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Indian Charlie 03-24-2011 10:27 AM

The Preakness; Kegasus!
 
Is, oddly enough, shaping up to be the most interesting race of the year.

Besides the Derby horses going there, I've recently read from the connections of both Cal Nation and Maclean's Music that the Preakness is on their radar.

I'd also not be surprised if Bind showed up there as well.

randallscott35 03-24-2011 10:31 AM

Will Uncle Mo get redemption after flopping in the Derby? Stay tuned.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-24-2011 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762866)
Is, oddly enough, shaping up to be the most interesting race of the year.

Besides the Derby horses going there, I've recently read from the connections of both Cal Nation and Maclean's Music that the Preakness is on their radar.

I'd also not be surprised if Bind showed up there as well.

Cal Nation simply isn't competitive in the Preakness right now... he won an empty MSW race at GP. He came back in what looked like a sneaky tough spot - an N1X alw race where both his stablemate and a 17/1 outsider had clearly superior pace numbers to him. He did not respond well to having to work a lot harder early on at grossly overbet odds. A two-turn cutback with better pace numbers beat him in surprsingly weak time.

Maclean's Music should not be rushed to make the Preakness. He is not freaking Curlin. If they handle him like a sprinter and don't rush him - he will be a much better sprinter than a Curlin ever was as a router.

-BT- 03-24-2011 11:55 AM

yeah i didn't understand the hype behind why winstar plots out a course for a nx1 horse, or why bloodhorse feels the need to make it its top story.

as far as Maclean's music goes, i think distance will be an issue for him... regardless if he's in the preakness or not.

tjfla 03-24-2011 02:50 PM

As of right now there are 3 horses pointing for the Preakness

Cal Nation
Norman Asbjornson
Bandbox

Indian Charlie 03-24-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 762872)
Cal Nation simply isn't competitive in the Preakness right now... he won an empty MSW race at GP. He came back in what looked like a sneaky tough spot - an N1X alw race where both his stablemate and a 17/1 outsider had clearly superior pace numbers to him. He did not respond well to having to work a lot harder early on at grossly overbet odds. A two-turn cutback with better pace numbers beat him in surprsingly weak time.

Maclean's Music should not be rushed to make the Preakness. He is not freaking Curlin. If they handle him like a sprinter and don't rush him - he will be a much better sprinter than a Curlin ever was as a router.

I thought Cal Nations maiden race was massively overrated. Nevertheless, it still makes for an interesting race.

RolloTomasi 03-24-2011 09:46 PM

I understand Bandbox pointing to the Preakness, as he ran a few times at 2 and has been doing fairly well on the Maryland circuit.

But why are these "late bloomer"-types (Bind, Maclean's Music, etc.) who would be hard pressed (and likely ruined) to make the Derby somehow viable Preakness candidates?

It's only 1/2 a furlong shorter and only 2 weeks after the Derby. Is that enough cushion to bring them "up to speed"? I wouldn't think so.

These horses should be targeting the Haskell and Travers if they even prove to be route horses in the first place.

Indian Charlie 03-24-2011 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 763023)
I understand Bandbox pointing to the Preakness, as he ran a few times at 2 and has been doing fairly well on the Maryland circuit.

But why are these "late bloomer"-types (Bind, Maclean's Music, etc.) who would be hard pressed (and likely ruined) to make the Derby somehow viable Preakness candidates?

It's only 1/2 a furlong shorter and only 2 weeks after the Derby. Is that enough cushion to bring them "up to speed"? I wouldn't think so.

These horses should be targeting the Haskell and Travers if they even prove to be route horses in the first place.

It's the earnings thing.

my miss storm cat 03-29-2011 12:34 PM

Say hello to Kegasus...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/b...t-of-the-year/

justindew 03-29-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 764230)

I wonder if he could have won the Sunland Derby.

my miss storm cat 03-29-2011 12:41 PM

Not sure.

Personally am too busy trying to figure out if he was based on anyone around here... :eek: :D

(Kidding).

TouchOfGrey 03-29-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 764230)


:eek:

asudevil 03-29-2011 12:54 PM

Here is the Baltimore Sun Version:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/b...,4896905.story

Kasept 03-29-2011 01:00 PM

But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

asudevil 03-29-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

That's incredible marketing! :eek:

randallscott35 03-29-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

At least we know RH10 is ok

my miss storm cat 03-29-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

They don't call it the sport of kings for nothing. :p

asudevil 03-29-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

How appropriate will it be when Bruno Mars sings "Grenade?"

TouchOfGrey 03-29-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

Please God make it stop!

phystech 03-29-2011 01:49 PM

Howard Wolfendale looks so different with that wig on......

Kasept 03-30-2011 12:43 PM

'Kegasus' creating instant buzz..

slotdirt 03-30-2011 12:45 PM

Kegasus is pretty awesome.

TouchOfGrey 03-30-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 764635)
Kegasus is pretty awesome.

I heard he's hung like a horse.

smartbid09 03-30-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 764637)
I heard he's hung like a horse.

:D That's classic!

The Preakness does a great job of using clever advertising! I love Kegasus! Last year it was "Get Your Preak On!"

-BT- 03-30-2011 02:14 PM

only in MD



-bt-

booner 03-30-2011 05:08 PM

I keep getting the feeling a roomful of potheads are coming up with these marketing campaigns.

