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Scav 04-26-2011 10:48 PM

Now THIS is an idea
 
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In a new twist to win, place, and show wagering, on a selected race on selected days on-track only Arlington Park will offer guests an opportunity to play a $12 Last Call – which consists of a $2 win, $4 place and $6 show wager on the same horse on the same ticket. The concept behind the Last Call is based on the “ladder” principle of stacking a wager to maximize the chances of making a profit.

In many cases when the horse finishes third, the $6 show portion of the wager will cover the cost of the bet (as long as the horse returns $4 to show). If the horse finishes second, the bettor is likely to make a small profit and should the horse win, the bettor collects on all three parts of the wager.

While a fan can wager in this format on any race at any time, the Last Call offers a special twist in that losing Last Call tickets (which will be available when wagering with a roving mutuel clerk either in the Park area, on the Apron or in the Million Room and be printed on special paper) can be redeemed for a free beer or other beverage.

“The Last Call concept, besides being a good wagering strategy, adds an extra twist of fun to the traditional win, place and show wagers,” Petrillo said. “Even if a bettor’s horse doesn’t finish in the top three, he or she will still be a winner by getting a free drink.”
http://arlingtonpark.com/news/archiv...out-reduced-15

pba1817 04-27-2011 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 771678)

They would end up losing money if a few of my friends showed up for this...

golfer 04-27-2011 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 771678)

Does this apply to fruity drinks on Million Day?

OTM Al 04-27-2011 08:14 AM

Great. Feed them a drink right before they hit the road. Might be better if it was something they could redeem any day after the bet. You know, small incentives to come back.

Scav 04-27-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 771689)
They would end up losing money if a few of my friends showed up for this...

They conveniently left out of the article that it is only for one race per day, the 8th race.

Wonder if they will name the race "The Free Beer"

Travis Stone 04-27-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pba1817 (Post 771689)
They would end up losing money if a few of my friends showed up for this...

Haha, very true for many folks.

Is Arlington's takeout 17% for WPS? That's what I found on a quick search...

Beer is really cheap when you start dishing it out in small draft cups.

If $12 is wagered, that means Arlington's take is ~$2.04 pre-taxes, purses etc. Without knowing their purse situation and how their horsemen contracts work, even if it was a 50/50 split, they still gross $1.02.

There are labor considerations, taxes, supplies, COGS... but I'll bet it's either break-even or close to it by itself, then when you factor the additional revenue of people in the building, more beer sales, more wagers etc., it makes a lot of sense.

The hard part, I think, is relaying the message in the marketing. I think it's a good idea.

Sightseek 04-27-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OTM Al (Post 771713)
Great. Feed them a drink right before they hit the road. Might be better if it was something they could redeem any day after the bet. You know, small incentives to come back.

How late do they stay open for simulcast?

GBBob 04-27-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 771733)
Haha, very true for many folks.

Is Arlington's takeout 17% for WPS? That's what I found on a quick search...

Beer is really cheap when you start dishing it out in small draft cups.

If $12 is wagered, that means Arlington's take is ~$2.04 pre-taxes, purses etc. Without knowing their purse situation and how their horsemen contracts work, even if it was a 50/50 split, they still gross $1.02.

There are labor considerations, taxes, supplies, COGS... but I'll bet it's either break-even or close to it by itself, then when you factor the additional revenue of people in the building, more beer sales, more wagers etc., it makes a lot of sense.

The hard part, I think, is relaying the message in the marketing. I think it's a good idea.

They have..I believe..an 80/20 split with Levy on concessions so Levy had to partner on this somehow. Plus I doubt they are giving away the $6.25 Miller Lites. I will find a way to make this work though:tro:

randallscott35 04-27-2011 09:06 AM

fun idea

MaTH716 04-27-2011 09:12 AM

I like the fact that they are being creative, but I'm with Al on this with them giving out
technically free drinks late in the day. Also what's the legal gambling and drinking ages in Ill? Could they run into a problem there?
They are on the right track, but I personally think they have to tweak it a bit.

GBBob 04-27-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 771741)
I like the fact that they are being creative, but I'm with Al on this with them giving out
technically free drinks late in the day. Also what's the legal gambling and drinking ages in Ill? Could they run into a problem there?
They are on the right track, but I personally think they have to tweak it a bit.

They card heavily at AP and it's 18/21. That free drink may end up being a soda. I would think they have figured out the loopholes so this doesn't turn into .25 beer night at Municipal stadium.

Scav 04-27-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 771745)
They card heavily at AP and it's 18/21. That free drink may end up being a soda. I would think they have figured out the loopholes so this doesn't turn into .25 beer night at Municipal stadium.

