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are these games abit of a snooze to anyone else..yesh..bad b ball ..go bulls

Nickerbockers have something for the future......Celts look old, slow and lucky yet again...

The lines have been a dog player's dream. Dallas and Miami are the only two favs to cover the line (Dal 2-0 and Mia 1-1 vs spread). 13 games and the favs are 3-10.

Tomorrow night you have Lakers v hornets, Spurs v griz, thunder v nuggets. Anyone who watched game 1 of the spurs series realizes that was no fluke. The line is 8.5. I would take the griz. Thunder giving nuggets 4.5. Very evenly matched teams but i would take the nuggets plus the points. The Lakers game I would leave alone but forced to make a call i would hope that Chris Paul could keep the hornets in the game enough to cover 12.

Did anyone notice what was going on last game with Kobe "covering" paul? They switched on every screen to keep kobe fresh for the offensive end. Quicker point guards give the lakers a really tough time. Next round, they get westbrook or lawson.

hmmmmm....nba playoffs...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

we'll have a champion in two months I think.

Keith Bogans the worst starter on an NBA contender since...?

Dave Twardzik?

Delonte West?

Funny how in crunch time in their first 2 playoff games this year the Celtics and Doc Rivers thought West was good enough to close out games. Because you know teams like Boston always sign guys who aren't any good and put them on the floor when playoff games are on th line...

Brendan Haywood.....

Cedric Ceballos :D

Alexandre "Sasha" Pavlovic

He can at least rebound and defend.

A coked up, 300 pound Ceballos would still be better than Bogans

A serious contender though he did only start 45 regular season games

Bogans in the regular season
started all 82 games
he averaged 4.4 points per game
he made 21 FT's the entire season (65%)
he averaged less than 2 rebounds a game
he had 9 blocked shots
he made 38 steals
he made 91 3 point shots
he shot 40%
he averaged 1.2 assists
he only played an average of 17.8 minutes per game which is the least amount of minutes he has averaged in his entire career save 2006-07 when he averaged 16.8. This despite never having started more than 49 games in a single season.

82 games
4.4 ppg
1.8 rebs
1.2 assists
40% fg
38% 3pt
65% FT


Has any starting NBA player on a good team (or maybe any team) ever had a season like this?

LOL Who else were they going to throw out there that can cover anyone? No one said he can't play any defense. Why do you think Bogans is out there? Bogans, if nothing else, is a tough vet that can defend a little bit and hit an open shot every tenth game.

Okay, what is the difference between Delonte West and Keith Bogans really? Bogans may "start" but he only averaged 18 minutes a game during the regular season which is about what Delonte averages. All stats are about the same as well.

So...my original statement was correct. If you are calling out bogans, Delonte is right there. They are both equally terrible.

Oh ok

At some point I would think the fact that Delonte West keeps finding himself on the floor in crunch time in playoff games for top teams despite the fact he is an injury prone, bi-polar, gun toting, milf loving psycho should tell you that NBA GM's think he is pretty good.

Of course comparing a guy who started 82 games with a guy who was injured most of the year and only played 450 minutes and saying their stats were the same kinda makes one wonder if you are drinking or channeling Dr Roman's numbers into basketball form

I laughed a lot.

Bogans is a starter in name only. If you watch Chicago play sometime, you will see brewer gets most of the minutes.

Bogans and delonte have similar stats in this year's playoffs as well Charles. I laughed at that whole paragraph. How can you bash bogans and use stats to back it up and then turn around and defend delonte who has the same stats? Please explain. Perhaps you have created your own performance ratings dr Shell

Do you think when pointing out Bogans only plays 17 minutes a game I has somehow forgot that they play 48?

As I asked before name a NBA player that ever had a season like Bogans did. Your trying to bash West at every occasion regardless of how misguided the reasoning is doesn't chnge the fact that a team that is considered one of the favs for the title has a starter that produces at a level of a 10th man.

[quote=Cannon Shell;771001]Do you think when pointing out Bogans only plays 17 minutes a game I has somehow forgot that they play 48?

As I asked before name a NBA player that ever had a season like Bogans did. Your trying to bash West at every occasion regardless of how misguided the reasoning is doesn't chnge the fact that a team that is considered one of the favs for the title has a starter that produces at a level of a 10th man.[/QUOTE

What difference does it make who's name they call when the game starts? Bogans and West play the same amount of minutes and have basically the same role. So I guess the answer to your original question is easy: Delonte West. He is just as big a scrub.