Thoroughbred Fan 03-31-2011 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by booner (Post 764716)
I keep getting the feeling a roomful of potheads are coming up with these marketing campaigns.

The craziest idea they ever had was to end BYOB. That move absolutely killed their revenue from that day. It was tantamount to putting bacon on every sandwich at Jewish deli and then wondering why you aren't selling anything.

Face the facts. People are by nature animals. I have been to eleven runnings of the Preakness. It had begun to get worse in the infield. I can understand wanting to rid the infield of the full beer can toss that had become a staple. People were getting hurt. However, they should have rolled out Kegasus and the $20 bottomless plastic mug that first year they killed BYOB.

This marketing campaign isn't crazy, the fact that they had to lose millions of dollars before launching it is CRAZY.

Godspeed MJC.

Coach Pants 03-31-2011 07:59 AM

Crabsfest.


Pay me.

ShadowRoll 03-31-2011 09:11 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCSmH7PmVE

robfla 03-31-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764634)


Oh, and he tweets!!!

http://twitter.com/#!/allhailkegasus

AllHailKegasus Kegasus
Bedtime is always a conflict. My top half wants to lie down, but my bottom half sleeps standing. Goodnight Twitter world. Catch ya in the AM

trackrat59 03-31-2011 10:17 AM

Frank DeFrancis just rolled over in his grave. In any case, I love the name Kegasus. But, when I saw the mascot I nearly puked. It's silly and tactless.

Freddy Mo's pic would have been nice as the mascot.

Gate Dancer 03-31-2011 11:13 AM

I think they need a couple more shovels on the wall.....................fairly lame.

All it will take is one alcohol/drug induced 'incident' to happen and then Kegasus will go the way of "Down with Disco Night"

Merlinsky 03-31-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 764241)
But wait.. there's more!

http://www.theinfieldfest.com/

What a gut. Kegasus needs to lay off the grain...alcohol.

slotdirt 03-31-2011 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan (Post 764783)
The craziest idea they ever had was to end BYOB. That move absolutely killed their revenue from that day. It was tantamount to putting bacon on every sandwich at Jewish deli and then wondering why you aren't selling anything.

Face the facts. People are by nature animals. I have been to eleven runnings of the Preakness. It had begun to get worse in the infield. I can understand wanting to rid the infield of the full beer can toss that had become a staple. People were getting hurt. However, they should have rolled out Kegasus and the $20 bottomless plastic mug that first year they killed BYOB.

This marketing campaign isn't crazy, the fact that they had to lose millions of dollars before launching it is CRAZY.

Godspeed MJC.

I completely disagree. People were eventually going to die because of the BYOB policy. I'd rather lose out on 20-30k in attendance who spend virtually nothing on betting than have a bazillion dollar wrongful death lawsuit.

-BT- 03-31-2011 04:00 PM

i guess mjc has someone else to blame now when they run out of beer for their "bottomless" beer mugs by the 3rd race again this year....
this coming from a state who's just now getting slots..... it all makes sense


-bt-

slotdirt 03-31-2011 04:25 PM

And just now getting slots...that are at the mall and not the racetrack. Just brilliant stuff.

Thoroughbred Fan 03-31-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 764887)
I completely disagree. People were eventually going to die because of the BYOB policy. I'd rather lose out on 20-30k in attendance who spend virtually nothing on betting than have a bazillion dollar wrongful death lawsuit.

How can you say disagree when I said BYOB was removed to eliminate danger from full cans being tossed? You can still get plowed only you don't have to carry it in now. You may still have a wrongful death suit. On that topic, it is called insurance. You pay for it, so use it once in a while.

As for the lost revenue, it is more than gambling. Tix cost about $60 bucks and then the people buy beer, food, memorabilia, etc. I bet each infield head is valued at near $100 to MJC. That multiplied by the near 50k drop caused by the change in policy adds up to $5M. You can chose to lose whatever you want, but MJC and MD racing needs the $5M.

slotdirt 03-31-2011 05:37 PM

You honestly think MJC lost $5 million by not allowing 22 year olds from Dundalk to bring in as many cases of beer as they could carry? Really?

Having seen the yokels that end up in the infield on many an occasion, I'd say the average amount brought to MJC from infield patrons was roughly 37 cents a head. Those dummies weren't buying cotton candy and Preakness t-shirts when they had 96 meisterbraus on their person.

Thoroughbred Fan 04-01-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 764939)
You honestly think MJC lost $5 million by not allowing 22 year olds from Dundalk to bring in as many cases of beer as they could carry? Really?

The short answer is yes. The long answer would involve breaking down your obvious ignorance and prejudice and I won't waste my time.

slotdirt 04-01-2011 02:44 PM

Oh no, I'd love to hear about how the kids from Glen Burnie were spending $40 per head by your estimate on top of the $60 ticket price on memorabilia and refreshments, let alone betting. You've clearly never been in the Preakness infield before, nor is math your strong suit. But yeah, I'm ignorant and prejudiced.

And from what year to what year did the Preakness attendance decline by 50k?

ETA: a Thoroughbred Times article detailing how Preakness attendance has never dipped more than 35-ishk in the last dozen years. Moreover, the article also discusses how handle was down in 2010 despite a substantial increase in attendance. So yeah, I'm sure those Baltimore County kids are spending a ton on things other than $20 all you can drink beers when they show up at the track.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...ss-stakes.aspx


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