Wait On That Abortion
 

Nothing like infringing on people's rights like South Dakota is currently doing. Not only are they imposing a 3 day waiting period if you want one, but they actually will force you to undergo counseling to talk you out of it. All this for something that is LEGAL in this country. Un****ingreal

Not if you're the one in the womb!

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It's legal. Deal with it.

You will obey, motherf.ucker.

Yes it is! I began as pro-abortion, changed my junior year of college. For awhile, I supported repeal of Roe but in recent years, I've come to realize that abortion is not a legal issue but a moral one. I support efforts to reduce the abortion rate but passing state laws in an attempt to get around the Supreme Court is not the way. We must teach our sons that pregnancy is NOT a female problem, that if you get a girl pregnant, you must share in the responsibility. It will take a basic change in our culture...getting to the place when boys actually respect girls and care about their welfare instead of being focused on getting in their pants. Love must mean something rather than something you tell a girl to get your way. Until then, it simply isn't fair to expect women to be forced with having a child without recourse so we must encourage adoption and other alternatives.

Unbelievable!

But..but using a condom is such a buzzkill! and using the pill makes me cranky!

So...use your hand!

I was just posting some of the excuses people have for not using protection.

I wasn't denigrating your post. But thanks for the suggestion:)

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very well put

though I think the 3 day waiting period to buy a handgun in some states infringe more than abortion as far as being 'legal'

Women can't resist a dedicated playa.:L: They fill stadiums and arenas with girls (n' women) who come to see 1 male sing etc. They are suckers. Playas appear to be mainly born, and not made. You won't stop the Playa's. This is their drug.

40 years after roe v wade, and people still want to make it the #1 issue. it's not. if you don't believe in it, don't get one. otherwise, myofb.

It really is. It is sad. And I understand the irony some would find in my 2 week old being my avatar and me starting this thread. The fact is, I am never going to be in that woman's shoes as a man. And watching what my wife went through, and saying that all women must go through that is complete nonsense.

Welcome to the Republican wet dream - America with the morals and ethics of the some, dictated to the many.

I laugh hysterically now every time some accuses the Democrats of "big government takeover" of anything. Wisconsin, Florida and Michigan are disasters.

I thought jobs and unemployment were the number one issue this past election.
I am glad to see that we've had a record year of corporate profits, however.

i said people still want to make it #1-of course that's some people-not everyone. there are voters who vote strictly on who is 'pro life'. i think that's a misnomer, who the hell is pro death?

Well, Dr K, the various serial killers among us (I don't recall how many the FBI says are around), the Hemlock Society and other such groups, and supporters of Capital Punishment (ironically including many folks who are "pro-life")

Couldn't agree more.

I don't believe "Playas" are born, morality is taught.

Exactly. I don't know anyone who is in favor of abortions as birth control! Beyond absurd.

Interesting! I've known several young women who used abortion as exactly that. One of my best friends when I returned to school in 1971 after my tour of duty in the army had at least 4 abortions, her mindset being it was her preferred method of birth control. Over the years I have known several more women who have had multiple abortions...all would say it was "birth control".

It's been 38 years since "Roe" (1973), for many women, abortion has been legal their entire lives. In my previous post, I mentioned that I have known women who consider abortion nothing more than a birth control method...I think anyone who doubts that this is a feeling shared by more than a few is naive. You can oppose or back abortion but don't try and "sanitize" that by promoting misconceptions.

i was referring to those who use the pro life moniker as a way to exalt themselves. people who are pro choice aren't pro death, they're generally people who think that people have to figure things out for themselves.
i've read that religion is a way to mind other peoples business, i think the abortion argument is a perfect example of that.


also, just because you, somer, know of a couple of women who used abortion as a bc method doesn't necessarily prove anything on a wider scale.

That's remarkably stupid of them, don't you agree?

But your personal recollections hardly proves anything for the big picture now, especially when considering the availability of various birth control methods to women 40-50 years ago, in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

I still see little evidence that most people are in favor of killing fetuses as a method of birth control.

In 2008 (last year stats were available), there were 1,262,350 recorded abortions...approximately half of these involved women who had at least one prior abortion. 11% of all women having an abortion did not use alternative methods of birth control....there is your "wider scale"

Don't misquote me, I said "more than a few" not "most"
Big difference!
Note my response to Danzig

11%. not a huge percentage, is it?

i was talking to a co-worker the other day, said i was glad i was born in an age of birth control. women like to have control over their lives, pregnancy being a big part of that. i like that my children are grown, that i can have a good relationship with my husband without having to worry about children. like i read the other day, i wouldn't take a million dollars for one of my children; but i wouldn't give you a nickel for another one!

About 130,000 women...in one year and that's assuming they are the only ones (those having multiple abortions not being considered). As I said, "many", I'm not being critical of their decisions, it's their choice, but it is using abortion as a birth control method.

all that said, it's one in ten. and a repeat abortion doesn't mean no other bc was used.
a lady i work with will be a grandmother again soon. her daughter had an iud implanted (merino or something to that effect) it apparently came out with no one realizing, daughter is pregnant with #4. many bc methods aren't foolproof, doesn't mean there was no use at all.
at any rate, i'm not about to tell someone else what to do or not to do-it's none of my business.

I agree!

I think it is ironic that people against the death penalty are for abortion

what crime could a baby commit to deserve the death penalty?

They don't kill babies they abort a fetus. Its legal and has been for some time or do you simply not recognize what is legal but against your holier than thou moral code.

Yeah, it works both ways....seems like if you support abortion you would support the death penalty and vice versa. Of course the argument is that the fetus isn't really a baby while the otherside says that a baby is innocent while the person sentenced to death is not. Convenient arguments both ways.

I think it is ironic certain pro life people are also blatant homophobes. Fetus's should have rights, but not gays.

Make a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

i think there's a huge difference between a woman deciding to be pregnant or not, and a state killing it's citizens as a form of punishment. pro choice people aren't necessarily pro-abortion. they may be pro-mind your business, let another person make up their mind type people, while being against execution as a form of punishment.

That's an example of the weaknesses of a sound bite society where every position is reduced to as few descriptive words as possible and everyone is pigeon-holed into one description or the other. Despite my post about serial killers etc. it is obvious that most folks are "pro-life" as opposed to "pro-death", likewise most folks are generally "pro-choice" as opposed to restricting freedom of choice overall. I would say that I am philosophically opposed to abortion but realize that in the end it's a choice made by the individual. I support all logical means of reducing the abortion rate but don't want to see folks forced into a decision by others....so where does that put me?

That makes you "pro-choice."

The pro-choice position leaves room for the other side, and those opposed to abortion to not have them, because it's their choice.

The anti-choice position does not leave room for the other side.

but pro-life does.

Not really. At least not in the way the term is used in general -- "pro-life" positions do not leave room for women to make decisions about their own bodies. The "pro-life" position (unless you're using it in a personal abstract, and not the common way we know it) wants to have people completely uninvolved in the situation (legislators) making choices for women, rather than women making them for themselves.

In that way, the "pro-life" position as it's generally understood does not leave room for the pro-choice position at all, because it inherently erases choice -- that's basically the main feature of the entire position.