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smuthg 05-17-2011 05:25 PM

Top Ten Preakness Moments
 
pretty good list... the "Move" is absolutely amazing.

http://www.drf.com/news/top-10-preakness-stakes-moments

ninetoone 05-17-2011 05:35 PM

For me personally, Curlin over Street Sense is Top 3. What a performance after getting passed & an awesome call by Dave Rodman.

trackrat59 05-17-2011 05:58 PM

The Move::eek::tro::{>:

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 777006)
For me personally, Curlin over Street Sense is Top 3. What a performance after getting passed & an awesome call by Dave Rodman.

Street Sense hung like a cheap suit, just as he did in half his starts at 2 and every start beyond 9f at 3.

ddthetide 05-17-2011 07:35 PM

the Move and the Stumble. :tro:

philcski 05-17-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777028)
Street Sense hung like a cheap suit, just as he did in half his starts at 2 and every start beyond 9f at 3.

I didn't know the Derby and Travers were both 9F.

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Originally Posted by ddthetide (Post 777029)
the Move and the Stumble. :tro:

1,2 in my book.

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 776998)
pretty good list... the "Move" is absolutely amazing.

http://www.drf.com/news/top-10-preakness-stakes-moments

Leave it to Jay Hovdey to gush about the 1997 Preakness and completely ignore the performance of Touch Gold who traded a chunk of dirt in the face for a chunk of his hoof when he went to his knees--jockey cam in tow--at the start. Recovered to make a threatening bid inside only to run into some traffic while finishing just in behind the blanket finishers.

At least he didn't mention flavor-of-the-week Barry Irwin, who owned 3rd place finisher Captain Bodgit. Not sure if Dale Capuano is one of the dreaded "liars".

VOL JACK 05-17-2011 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777028)
Street Sense hung like a cheap suit, just as he did in half his starts at 2 and every start beyond 9f at 3.

The Ky Derby is 10f.

blackthroatedwind 05-17-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777031)
Leave it to Jay Hovdey to gush about the 1997 Preakness and completely ignore the performance of Touch Gold who traded a chunk of dirt in the face for a chunk of his hoof when he went to his knees--jockey cam in tow--at the start. Recovered to make a threatening bid inside only to run into some traffic while finishing just in behind the blanket finishers.

At least he didn't mention flavor-of-the-week Barry Irwin, who owned 3rd place finisher Captain Bodgit. Not sure if Dale Capuano is one of the dreaded "liars".

I would say " even for Hovdey that's embarrassing " but we're so far past that concept that this article is just more of the same.

He would have " remembered " the truth if Julie rode Touch Gold.

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 777030)
I didn't know the Derby and Travers were both 9F.

They're not. Those races are 10f, but you can hang and still win. On paper and at the 1/4 pole, Street Sense was poised to win the Travers by open lengths. He won by a desperate neck, leaning in, and swapping back to his left lead through the stretch. The Derby wasn't so bad, but again, he should have won by more, but came over 2 paths and started leaning on the rail through the stretch (and also swapped backed to his left lead) with Hard Spun--the pacesetter--inching back after him.

freddymo 05-17-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777034)
They're not. Those races are 10f, but you can hang and still win. On paper and at the 1/4 pole, Street Sense was poised to win the Travers by open lengths. He won by a desperate neck, leaning in, and swapping back to his left lead through the stretch. The Derby wasn't so bad, but again, he should have won by more, but came over 2 paths and started leaning on the rail through the stretch (and also swapped backed to his left lead) with Hard Spun--the pacesetter--inching back after him.


Are you comfortable suggesting that a horses winning perfornance should be downgrade because they dont win by more? Oh g-d, its worse then I feared, Call House maybe the diaherra is just some bad sushi but seriously I am worried..

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777033)
He would have " remembered " the truth if Julie rode Touch Gold.

Can't wait for his Belmont Stakes Top Ten.

I wonder if he'll mention the whip count Mrs. Hovdey unleashed on Colonial Affair through the stretch of his open length victory.

blackthroatedwind 05-17-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777037)
Can't wait for his Belmont Stakes Top Ten.

I wonder if he'll mention the whip count Mrs. Hovdey unleashed on Colonial Affair through the stretch of his open length victory.

I just hope Secretariat can top Julie winning the Belmont. I also hope he remembers to mention Colonial Affair.

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 777036)
Are you comfortable suggesting that a horses winning perfornance should be downgrade because they dont win by more?

If the winning horse loses ground and looks vulnerable late, isn't that a rather obvious conclusion to draw?

