First Federal Appeals Court upholds Healthcare law
 

Good.

The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that the individual mandate provision in the Affordable Care Act is constitutional, marking the first time a federal appellate court has ruled on the law's constitutionality.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Washingt...h/Reform/27356

Not just Good; IT'S GREAT!!!

Have you any clue what the track record is of the 6th Circuit being overturned by the Supreme Court? LMAO

http://news.lawreader.com/?p=3452

Well, Sutton is very conservative, and Martin is very liberal, yet they both agree. We know it will get to the Supreme Court. So we'll see.

I just think the 6th Circuit's 0-15 record for the past 15 decisions gives us a hint that this court's opinions are meaningless and wonder why their is still a 6th Circuit? Also wonder about the decisions that were appealed to the SC and were refused?

Why are you fighting so hard against uninsured people being able to purchase insurance? And insurance companies not being able to deny their paid clients coverage?

The PPACA has only given you benefits you have already reaped, it doesn't cost you any more, you have nothing to lose, you don't have to change your insurance, you've already gained benefits, it will help your fellow Americans.

Try to justify for me again why you think this is worth fighting against? Is it because you want to go back to children with cancer being denied lifetime care? You want kids 18-26 to be uninsured again, and take their current insurance away? You want people to go back to using emergency rooms for intermittent health care when they get ill enough, rather than having insurance and using a primary care physician? You want the 18 million who have purchased insurance since the PPACA went into effect to have to give that up?

This law is already in effect. Tell us how you have suffered at it's hands, how it's been a terrible thing for the country, and why we should overturn it and harm our fellow citizens and cost us billions.

I have no problem with what you mentioned above. I do have a problem with the government forcing a citizen to purchase a private product. In a much bigger picture I'm not fond of any force by the government unless it's used to kill an enemy. Government budding into private business especially something so valuable as healthcare is NEVER a good idea ;)

I'm also all for individuals purchasing health insurance and forcing insurance companies to stand by their policy. I'm against forcing others to subsidize the purchase just as I'm against applicants who 'fib' when applying for coverage and are later denied treatment. We agree!

the law is barely in effect. that is a misrepresentation. a tiny part of the law in in effect now... most of it doesnt start for a couple years.

and its been bad for me already.


nobody is arguing the lifetime benefits, more people insured, no exclusion thing.


the problem is the other 2000 pages of the bill. including forcing people to buy a product, and the fact that the dems didnt even attempt to do tort reform (real insurance reform) because the lawyers are in the dems pockets.

Most of the provisions that affect everybody are already in effect, the vast remainder of what is left is employer and tax provisions.

Because your boss lied to you and blamed the PPACA for increasing your insurance policy cost at work? See your first comment, above ;)

A very conservative judge who clerked for Scalia just agreed there's nothing wrong with it.

Wrong. There indeed is some "tort reform" in there.

this is so false I dont even know where to go with it.

what does my boss have anything to do with it?

she has the same exact crappy plan as I do. infact all 8000 of us do.

because of the PPACA, United health care got rid of two of the three options, leaving us all with a extremely high deductable policy. because of the stupid cadillac tax, apparently Obama does not want anyone to have good health insurance policies.

who are you to accuse my boss of lying when you have absolutely no idea about what you are talking about?

an extremely minimal amount of tort reform.

just admit it, the dems failed us with this law. they could have accomplished actual health care reform... instead they created a ton of government agency's and decreased benefits for the working class.

what a wonderful trillion dollar bill.

:tro::tro:

The importance of everyone receiving some care now trumps the quality or cost of care. It's the Obama/socialistic way. Maybe he can add a provision that those who pay anothers subsidy are also responsible for providing transportation and if needed babysitting and pet sitting services while they visit the doctor. :zz:

What part of the PPACA "caused" United Health Care to get rid of options?

It's nice to blame the PPACA for UHC taking a last huge profit grab.

But there is nothing in the PPACA that forced that. Not one thing. What is false is them blaming the PPACA.

I mentioned your boss as I thought you said previously, when you talked about your employee health insurance increasing, that your boss had told you the rising costs were due to the PPACA.

That's just complete false bullshiat. The PPACA has over 5 billion in Medicare cost savings from waste elimination (that helps pay for the PPACA), and changes payment to doctors to emphasize outcomes not just coded service clicks.

Bull.

You think reducing bedsores, a key component of the "savings" is going to save 1/2 Billion?

You think screening Medicare claims and providers is going to save 1/2 Billion? You think they aren't screened now?

You think setting up the ACO to study ways to save money will lower costs by 1/2 Billion?

Maybe you do.

FACT is, every politician since Johnson has campaigned saying they can pull savings from Medicare. Did you believe them?

Pay attention. What I said was "completely false bullshiat" was Dell saying that "The importance of everyone receiving some care now trumps the quality or cost of care. It's the Obama/socialistic way.:"

Nonsensical crap. You think that's bull? You called it bull. So explain why the quality of care has gone down due to the PPACA and deliberately been sacrified for quantity.

Now: you want to talk about the validity of Medicare savings within the PPACA, I'll point to closing the donut hole, the provisions rewarding doctors for results rather than visits, and yeah, the review of duplication of treatment.

You can maintain those provisions will fail, I will maintain that they will hopefully work, and we'll have to wait for the verifiable result, one way or the other, to see.

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It's nice to blame the PPACA for UHC taking a last huge profit grab.

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Bullshit

You no doubt think Health Insurance is some wildly profitable business and have drank the anti-insurance company bullshit of the past 20 years.

