TX bred 2yo Canigotoo with 96 BSF in debut..
 

Anyone catch the debut of Canigotoo? Bret Calhoun TX bred 2yo aired by a dozen at Lone Star Thursday earning a 96 Beyer for the 5f romp. Son of the utterly obscure Menhal, a Danzig son that won once in 4 tries (GG) and was retired. "Good horse can come from anywhere..."

Countdown to private purchase and being moved to Pletcher.

Yeah I heard about this horse. Not completely out of nowhere despite the sire (although I suppose the Danzig blood ain't for nothing). His dam is half to Captain Bodgit. She's not a blue blood by any means (a bit of an understatement), but that part got my attention. The rest of the family though, eh. Kind of telling is this quote from an article about Captain Bodgit and Free House's breeding during the 1997 TC trail. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ptain-bodgit/2

CB's breeder: "You know the old saying: Breed the best to the best and hope for the best?" Wiest said.

"What it really is, is breed the best to the best that you can afford -- and hope for the best."

I'm gonna guess he still owns CB's half-sister, Canigotoo's dam Bella Selene. Menhal's a private fee Texas stallion, and I don't suppose a very costly one, so it would fit into the plan.

Kip Deville was by the obscure Kipling. That said I'm sceptical to say the least about fast early 2yo's.

I'm more skeptical of Lone Star Park Beyer figures.

Skeptical? About what? It's a TX-bred 2yo that debuted smashingly on a Thursday night at Lone Star. He's not being touted as the likely Breeders' Cup Juvenile favorite.

Take a look at the chart and pp's and watch the race and look at the 5th race at the same distance. Whatever you want to think about the 'Lone Star Park Beyer figures', this was a big debut.

Calhoun said he's just a very fast, commonly bred juvy.

Not yet.

Well, maybe for the Juvenile Sprint (!)...

L T Smith Enterprises owns Bella Selena and have been breeding her since 1997's Breezin Bella (Rare Brick). She produced a KY bred $300k earner with Lit De Justice named Lettherebejustice (2001) that made most of his money in Canada. After that, Bella Serena was moved to Texas and has dropped foals by Lite the Fuse, Gold Legend, Wimbledon and Exciting Story since then, and now Menhal.

This one isn't Breeders' Cup nominated. As far as the Beyer, it's highly unusual to see a big fig like that from a 2yo at Lone Star. Seems like the numbers at mid-major tracks like LS always skew a bit lower, so a fig like this indicates some serious ability that transfer to other circuits.

Thanks Steve. I always liked Lit de Justice. The Breeders' Cup nomination site didn't have foals listed for 2010 or 2011 for Bella Selene. I'm curious to know if she's in foal this year. From what I can tell, Canigotoo would need a $6000 payment by the end of June to be BC eligible. Might be a good idea to get the cash together. Even if they don't want to try the BC Juvenile, there's always the new sprint race.

who was that horse a while back for Gary West that won by like 22 lenghts at Lousiana Downs or something at first asking, and did run nicely in its next 2-3 starts but then tailed off or something when moved up to face better.

An awesome debut. At the top of the stretch: "Canigotoo just rebroke!" Indeed.

Mass Media?

yep, won twice at Louisiana Downs by a combined 33+ lengths

He didn't really tail off when facing better though, he won the Forego and placed in the Cigar Mile and Met Mile.

who was the other horse he had during that time too that was also highly regarded maybe im getting the 2 mixed up

Already lowered to 96...but who tinkers with these after all.

http://www.drf.com/news/lone-star-ca...ter-debut-romp

Uh... I think I just mistakenly transcribed it when I typed 98.

But I'll go ahead and ask what snide point were you trying to make anyway...

For those that are actually interested in what goes on in racing, Bret Calhoun was on ATR today and talked about Canigotoo. Pretty funny story as owners Durant and Jordan had visited the late L T Smith's farm to purchase a different horse, and the Widow Smith said she's make the deal if they took the Menhal colt as well. They did, and he thereby earned the name 'Canigotoo'. Owners want to go to Saratoga for the Hopeful, but Calhoun is thinking along more conservative lines. They will pay the $6k though and make him BC eligible.

That Beyers are far more subjective than people think and to question them doesn't make you an ahole anymore than anyone who blindly believes every number they read....Ala, the ridiculous figs given in some of the synthetic races that depended much more on the competition, level of the race, or name of horse in the race, Zenyatta, than actually any times....it has been discussed by many other than me, many a time on this here website. Nothing snide involved. But questioning the 100 in the other thread brought out the haters so I have to keep it real. For s.hit's sake.

I saw a tweet a couple of days ago that the Beyer was downgraded to a 96. The original fig was 98.

I knew Steve made no mistake. DRF on the other hand....

Canigotoo will never win a race outside of the state of Texas.

Gutsy

My Dublin prediction is still alive

It is amazing how some of these horses find their way to the races...

Presque Isle Downs was so thankful to Calhoun for sending two horses up for the two 100K stakes this week - that they were going to give him 20% off his dinner.

The clubhouse manager was so embarassed when they told her - that she just went ahead and comped the dinner outright.

1 Free App for Mr. Calhoun coming right up.

I'd bet against that. He can certainly win a race in Louisiana, Oklahoma, or New Mexico.

There are few non-state bred stakes in those states

There are plenty of open company stakes at Remington for 2YOs (3 altogether) and there's another at Zia Park at 6 furlongs, Louisiana Downs only has them on turf as does Evangeline but Delta has some pretty nice open company 2YO races in the fall.

What kind of odds will you give me on that. Calhoun is a very good trainer that is underated imo. Canigotoo will win in the fall at other tracks,not saying it will be in the BC though,but you never know. It will be interesting to see.

If the horse were with Baffert,Pletcher,or a few other national trainers, people would be raving about him.

How many of them other than the Zia park race are sprinting?

Aren't you supposed to give me odds?

Two of the three at Remington are sprinting. One at Delta is 7fs around the bullring.

Do you have something against Bret Calhoun?

Why would I have something against Bret Calhoun? I think he is a good trainer and a good guy.

But I dont think this horse is a future star

I was mainly breaking your balls and could have used an emoticon but I opted against it. Just knowing Calhoun in a minor way I didn't think you'd have an issue with him.

I agree that he's likely not a future star but I'm sure they can win a couple of races and make a little bit of money with the horse.

Chuck has a good point based on Shocktime's awful showing in the Debutant Saturday... Had spun a 13 length win at LS in the TTAS Futurity (83 fig) and faded badly as second choice in the 2yo G3.