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Riot 06-28-2011 10:07 PM

Michelle Bachmann
 
Hey, she at least deserves her own thread, for the remaining few weeks of her political campaign for President.

You know all that government money her family farm took? The government money her husbands clinic took for employee training? That she lied about and denied?

Guess what, NBC is reporting tonight there is even more:

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By Michael Isikoff
National investigative correspondent
NBC News

While Rep. Michelle Bachmann, R-Minn., has forcefully denounced the Medicaid program for swelling the "welfare rolls," the mental health clinic run by her husband has been collecting annual Medicaid payments totaling over $137,000 for the treatment of patients since 2005, according to new figures obtained by NBC News.

A health clinic run by the husband of presidential candidate Michelle Bachmann has been collecting annual Medicaid payments totaling over $137,000 since 2005, according to new figures obtained by NBC News.

The previously unreported payments are on top of the $24,000 in federal and state funds that Bachmann & Associates, the clinic founded by Marcus Bachmann, a clinical therapist, received in recent years under a state grant to train its employees, state records show. The figures were provided to NBC News in response to a Freedom of Information request.

The clinic, based in Lake Elmo, Minn., describes itself on its website as offering "quality Christian counseling" for a large number of mental health problems ranging from "anger management" to addictions and eating disorders.

The $161,000 in payments from the Minnesota Department of Human Services to her husband's clinic appear to contradict some of Michelle Bachmann's public accounts this week when she was first asked about the extent to which her family has benefited from government aid. Contacted this afternoon, Alice Stewart, a spokeswoman for Bachmann, said the congresswoman was doing campaign events and was not immediately available for comment.

Questions about the Bachmann family's receipt of government funds arose this week after a Los Angeles Times story reported that a family farm in which Michelle Bachmann is a partner had received nearly $260,000 in federal farm subsidies.

More to the story at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43570552...decision_2012/

Danzig 07-12-2011 08:08 AM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...iowa-poll.html

A clinic owned by GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, is being accused of telling homosexuals that they can "pray away the gay."

Andrew Ramirez was a patient at Bachmann & Associates, a Christian counseling clinic in Lake Elmo, Minn., in 2004. He claims he was told by one of the clinic's counselors that if he read the Bible and prayed to God, he "would no longer be gay," according to ABC News.

Ramirez told the Nation that the therapist tried to "cure" him of his homosexuality. “He basically said being gay was not an acceptable lifestyle in God’s eyes,” and offered the assistance of an ex-lesbian as a mentor, Ramirez said.

Undercover video at Bachmann's clinic taped by gay rights advocates reportedly showing therapists engaged in treatment similar to what Ramirez claims will be shown on "Nightline" on Monday, ABC says.

Bachmann is no stranger to anti-gay rhetoric. Her strategist-husband last year said homosexuals were barbarians who needed to be disciplined.

"We have to understand: Barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined. Just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn’t mean that we are supposed to go down that road. That’s what is called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings from moving into the action steps," Marcus Bachmann said as a guest on the Christian-based "Point of View" radio talk show on May 12, 2010.

Danzig 07-12-2011 08:13 AM

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...tatements.html


interesting that she acknowledges she can get things wrong, but refuses to recognize when that happens.
i agree with one of the people who commented-can't they get a woman to run for pres that's knowledgable, not just pretty?

somerfrost 07-12-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790419)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...tatements.html


interesting that she acknowledges she can get things wrong, but refuses to recognize when that happens.
i agree with one of the people who commented-can't they get a woman to run for pres that's knowledgable, not just pretty?

I think many of us said that once she enters the race, the public scrutiny of her radical beliefs would expose her for what she is...a mean spirited, homophobic, far right wing nut. Obviously we can add hypocrite to that. She has appeal to folks who think the way she does and unfortunately there are quite a few but the Republican Party will soundly reject her.

joeydb 07-12-2011 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790419)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...tatements.html


interesting that she acknowledges she can get things wrong, but refuses to recognize when that happens.
i agree with one of the people who commented-can't they get a woman to run for pres that's knowledgable, not just pretty?