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Oh g-d, its worse then I feared, Call House maybe the diaherra is just some bad sushi but seriously I am worried..
I don't get your grammar here. Are you saying you ate diarrhea that tastes like sushi or vice versa?

If it's the former, what's the name of the restaurant?

The Porcelain Bowl?

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 777032)
The Ky Derby is 10f.

So is the Travers.

philcski 05-17-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777034)
They're not. Those races are 10f, but you can hang and still win. On paper and at the 1/4 pole, Street Sense was poised to win the Travers by open lengths. He won by a desperate neck, leaning in, and swapping back to his left lead through the stretch. The Derby wasn't so bad, but again, he should have won by more, but came over 2 paths and started leaning on the rail through the stretch (and also swapped backed to his left lead) with Hard Spun--the pacesetter--inching back after him.

I think you're being overly and unfairly critical. Horse won the Kentucky Derby with an explosive move and beat two great horses in doing it and you're trying to prove your incorrect assessment by devaluing it.

He definitively hung in two races- both over the poly garbage at KEE. Those don't count against him because they were caused by the surface. It's a completely absurd and unfair racing surface.

blackthroatedwind 05-17-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 777043)
I think you're being overly and unfairly critical. Horse won the Kentucky Derby with an explosive move and beat two great horses in doing it and you're trying to prove your incorrect assessment by devaluing it.

He definitively hung in two races- both over the poly garbage at KEE. Those don't count against him because they were caused by the surface. It's a completely absurd and unfair racing surface.

Remind me who the two " great " horses were in that KY Derby.

He hung in the Breeder's Futurity? I think you might want to watch that race again.

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 777043)
I think you're being overly and unfairly critical. Horse won the Kentucky Derby with an explosive move and beat two great horses in doing it and you're trying to prove your incorrect assessment by devaluing it.

Interesting. Saying that Street Sense didn't look good finishing up in his Derby victory is "incorrect" and "unfairly critical". How does his Preakness effort jive with my assessment?

I guess there's always a chance that Curlin improved 7 lengths in 2 weeks or that Calvin Borel thought the 1/16th pole was the finish line...

miraja2 05-17-2011 09:20 PM

1989 checks in at #9?

Ridiculous.

Absolutely has to be in the top 3 for the list to have any merit whatsoever.

Alan07 05-17-2011 09:25 PM

Nice to see a color screening of the '62 Preakness. :tro:

DaTruth 05-17-2011 09:30 PM

Pat Day riding Forty Niner to ensure Winning Colors didn't win the Preakness was a top Preakness moment.

RolloTomasi 05-17-2011 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 777062)
Pat Day riding Forty Niner to ensure Winning Colors didn't win the Preakness was a top Preakness moment.

Yep. Tabasco Cat's "redemption" in the Preakness following the Jeff Lukas accident was a decent story, too.

philcski 05-17-2011 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777049)
Remind me who the two " great " horses were in that KY Derby.

He hung in the Breeder's Futurity? I think you might want to watch that race again.

If you want to call Hard Spun and Curlin very good, and not great, that's fine. I hate calling Curlin "great" anyways. Can't find a replay of the '06 Breeders... but would like to see it again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777052)
Interesting. Saying that Street Sense didn't look good finishing up in his Derby victory is "incorrect" and "unfairly critical". How does his Preakness effort jive with my assessment?

I guess there's always a chance that Curlin improved 7 lengths in 2 weeks or that Calvin Borel thought the 1/16th pole was the finish line...

Hmmm... did you say that between the Derby and Preakness? Otherwise it's easy to look at it in hindsight. And anybody could see Street Sense was 4-5 lengths better at CD than anywhere else. That is unquestionable. Then Curlin only would have had to improved by 2-3 lengths. Not exactly impossible, especially considering his trip in the Preakness was much smoother.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on THIS year's Preakness, to be honest.

somerfrost 05-17-2011 10:46 PM

The Move has always been my personal favorite, my jaw dropped when Secretariat zoomed to the front, I remember thinking, "what is the jock doing?" but it quickly became apparent that he was just along for the ride...too bad the timer malfunctioned denying Secretariat of another record.

RolloTomasi 05-18-2011 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 777073)
Hmmm... did you say that between the Derby and Preakness? Otherwise it's easy to look at it in hindsight.

Certainly I noted his less than stellar finish after that electrifying move in the Derby. But the debate isn't who I bet in the 2007 Preakness. It's about Street Sense's penchant for wilting in every start beyond 9f. That includes the Derby, Preakness, Travers, and BC Classic. So, yes, I am looking at it retrospectively.