Tell us all your answer to this question:

If health insurance is so profitable, why do so few insurers even underwrite health?

What is your answer to this?

Where is Metropolitan? Where is Prudential? Where is Allstate? Where is Hartford? Where is Travelers? Where is Liberty? Chubb?

The answer is they used to be in health insurance. Now they are not. They all have left during the past 20 years.

Do you think they left because they got tired of "grabbing huge profits," as you say?

Bullshit.

The only thing you can possibly twist into calling tort reform in the bill is giving $50,000,000.00 of Federal tax money to the states to study and offer alternatives to current tort law at the state level.

That is "Tort Reform?"

No, that is giving states 1/20 of a Billion dollars to study **** we already know.

When they elevate premiums 20% a year, and decline to honor their part of their contract with their insured in order to save money, yup, they run some nice profit margins.

Yeah, and Anti's boss blamed the PPACA for their company insurance costs rising. LOL.

The PPACA is mostly consumer protections. Why? Because they are needed. Interestingly, stock in insurance companies rose when the PPACA became law.

The health business is about 20% of our economy. That's absurd. It costs more to provide healthcare, per person, in the United States than in other first world countries, and we do not have the same quality of outcomes, nor do we have the same general population health, and we have the most uninsured and unseen by the healthcare system citizens of any other first world country. Yeah, the PPACA is a good start. What we need in this country is to offer a single payer opportunity. Offer Medicare buy in to anybody, of any age, who wants in. If the insurance companies can compete in an open market, they are welcome to.

Bullshit.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Closing the Donut Hole is not a cost Savings. It is an cost Expenditure. It is ludicrous to call it anything else.

There is nothing inherently wrong in saying it is good for seniors to get more $$ transfered their way through higher Medicare PD reimbursement.

It is, however, a blantant falsehood to call it a Medicare cost savings.

On to the High Court of Trained Seals.

More bullshit.

You laughingly deflected away from answering why all the insurers I listed left the Health insurance market.

No snappy transition for you there, I guess.

Do coyotes (or whatever you may be) find seals tasty?

I'm a Black Wolf you dumb ass.




And we do not chew our prey.....we merely kill it and move on.

Of course you realize that, as insurance laws vary state by state, there is zero way to implement "tort reform" on a federal level. So it has to be on an individual state level.

You also realize that the Republican position supporting "tort reform" as an alternative to the PPACA was to do so state by state.

So the PPACA actually giving the Republicans a good start on state by state tort reform is exactly what the opponents to the PPACA where whining for. They got what they wanted. A start on tort reform state by state, which they maintain will lower health insurance costs

I'll just refer you to the profit margins of the companies left that I listed. "The six largest investor-owned health insurance companies saw a 22 percent increase in combined net income in the third quarter, putting them on pace to break profit records for 2010." Hey, capitalism is good, Paulo. If crappy companies couldn't compete, they deserve to be gone. Don't lament it. It's the free market.

And closing the donut hole saves money because people then can afford to purchase and take their medications - for diabetes, their heart problems, high blood pressure, etc - which decreases the cost of their lifetime health care. So it's an expenditure that pays bigger savings dividends in both health costs and better health. Like people having health insurance and being seen at the start of problems is better than not treating them until they end up in crisis in an emergency room.

Stealing from grandma? To insure who?

It's sad to see you deliberately lie and misrepresent facts we all know you are awares of, just in order to demagogue your political position. But frankly, that is the simultaneous attraction and repellent to Libertarianism (for example, listening to Ron Paul talk). It sounds so good, you really agree with it, until you suddenly turn a corner and get to the crazy, whacky part that has no resemblance to real life and is impossible in reality.

Have a good Fourth weekend. Don't go through Minnesota.

Ok.

So, you don't always eat. But when you do, you prefer .... _______ (?)

Hershey bars.

If there is $5 billion in Medicaid waste why wasn't it eliminated last and this year?

BTW The Fourth is my favorite holiday. If on the Lake the night of the third you can see, Lake Geneva, Fontana, Linn, Lyons, Williams Bay and Lake Como shows all at the same time. One huge carbon contribution to the world and all are paid for privately by business/resorts and personal donations. It's the WI way!

The shows together don't equal what's coming up in a few weeks when Dreyfuss holds his annual b-day party though.

Have a good fourth yourself and remember no Johnsonville Brats or Miller for libs.

It's ok.

what you really should do to save time is to admit that you believe every bullshit line fed to you by the news and by politicians of either party. That you believe the b.s that the legislation will save Medicare money and ignore the results of Medicare legislation of the last 30 years.

This would be the right and honorable thing to do but it's better for you to proclaim yourself an expert and lie your head off.

What a blockhead you are.

again, you come through with lies.

UHC is doing it because the cadillac tax. end of story

Well, you still have decent teeth.

You must be on riot's dental plan.

Don't worry, Alex Jones will save you all.

Don't worry...Al Sharpton will save you all.

Huge fan.

The real Don Steele:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYrVwGxlcFA

Seriously? This is what you are? Someone gives some facts that refute one of your contentions, and your ridiculous whiny baby response is to proclaim they are not "right and honorable", falsely accuse them of "proclaiming yourself an expert", and then you accuse them of lying? And you call them names?

Do you want to be taken seriously?
Or do you want to be treated how you act?
Pick one.

You are right about the lake - perfect. Going home early tomorrow, will be on the brother's boat on the lake off Buckingham Fountain tomorrow night, can't wait to eat Chicago food again! Love me some brats!