Talk about attracting a crowd, that would be a wild night.

GBBob 04-27-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 771759)
Talk about attracting a crowd, that would be a wild night.

oops...it was .10 beer night actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Cent_Beer_Night

Gate Dancer 04-27-2011 10:13 AM

How about a reincarnation of a 'Down with Disco' evening !!!!!!!!!!!!

Sightseek 04-27-2011 11:24 AM

Scav ~ I just saw a guy who could be your twin!

South Beach Luv 04-27-2011 12:09 PM

First 5k through the door opening day get a coupon for a hot dog and draft beer or soda for a penny.

Not bad plus gen admission is free

MaTH716 04-27-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by South Beach Luv (Post 771820)
First 5k through the door opening day get a coupon for a hot dog and draft beer or soda for a penny.

Not bad plus gen admission is free

I wonder if their will be any DT'er who will be spinning that day..........:rolleyes:

jwkniska 04-27-2011 12:17 PM

I like it. About time they come up with some better marketing promotions.

Cannon Shell 04-28-2011 01:14 PM

"The Last Call concept, besides being a good wagering strategy, adds an extra twist of fun to the traditional win, place and show wagers,” Petrillo said. “Even if a bettor’s horse doesn’t finish in the top three, he or she will still be a winner by getting a free drink.”
..

This is considered a good wagering strategy?

pointman 04-28-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 772049)
"The Last Call concept, besides being a good wagering strategy, adds an extra twist of fun to the traditional win, place and show wagers,” Petrillo said. “Even if a bettor’s horse doesn’t finish in the top three, he or she will still be a winner by getting a free drink.”
..

This is considered a good wagering strategy?

I'm anxiously awaiting Johnny Pinwheel's assessment.

DaTruth 04-28-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 771825)
I wonder if their will be any DT'er who will be spinning that day..........:rolleyes:

How far of a drive is it from Erie?

miraja2 04-28-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 772060)
I'm anxiously awaiting Johnny Pinwheel's assessment.

:tro:

my miss storm cat 04-28-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 771807)
Scav ~ I just saw a guy who could be your twin!

... and somewhere Big Brown just pricked up his ears...

my miss storm cat 04-28-2011 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OTM Al (Post 771713)
Great. Feed them a drink right before they hit the road.

I know!

Sightseek 04-28-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 772139)
... and somewhere Big Brown just pricked up his ears...

:D

GBBob 04-29-2011 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 772060)
I'm anxiously awaiting Johnny Pinwheel's assessment.

i knew they wouild do this but it's stupid....the roi if you include the beer for this bet if it's on a sunday....well...you have to be an idiot to play this unless the free beer is included only if you have the winning and losing ticket......i'm too smart a capper to fall for this trick but will play it as soon as i know the results and the winner is 35-1 or more..wtf..who thinks of this sh+t.....i thought of this but didn't tell anyone si I don't have to share my winning ticket with anyone...thn I go get my free beer....and leave....a $6.25 tip so thet think I bought it but I fooled them because....bring crayons to track and color ticket so it loooks like that bet that I think it stupid...philcski is an a-hole for starting this thread

DaTruth 04-29-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 772181)
i knew they wouild do this but it's stupid....the roi if you include the beer for this bet if it's on a sunday....well...you have to be an idiot to play this unless the free beer is included only if you have the winning and losing ticket......i'm too smart a capper to fall for this trick but will play it as soon as i know the results and the winner is 35-1 or more..wtf..who thinks of this sh+t.....i thought of this but didn't tell anyone si I don't have to share my winning ticket with anyone...thn I go get my free beer....and leave....a $6.25 tip so thet think I bought it but I fooled them because....bring crayons to track and color ticket so it loooks like that bet that I think it stupid...philcski is an a-hole for starting this thread

:tro::tro::tro:

miraja2 04-29-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 772181)
i knew they wouild do this but it's stupid....the roi if you include the beer for this bet if it's on a sunday....well...you have to be an idiot to play this unless the free beer is included only if you have the winning and losing ticket......i'm too smart a capper to fall for this trick but will play it as soon as i know the results and the winner is 35-1 or more..wtf..who thinks of this sh+t.....i thought of this but didn't tell anyone si I don't have to share my winning ticket with anyone...thn I go get my free beer....and leave....a $6.25 tip so thet think I bought it but I fooled them because....bring crayons to track and color ticket so it loooks like that bet that I think it stupid...philcski is an a-hole for starting this thread

Oh my god.

Many, many :tro:s


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