Quote:

And anybody could see Street Sense was 4-5 lengths better at CD than anywhere else. That is unquestionable. Then Curlin only would have had to improved by 2-3 lengths. Not exactly impossible, especially considering his trip in the Preakness was much smoother.
What about Street Sense's trip at Pimlico? Ran past Curlin like he was standing still, opens up on the field, yet gets beat. It didn't look to me like Curlin had found another gear so much as Street Sense let up on the gas pedal.

Quote:

I'd love to hear your thoughts on THIS year's Preakness, to be honest.
I've made some comments in the appropriate threads. Waiting for the entries before putting my head in the noose.

slotdirt 05-18-2011 07:52 AM

I went to the Preakness every year from '05-'09. Good to see the only non-memorable version of those five races was Big Brown's triumph.

Revidere 05-18-2011 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777031)
Leave it to Jay Hovdey to gush about the 1997 Preakness and completely ignore the performance of Touch Gold who traded a chunk of dirt in the face for a chunk of his hoof when he went to his knees--jockey cam in tow--at the start. Recovered to make a threatening bid inside only to run into some traffic while finishing just in behind the blanket finishers.

At least he didn't mention flavor-of-the-week Barry Irwin, who owned 3rd place finisher Captain Bodgit. Not sure if Dale Capuano is one of the dreaded "liars".

Gary Capuano

RolloTomasi 05-18-2011 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 777134)
Gary Capuano

Thanks. I knew I should have verified that.

blackthroatedwind 05-18-2011 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777148)
Thanks. I knew I should have verified that.

Liar.

Thunder Gulch 05-18-2011 09:56 AM

If it was any horse but Secretariat, the "Move" becomes the "Horrible Ride". Ask Stuey Elliot.

For my money, the Afleet Alex stumble was something I'll never forget.

slotdirt 05-18-2011 09:58 AM

Never will forget the Afleet Alex call by Dave Rodman (HOW MUCH THE BEST IS HE!!!!), nor the Barbaro Preakness. Pretty amazing that there wasn't further calamity at the Preakness considering what could have happened in 2005.

RolloTomasi 05-18-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 777162)
Liar.

I know. I actually was pretty confident that Dale Capuano was the trainer.

I should double check Revidere. "Gary" Capuano sounds made up.

Port Conway Lane 05-18-2011 10:23 AM

Great job of race riding by Cordero on Codex.

phystech 05-18-2011 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 777167)
I know. I actually was pretty confident that Dale Capuano was the trainer.

I should double check Revidere. "Gary" Capuano sounds made up.

It indeed was Gary, not Dale, that trained Captain Bodgit.

tanner12oz 05-18-2011 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 777130)
I went to the Preakness every year from '05-'09. Good to see the only non-memorable version of those five races was Big Brown's triumph.

afleet alex was my first year....looking forward to saturday!

we are on the rail around a21 (i think)

joeydb 05-19-2011 08:03 AM

1989 Sunday Silence vs. Easy Goer should be higher than 9th.

Unfortunately the ABC broadcast that has been on youtube for years has been taken down by the copyright gestapo.

And I can't find it hosted anywhere else via google. Great job guys. :rolleyes:

smartbid09 05-19-2011 10:57 AM

Did he do a Kentucky Derby top 10? Someone here mentioned they couldn't wait for his belmont stakes top 10... Checked the site and was unable to find it... would love to see his top ten if he made one... Thanks in advance.

Thunder Gulch 05-20-2011 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 777419)
Did he do a Kentucky Derby top 10? Someone here mentioned they couldn't wait for his belmont stakes top 10... Checked the site and was unable to find it... would love to see his top ten if he made one... Thanks in advance.

He isn't really trying to do anything special, just giving himself an excuse to drag up another Zenyatta column later in the year when he awards her 1,2,3 in his BC top 10 moments.

declansharbor 05-20-2011 09:15 AM

Today marks the 5 yr annvy of Barbaro's ill-fated injury. I did a facebook shot out to him along with posting videos of his KDerby and his Fla Derby (stretch call STILL tingles my spine everytime).

The majority of non-racing fans dont understand, nor will they ever!

slotdirt 05-20-2011 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 777654)
Today marks the 5 yr annvy of Barbaro's ill-fated injury. I did a facebook shot out to him along with posting videos of his KDerby and his Fla Derby (stretch call STILL tingles my spine everytime).

The majority of non-racing fans dont understand, nor will they ever!

Proud to say I was there for his Laurel Futurity and the Derby. I don't know what he might have become later in life, but those two races in particular were as impressive as they get.


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