WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee
 

The Republican dream of a legal union-busting bill hasn't died, they added multiple union-busting provisions - adding in police and fire - into a sudden budget amendment last night about midnight in committee. No notice or written copy of the amendment was given to committee members. All Democrats present voted no to adding the amendment. All Republicans - including two facing recall elections in July for already voting in favor of union-busting - voted yes.

The union-busting bill already passed was overturned by a judge, as it was passed illegally without following proper Wisconsin open meeting law. The Republicans simply have to pass the bill again to make it legal. It is suspected they haven't brought it to the floor as a stand-alone as they no longer have the votes to pass it. The amendment will be part of the budget bill to be voted upon on the floor. The addition of fire and police were new, not included in the previous bill. The police and fire unions supported labor in fighting the previously-overturned union-busting bill.

Six Republican recalls have been approved by the Government Accountability Board and the elections are pending, July 12. Republicans were only able to garner enough signatures to recall three of the six Democrats they said they would recall, and none of the three have been approved by the GAB yet, as the signatures and methods of gathering have been questioned.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/123081583.html

This is one of those 'deal with it' issues. Republicans were voted in because the mess the government is in. The People of Wisconsin elected them to fix it and that is what is happening. Now I only 'hope' other States will follow and 'change' ultimately ending with 'fixing' Federal employees. Wisconsin is providing the prototype that can be easily duplicated.

I hope the Republicans "deal with it" if the buyer's remorse of the People of Wisconsin is real, and they are recalled. Passing a union-busting bill that increases the state's debt isn't what the GOP campaigned upon, nor what the people voted for.

Wisconsin's Republican "prototype" is being duplicated in other states as we speak: Michigan is working on recalling the union-busting pols there, as is Florida.

Edit:

Wisconsin Democratic Party announces today it will go forward with trying to recall of Gov. Scott Walker as soon as he becomes eligible http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c7HH_blog.html

As for the Wisconsin Republican side, yesterday, it was revealed that Wisconsin GOP were recorded on a secret audiotape, talking about creating a fake Democratic candidate to run in the recall primary against Democrat Schilling in an effort to delay the recall election of Republican Sen. Dan Kapanke. http://lacrossetribune.com/news/loca...cc4c002e0.html

And here is an audiotape of Rep. Dan Kapanke himself, last week, talking about how he hopes the union people "sleep in" on election day so he will not lose http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noq...122990663.html

Poor Republicans. This is one of those "deal with it" issues, I guess.

WI Republicans fail to get any Dem recalls on July 12 ballot
 

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123132008.html

This is very bad news for the Republicans, as far as getting turnout to the polls this day.

Governor Scott Walker recall:

Psst ... Dell? The above is definitely a "left wing" blog ;)

And this is game, set and match

Finally the taxpayer wins!

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...123859034.html

YOU are telling someone to stop bitching about a decision an elected official made and are suggesting that the other side should just "deal with it" because the people voted those officials into office? YOU?

Huh? Are you clueless? Simply completely uninformed about your own state? The taxpayer now pays more money. This is a coster, not a cost-saver. Even the GOP legislators say that. You'll recall it wasn't even part of a financial bill when rushed through committee?

Strange the Supremes rushed this, as the state GOP created an unprecedented Special Session to try and re-rush this through as part of the budget, with decreased chance at opposition.

But, when you have overtly activist and non-impartial judges, like GOP Supporter Justice David Prosser, it's not unexpected, right Dell? ;)

The Republican petitions have finally been reviewed, they have signatures enough to try and recall only three Dems. Unfortunately, all Republicans received enough signatures for recall, and they will come first. The GOP is mounting fake Dem challengers to force this to be a primary, so August 9 is the date. The Democratic recall election is the second election series. This works against the GOP, as the elections they want to win with huge turnout are the third and fourth - so it may be hard to keep up voter interest in August (vacations, ready for school, etc) Alot of voting to be done by Wisconsin voters this summer.

From Wisconsin GAB:

July 12, 2011 Recall Elections - the Democratic attempt to recall Republican state legislators:

On June 3, 2011, the Government Accountability Board ordered recall elections for July 12, 2011 in the following State Senate Districts:

District 2 -- Senator Robert Cowles

District 8 -- Senator Alberta Darling

District 10 -- Senator Sheila Harsdorf

District 14 -- Senator Luther Olsen

District 18 -- Senator Randy Hopper

Distirct 32 -- Senator Dan Kapanke

If more than one person runs against each incumbent, the July 12 election becomes a primary, and the general recall election will be held four weeks later on August 9, 2011.