No doubt that she is pretty. You need that in the age of TV. Nobody wants look at someone grotesque. But yeah, of course you have to be knowledgeable too. It will be easier for people to advise her and evolve her platform than it would be to get better looking.


dino 07-12-2011 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 790422)
I think many of us said that once she enters the race, the public scrutiny of her radical beliefs would expose her for what she is...a mean spirited, homophobic, far right wing nut. Obviously we can add hypocrite to that. She has appeal to folks who think the way she does and unfortunately there are quite a few but the Republican Party will soundly reject her.


Radical beliefs? We have a racist socialist FAR left winger in office and you are complaining about her. I wouldn't vote for her because if there is one thing our current Bozo has proven to me is we need someone that has experience running a business or at least a state.

GBBob 07-12-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 790431)
Radical beliefs? We have a racist socialist FAR left winger in office and you are complaining about her. I wouldn't vote for her because if there is one thing our current Bozo has proven to me is we need someone that has experience running a business or at least a state.

Our current President is FAR from being a FAR left winger.

dino 07-12-2011 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 790437)
Our current President is FAR from being a FAR left winger.

Quit goofing around:)

GBBob 07-12-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 790460)
Quit goofing around:)

He is far from far left on social issues..Gay right, gun control, immigration, DADT..

Antitrust32 07-12-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790427)
No doubt that she is pretty. You need that in the age of TV. Nobody wants look at someone grotesque. But yeah, of course you have to be knowledgeable too. It will be easier for people to advise her and evolve her platform than it would be to get better looking.


she's repulsive.


I wouldnt touch her with a ten foot poll.

palin, on the other hand... ;)

Danzig 07-12-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790427)
No doubt that she is pretty. You need that in the age of TV. Nobody wants look at someone grotesque. But yeah, of course you have to be knowledgeable too. It will be easier for people to advise her and evolve her platform than it would be to get better looking.




i dont care what the president of the us looks like. that has nothing to do with being qualified at all. what a preposterous statement.

Danzig 07-12-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 790431)
Radical beliefs? We have a racist socialist FAR left winger in office and you are complaining about her. I wouldn't vote for her because if there is one thing our current Bozo has proven to me is we need someone that has experience running a business or at least a state.

lol
far left?
obama has done as other dem presidents before hime-move to the middle. his continuation of many bush policies also indicates he's far from left wing. his first two years in office left many dems very unhappy with him, and his lack of true change-which is what he ran on.
when you attempt to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one. i don't think many are happy with him at all-but many still think he's better than an alternative.

Danzig 07-12-2011 10:00 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._Homosexuality


oh.
boy.

Danzig 07-12-2011 10:04 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...iage-pact.html

Michele Bachmann, the Republican presidential candidate, signed a Christian conservative pledge that stated that African American children were more likely to grow up in stable families during the era of slavery than under President Barack Obama.

The controversial linkage of slavery to family values was made in the preamble to a pro-traditional marriage pledge given to White House contenders by The Family Value, a group in the first-voting state of Iowa, where Mrs Bachmann is the joint Republican front runner.

"Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," the opening statement introducing the pledge read.

Danzig 07-12-2011 10:06 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...y-war-20110622


Michele Bachmann's Holy WarThe Tea Party contender may seem like a goofball, but be warned: Her presidential campaign is no laughing matter


By Matt Taibbi
June 22, 2011 8:00 AM ET
Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and, as you consider the career and future presidential prospects of an incredible American phenomenon named Michele Bachmann, do one more thing. Don't laugh.

It may be the hardest thing you ever do, for Michele Bachmann is almost certainly the funniest thing that has ever happened to American presidential politics. Fans of obscure 1970s television may remember a short-lived children's show called Far Out Space Nuts, in which a pair of dimwitted NASA repairmen, one of whom is played by Bob (Gilligan) Denver, accidentally send themselves into space by pressing "launch" instead of "lunch" inside a capsule they were fixing at Cape Canaveral. This plot device roughly approximates the political and cultural mechanism that is sending Michele Bachmann hurtling in the direction of the Oval Office.