[quote=dalakhani;771043]SO what you are saying is that the players on the court at the end of the game doesn't matter?

I think you have been exposed to too many Wizards games....

Geez Chuck, you say that like it's a bad thing.

[quote=Cannon Shell;771074]LOL Does it always have to devolve into this stupidity or can you simply concede the obvious for once?

Bogans and West have nearly identical contributions to their respective teams. Delonte West is just as much of a non-factor as Bogans and the only reason either of them play the minutes that they do is because both teams are devoid of perimeter defensive players. It is a testament to how watered down the NBA has become and it speaks to how poorly Ainge has assembled this year's team.

My point stands and if you like I can bring up the stats to back up said point.

[quote=dalakhani;771084]It is interesting that you can twist a conversation about the uniqueness of a situation (Bogans starting for the top team in the East and making an extraordinarily small contribution) into your usual "look at how smart I am" drivel. AND somehow when I don't "concede" your "point" you act indignant?

:rolleyes: Delonte West's Postseason Stats. NOTE: 13 minutes and 2 points per game for Boston. I guess they save him for crunch time Chuck. LOL

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/...3/delonte-west

Keith Bogans Postseason Stats for Chicago. NOTE: 18 minutes and 3 points per game for Chicago.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/.../3/keith-bogan

Both play about the same minutes. Both play about the same role. Both players suck although Delonte appears to suck a little more.

[quote=Cannon Shell;771102]There is nothing unique about the situation and the fact that you think its unique re-emphasizes to me how little you know about the sport.

Bill Cartwright started for the 1993 Bulls. He averaged 5 points and 3 boards in 19 minutes while starting 63 games for a three time champion. Want more?

Beat me to it on Cartright. You forgot that he shot 41% from the field.

[quote=dalakhani;771122]This is 2011. That was 18 years ago. I would say that situations that happen every 18 years are hardly ordinary. Of course Cartwrght was near the end of the line for team that he had stated for, and played fairly well for for the previous 6 seasons. Yeah exactly the same...

Despite having never met or spoke to me it is amazing how much you seem to know about my "knowledge". If it makes you feel better to take unwarranted shots at me, I don't mind. I just feel sorry for your husband...

Knicks have quit, horrible first half, 38 points....55-38 and the Celtics are on cruise control. If it weren't for Melo, it would be even worse. The Knicks can't run an offense, standing around while the shot clock runs down...terrible effort!

shut up

Heat blew one, interesting stat...when the Heat are down 3 or less with 10 seconds or less to play, James and Wade are 1-13 shooting. One has to think that will even out in time but if they are going to make a deep run in the playoffs, it has to change soon.

Hawks 66, Magic 61 after three...I'm a bit surprised that the Hawks are giving the Magic such a hard time but the game is a bit of a yawner....both teams seem lethargic.

[quote=Cannon Shell;771170]I didn't realize we were so sensitive. I will never ever take a shot at your knowledge of the game of basketball regardless of how many you have taken at mine. :wf

My husband appreciates the sympathy and it is indeed warranted.;)

Knicks had no pg. I think its hardly fair to judge them getting swept when they were trotting out Douglas to be their pg.

Hawks go up 3-1, beat Magic 88-85....Magic shoot 3-24 from 3pt land. Howard and Arenas only players that showed up.

The Magic don't match up well with the Hawks this year. The Magic really don't have anyone that can get to the basket besides Jameer Nelson (and arenas in game 4). Their wing players are completely useless offensively and liabilities at the other end of the floor against the longer and more athletic Hawks.

Howard is the only advantage that Orlando has.

[quote=Cannon Shell;771170]Chuck-

How about Mark West? For 92-93 and 93-94 Phoenix Suns he was the starting center. The 92-93 team had the best record in the NBA or at least they were the finalist that year. Mark west's stats? 5.3 points per game with 5 rebounds. After West left? Joe Kleine took over. His stats? 3.7 points and 3.5 rebounds for a team that won their division.

How about Terry Porter? Im talking about the guy that started in the playoffs for the San Antonio spurs in 2000. Remember that team? Lost to the Lakers in the Western Conference finals. His stats? 7 pts and 3 assists during the regular season and 5 pts and 3 assists during the playoffs.

How about Adrian Griffin? Started for the Dallas Mavericks in 2006 when they lost to the heat in the finals. His stats? 4 pts and 4 rebounds per game.

You want more Chuck or are you willing to concede? There are more if you want them. Griffin and Bogans are actually quite similar.