July 19, 2011 Recall Elections - the Republican attempt to recall Democratic legislators:

On June 10, 2011, the Government Accountability Board ordered recall elections for July 19, 2011 in the following State Senate Districts:

District 12 -- Senator Jim Holperin

District 22 -- Senator Robert Wirch

Distirct 30 -- Senator Dave Hansen

If more than one person runs against each incumbent, the July 19 election becomes a primary, and the general recall election will be held four weeks later on August 16, 2011.

Stupid me. I should have realized the unions always had the taxpayer's back first and then the worker they represent. When the teachers go on strike year after year it's because they want lower pay and beni's to save the taxpayer a buck. And I always thought it was the other way around.

BTW according to the Governor the bill saves $30 million a year or in Obama text $300 million over 10 years. The public employee gets what amounts to a 8% cut in pay/beni's, bringing them more into line with private sector workers, the people who pay no taxes or receive government support experience no change and the taxpayer, who's been getting it in the backside all these years, gets a break. Let WI serve as the prototype for other States.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41996994...ve-bargaining/

That comment was directed at Riot as I was told that exact phrase when Obamacare passed. Only difference between the two now is the WI bill was upheld by the WI supreme court while I still have hope Obamacare won't be.

If Obamacare does stand up against suits challenging it, then I suppose it can be used as a precedent to maybe all U.S. citizens being required to contribute to a retirement plan using money that would have been used for SS and then phasing SS out. Require all citizens to maintain a food stockpile and thus no need for food stamps. Require everyone to have a job and no need for unemployment. Lastly require all parents to foot the bill for their own childrens' schooling and impose fines against parents whose children fail. I see how this may now work. The savings reaped from SS, welfare and education will surely offset any Obamacare subsidies. Only question is I thought Dems didn't want to intrude on one's private life? I guess healthcare and in the case of males, their foreskin doesn't count as 'private' in the mind of a DEM :zz:

Yea sounds like a real budget breaker!!!!! Maybe we should drug test all those Dems that ran across the border to IL. :zz:

BTW Riot You've had some good days, but yesterday was your finest! :tro:

I rarely find these "slippery slope" arguments very convincing.

People say ridiculous things like: "If you allow two women to marry each other, what's next? You have to let a man marry a goat?!?!
Or
"If you legalize pot, what's next? You have to legalize heroine too?!?!?"

They are usually ridiculous arguments. There are already many "government mandates" that have been in place for years in the United States. That sure hasn't led to a law requiring all citizens to "maintain a food stockpile."

Big differnce between allowing/legalizing and requiring IMO If two women were required to marry each other or all citizens were required to smoke pot you may have a comparison.

What law/mandate requires every US citizen to purchase a private product?

If there is one it's the Obamacare lawyers' holy grail.

I wasn't comparing pot legalization or gay marriage to PPACA.
I was simply commenting on the validity of the "slippery slope" style argument you used in your post and using gay marriage and pot legalization as examples of why I think those arguments are often ridiculous.

Seriously? You think that a superficial newspaper quote, "The law, which eliminates most of public employees’ collective bargaining rights and requires them to pay more for their health care and pensions" is a valid counterpoint to the actual accounting scoring of the markedly increased cost to taxpayers over the years?

yes!

you know because taxpayers pay for the health care and pensions! Your Vet school failed you as did the schools prior to. If your p's had school vouchers and a choice perhaps your understanding would be better and you wouldn't have falled for the $1 comes back as a $1.60 economic theory. Heck this President is happy with 83 cents on the dollar, in fact he's called it a success. :zz:

Obamacare aka PPACA can't be compared to anything legalized or mandated and that's why it's going to the Supreme Court and why I posted. If it passes it does set a precedent like it or not, simply because it's a first.

Like I said it could become a possitive. I can see a time in the future of unrest, where the US government may need to require every citizen to buy and own a gun to protect ourselves from Islam possibly China!

And this is related to Republican foreskins how?

:wf

I am seriously leaving this country as soon as I can..what an embarassment the tea baggers, Right have become

Well done and now it's time to go enjoy the beautiful WI summer! You guys deserve it! Tight lines.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,271676.story

Except for having to fight like dogs to keep your seats next month in unprecedented recall elections initiated by your very angry electorate, furious at what you've done to them ;)

IL unions do not have a vote. For the most part the very angry, furious people were not part of the electorate, rather they were bused in from Chicago or had a day off of classes at UMAD. Don't believe everything you read. ;)

Will be out on the lake this afternoon and I don't expect to see a single angry-furious person, but we'll see. :)

But those allegedly "bussed in" people that you are making up were not the ones that signed - far in excess of the numerical requirements, and quickly - the petitions necessary for the recall.

Those were indeed angry, furious Wisconsin citizens.

You know, like the ones that demonstrated at the capital last night, and are set up in the Walker Tent City outside?