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."




further down:

Regent was unabashed in its desire that its graduates enter government and become "change agents" who would help bring the law more in line with "eternal principles of justice," i.e., biblical morality. To that end, Bachmann was mentored by a crackpot Christian extremist professor named John Eidsmoe, a frequent contributor to John Birch Society publications who once opined that he could imagine Jesus carrying an M16 and who spent considerable space in one of his books musing about the feasibility of criminalizing blasphemy.

dino 07-12-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 790468)
she's repulsive.


I wouldnt touch her with a ten foot poll.

palin, on the other hand... ;)

If she's repulsive then I'll take repulsive all day.

dino 07-12-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790476)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...y-war-20110622


Michele Bachmann's Holy WarThe Tea Party contender may seem like a goofball, but be warned: Her presidential campaign is no laughing matter


By Matt Taibbi
June 22, 2011 8:00 AM ET
Close your eyes, take a deep breath, and, as you consider the career and future presidential prospects of an incredible American phenomenon named Michele Bachmann, do one more thing. Don't laugh.

It may be the hardest thing you ever do, for Michele Bachmann is almost certainly the funniest thing that has ever happened to American presidential politics. Fans of obscure 1970s television may remember a short-lived children's show called Far Out Space Nuts, in which a pair of dimwitted NASA repairmen, one of whom is played by Bob (Gilligan) Denver, accidentally send themselves into space by pressing "launch" instead of "lunch" inside a capsule they were fixing at Cape Canaveral. This plot device roughly approximates the political and cultural mechanism that is sending Michele Bachmann hurtling in the direction of the Oval Office.

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."




further down:

Regent was unabashed in its desire that its graduates enter government and become "change agents" who would help bring the law more in line with "eternal principles of justice," i.e., biblical morality. To that end, Bachmann was mentored by a crackpot Christian extremist professor named John Eidsmoe, a frequent contributor to John Birch Society publications who once opined that he could imagine Jesus carrying an M16 and who spent considerable space in one of his books musing about the feasibility of criminalizing blasphemy.

Anybody want to make a wager on if Mark Taibbi is a Left Wing Liberal who highly endorsed that scumbag we have in office now. I'll bet he is.
Too bad Bachman isn't black because bozo's like this wouldn't have the balls to say anything bad about a black woman.

Dahoss 07-12-2011 12:03 PM

This woman is scary. Takes direct orders from God.

I still get a laugh out of her making up the stuff about Obama's trip to India and how quick those enlightened conservatives were to believe every word she said.

Hopefully the right can find a better candidate than this, the American people deserve that much.

somerfrost 07-12-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 790495)
Anybody want to make a wager on if Mark Taibbi is a Left Wing Liberal who highly endorsed that scumbag we have in office now. I'll bet he is.
Too bad Bachman isn't black because bozo's like this wouldn't have the balls to say anything bad about a black woman.

and you prove yourself to be a right wing hater with no concept of reality beyond the sound bites of the radical right.

lord007 07-12-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino (Post 790431)
Radical beliefs? We have a racist socialist FAR left winger in office and you are complaining about her. I wouldn't vote for her because if there is one thing our current Bozo has proven to me is we need someone that has experience running a business or at least a state.

:tro:

dino 07-12-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 790501)
and you prove yourself to be a right wing hater with no concept of reality beyond the sound bites of the radical right.


Right winger and proud as hell to admit it. Just how's that Liberalism crap working out for this country "again".
I only hate all the trash that thinks it's my job to go to work everyday to support them. Those are your people.
I volunteer at the homeless center and a good portion of my check goes is donated to good causes. I'm thinking you, like almost all liberals, do no charity work and want the government to give my money so to others so that you don't have to reach into your own pocket.

lord007 07-12-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 790501)
and you prove yourself to be a right wing hater with no concept of reality beyond the sound bites of the radical right.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder...Wake up people

Dahoss 07-12-2011 12:27 PM

Dumb and dumber.

joeydb 07-12-2011 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 790510)
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder...Wake up people

The first symptom is that liberal cannot understand math. Constantly spending more than you take in is OK with them.

