't playing well he'd have sideline meltdowns.

Behaved like a typical unfiltered jackass with a case of roid rage.

That's what I mean...that's the rough parallel to Moss' mindset.

I quit, by the way.

Even David Boston thinks he's juiced....

I guess Mr.Toxic would know.