So yeah, Dell, wish your Republican representatives a "good vacation". They are desperately putting up fake Democratic candidates in the elections to try and force runoffs, so they can campaign for forgiveness another month before they are kicked out for unacceptable performance.

If your referring to the half dozen people present at the vote, they were lost after a night on Water St and were looking for a bathroom

Good op-ed on current political situation in Wisconsin

"Wisconsin, Inc.: New Republican Politics in the Age of the Recall"

http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/wiscon...-of-the-recall

Kloppenberg recount cost a half a million dollars!
 

The recount of supreme court cost the tax payers of wisconsin half million dollars. But yet don't hear you bitch about that. You talk about union as though they are so great, they aren't. Its time people give walker and republicans props for trying to get the state deficit in order instead of keep burying our heads in the ground. Maybe obama and the rest of washington can learn this too. Quit spending money like its monopoly money! It doesn't work! As for the recall, i wonder how much money that will cost! In the end wisconsin will be fine and the protesters can no longer lock themselves to capitol rails with bike locks! Good job walker!;)

LOL - No, I don't "bitch" when citizens have the right to know if their elections were won by cheating or not.

Bush v. Gore mean anything to you, btw?

So there!

But their union-busting legislation doesn't do anything to help the budget, does it? Even the GOP says that. Hell, they passed it as a non-fiscal measure.

It won't be free. It's legal, according to your state Constitution, btw. The people have protections against their government, and this is one of them.

The woman declared herself the victor over a couple hundred votes yet challenged a defeat of 7,000 some votes and following the recount was affirmed that she was defeated by some 7.000 votes. Half million wasted but I'm sure in your peabrain it amounts to a $800,000 return. For christ sake you can't even understand how public employees, paying for in part their pensions and beni's helps the taxpayer. Obama had hope and you're hopeless! And a former Republican on top of it? LMAO :zz:

You're completely right and the people of WI realize what a waste of money and resources it was. For every act their is a reaction and the Dems calling for frivilous recounts and recalls has been recognized and will be acted upon by the taxpayers of WI.

BTW Those who pay no taxes or are employed by the taxpayer are in the Dems pocket anyway and are like little dependent children voting for their Dads.

Oh for christ sakes, your poor loser guy Prosser immediately - day after election - said he was demanding a recount, and filed a legal hold on the election results: until Waukesha suddenly came up with 7,000 votes. I didn't hear you whining about either the cost to taxpayers of that little temper tantrum, nor did we hear you decrying the nonsensical insistence by Prosser that the election not be certified and legal when he was over 7,000 votes in the hole. Talk about a poor loser wasting taxpayers money! Your hypocrisy and and lack of self-awareness knows no bounds. LMAO.

You mean "in the pocket" like Prosser the Supreme Court Justice said his job on the court will be to help Republican Governor Scott Walker pass legislation? Or like the President of your state Senate and the police department?

You and reality are like oil and water :D

You need to stop believing what you read about WI and come live it.

Teachers and test scores have been slumping in WI for a long time. Crime has remained low. Police deserve what they are getting just as the teachers do.

Did you know that well over half of WI gets its Fire Protection by volunteers? Now that's what Wisconsin is all about, independence and self-reliance. Not like some tenured teacher on the picket line for more time off or more money, putting the children he/she is supposed to be teaching, out of school.

You need to stop ignoring what is actually happening under your nose, and pretending it doesn't exist or more scarily, that it's good for you.

It's always strange to watch people choose to self-immolate.

here you go. Emotional LMAO !!!!!

:zz: I have no idea why you are changing the subject to bashing teachers. The discussion wasn't about that, nowhere close, but I guess you couldn't tell that? You're off on your own mental tangent.

I guess you're bashing just because you've been told, in the past year, that you must now bash teachers, and unions. And so you obediently do it, and you "think" about these things the new, "correct" way, as a good foot soldier should ;)

BTW, you failed to provide an author, a reference or a link, Dell.

Have you figured out, yet, why, in America:

In America everyone should be equally accountable for their own insurnace whatever the market dictates. To force someone to pay is a sin ;)

You know 'do not covet thy neighbors' goods'

But getting back to unions.


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It was based on your opinion the WI Gov was somehow favoring police and not teachers and my point that teachers have failed in WI and cops deserve a star!

LOL - I didn't say that at all. You'd better re-read what I said, you've completely, totally misunderstood it. I'll give you a hint: the subject was graft and corruption, and who is in whose pocket.

and you presume the police were left out of the bill because of graft and corruption when in fact it was because they are doing a fine job. Unlike many of the teachers, who have proven themselves, unable to teach a kid to read, over a 12 year period!