Dahoss 07-12-2011 12:34 PM

and dumbest.

jms62 07-12-2011 12:34 PM

Dems got what they wanted in the White House and it isn't working. Repubs made the fuc<king mess yet insist that when they are in charge things will be better. Both Parties are RAPING you People but they have you where they want you fighting with each other...

Antitrust32 07-12-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 790493)
If she's repulsive then I'll take repulsive all day.

she looks like a 65 year old who had a bunch of plastic surgery.

Palin is the real deal when it comes to beauty... just doesnt have much else to offer.

lord007 07-12-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 790514)
Dumb and dumber.

Enjoy your Kool-aid too Hoss...

joeydb 07-12-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 790520)
she looks like a 65 year old who had a bunch of plastic surgery.

Palin is the real deal when it comes to beauty... just doesnt have much else to offer.

But according to the media, Michelle Obama is beautiful. And they wonder why nobody believes the press anymore.

Antitrust32 07-12-2011 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dino (Post 790508)
Right winger and proud as hell to admit it. Just how's that Liberalism crap working out for this country "again".
I only hate all the trash that thinks it's my job to go to work everyday to support them. Those are your people.
I volunteer at the homeless center and a good portion of my check goes is donated to good causes. I'm thinking you, like almost all liberals, do no charity work and want the government to give my money so to others so that you don't have to reach into your own pocket.

politics in general isnt working out for this country. Obama has been no better or worse than Bush, really.

Career criminals... sorry meant career politicians.. are helping to bring us down. Don't actually care about the people they are supposed to serve, just care about the next election and padding their pockets.

I'm very fiscally conservative (libertarian), and the republicans are so far off from being conservative they shouldnt even use the name.

What we need is to fire every one of them, create a strong 3rd party so there is some sort of balance, and find politicians who actually care about the future of this country. term limits are a must.

Antitrust32 07-12-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790525)
But according to the media, Michelle Obama is beautiful. And they wonder why nobody believes the press anymore.

Michelle Obama is elegant and graceful. she's definately more beautiful than Bachmann.

lord007 07-12-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790515)
The first symptom is that liberal cannot understand math. Constantly spending more than you take in is OK with them.

And they can not stand conservative women...it makes their skin crawl..hence attacks on Palin\Bachmann....constantly

jms62 07-12-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 790533)
And they can not stand stupid women...it makes their skin crawl..hence attacks on Palin\Bachmann....constantly

ftfy

joeydb 07-12-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 790530)
Michelle Obama is elegant and graceful. she's definately more beautiful than Bachmann.

There is possibly one place where that might be true:


Antitrust32 07-12-2011 01:16 PM

how do you deny that the first lady is elegant and graceful?

joeydb 07-12-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 790533)
And they can not stand conservative women...it makes their skin crawl..hence attacks on Palin\Bachmann....constantly

This was emailed around back in 2005, and so it doesn't include Palin, Bachman or Michelle Obama. Meant to be humorous of course:

( I am not the author )


joeydb 07-12-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 790545)
how do you deny that the first lady is elegant and graceful?

Hey, it's your opinion, so I can't refute it, nor can you refute mine.

Comparatively, in my opinion, she is not as elegant or graceful as Laura Bush.

Antitrust32 07-12-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790548)
Hey, it's your opinion, so I can't refute it, nor can you refute mine.

Comparatively, in my opinion, she is not as elegant or graceful as Laura Bush.

both ladies were / are better than their husbands at least!

Dahoss 07-12-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 790523)
Enjoy your Kool-aid too Hoss...

Whose kool aid am I drinking? I'm not defending anyone.

But your contributions to this room have been stupid at best. You and Joey and dino can have your little circle jerk and have the same conversation over and over again. It's not going to change anything.

:tro:

joeydb 07-12-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 790549)
both ladies were / are better than their husbands at least!

Probably more likeable too. I think I can agree with that.


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