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The Indomitable DrugS 03-12-2011 09:16 PM

16K claim last time out - to Graded Stakes win?
 
Has a horse ever been claimed for 16K or less - and won a Graded Stakes race next time out?

This came within a neck of happening today in the Grade 2 Tampa Derby - when Crimson Knight had to settle for second in a hard fought battle.

The Tampa Derby outcome was an absolute tragedy for gamblers who realized Bretheren was a complete pig - running all 84 figures with very soft trips ... however ... there was nothing even remotely reasonable to play against him with in that spot today.

RolloTomasi 03-12-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760351)
Has a horse ever been claimed for 16K or less - and won a Graded Stakes race next time out?

This came within a neck of happening today in the Grade 2 Tampa Derby - when Crimson Knight had to settle for second in a hard fought battle.

The Tampa Derby outcome was an absolute tragedy for gamblers who realized Bretheren was a complete pig - running all 84 figures with very soft trips ... however ... there was nothing even remotely reasonable to play against him with in that spot today.

What was Dearest Tricksie's streak into a Graded stakes win like? I know she was claimed for about $12.5k at Del Mar before her massive tear.

randallscott35 03-12-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760351)
Has a horse ever been claimed for 16K or less - and won a Graded Stakes race next time out?

This came within a neck of happening today in the Grade 2 Tampa Derby - when Crimson Knight had to settle for second in a hard fought battle.

The Tampa Derby outcome was an absolute tragedy for gamblers who realized Bretheren was a complete pig - running all 84 figures with very soft trips ... however ... there was nothing even remotely reasonable to play against him with in that spot today.

The all button?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-12-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 760355)
What was Dearest Tricksie's streak into a Graded stakes win like? I know she was claimed for about $12.5k at Del Mar before her massive tear.

I'm pretty sure she was claimed for 32K at Del Mar and took a few races before she captured a Graded Stake race. She might have been claimed for 12.5K back in the Southwest region when she raced there.

I don't remember if Shaggy Mane was claimed - but she made a similar run.

jms62 03-13-2011 07:00 AM

43-1 over 86-1 and the Super pays 19 K... I would say that shows the impact of the Dime Supers for you. How many would have those in the top 2 at 1.00 increment.

Kasept 03-13-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 760415)
43-1 over 86-1 and the Super pays 19 K... I would say that shows the impact of the Dime Supers for you. How many would have those in the top 2 at 1.00 increment.

They could have included the winner off the Davis. (I used Beamer and Too Experience, but not Watch Me Go.) But the runner up? Uh, doubtful. (Make that impossible.)

jms62 03-13-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 760421)
They could have included the winner off the Davis. (I used Beamer and Too Experience, but not Watch Me Go.) But the runner up? Uh, doubtful. (Make that impossible.)

I had a 5 horse Box that also included the winner but the only way I would have gotten the second horse would have been a 9 horse box ;). If the base bet was a buck not too many would have had him in the top 2.

Sightseek 03-13-2011 09:42 AM

I loved the call of this race!

Thoroughbred Fan 03-13-2011 10:11 AM

1:9 on the Brethren injury/retirement announcement.....hmmmmm

richard 03-13-2011 04:06 PM

It was a heckuva race from a fan standpoint. The underdogs triumphed.

Bigsmc 03-13-2011 04:23 PM

I know one guy that was touting Crimson Knight to hit the board, but that idiot thought he would be on the lead the whole way and get caught late.

ninetoone 03-13-2011 04:34 PM

Don't think she did it, but reminds me of Xtra Heat....can anyone post her lifetime pp's? I'd like to see them from the very beginining....

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 760524)
Don't think she did it, but reminds me of Xtra Heat....can anyone post her lifetime pp's? I'd like to see them from the very beginining....

This was Xtra Heat's form before she started to get incredibly good...



She actually went from being wildly overrated to truly underrated.

ninetoone 03-13-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760529)
This was Xtra Heat's form before she started to get incredibly good...



She actually went from being wildly overrated to truly underrated.

Thanks! She was one of my all time favorites.

justindew 03-13-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760529)
She actually went from being wildly overrated to truly underrated.

What is your basis for calling her "wildly overrated"? Her 30-1 odds in the BC? Her 8-1 odds in her first graded win? Or the fact that she wasn't favored at Keeneland despite having won 11 of 12?

blackthroatedwind 03-13-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew (Post 760541)
What is your basis for calling her "wildly overrated"? Her 30-1 odds in the BC? Her 8-1 odds in her first graded win? Or the fact that she wasn't favored at Keeneland despite having won 11 of 12?

I'm not being a wiseguy here, serious question, did you follow racing closely when she was running?

justindew 03-13-2011 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 760542)
I'm not being a wiseguy here, serious question, did you follow racing closely when she was running?

I was at Belmont when she ran in the BC Sprint.

blackthroatedwind 03-13-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew (Post 760543)
I was at Belmont when she ran in the BC Sprint.

I'm sorry, what am I missing?

Were you following racing closely during her career?

justindew 03-13-2011 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 760547)
I'm sorry, what am I missing?

Were you following racing closely during her career?

Yes.

ninetoone 03-13-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 760547)
I'm sorry, what am I missing?

Were you following racing closely during her career?


I see your point...I was there at Belmont for the Sprint as well, but I was fairly clueless back then about racing, just knew that I liked her from seeing her in MD. I'm just a little less clueless now :D

MisterB 03-13-2011 06:28 PM

Mute point. Many horses move up to graded company off claims. Dull topic.

robfla 03-13-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 760550)
Mute point. Many horses move up to graded company off claims. Dull topic.

It's so dull that I'm going to hit the moot button

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 760550)
Mute point. Many horses move up to graded company off claims. Dull topic.

Not in there very next start you tard.

satan's twin 03-14-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760559)
Not in there very next start you tard.

Pretty salty, no?

Perhaps a bit softer, like ....."Not in THAR very next start you tard".

OldDog 03-14-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by robfla (Post 760552)
It's so dull that I'm going to hit the moot button

zing!

Seattleallstar 03-14-2011 12:29 PM

Gerald Bennett is one fine horseman and he was keen enough to know something about a 16k claimer.

Bigsmc 03-14-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 760654)
Gerald Bennett is one fine horseman and he was keen enough to know something about a 16k claimer.

Oh my. Yeah, that Tom Proctor guy doesn't have any idea what he is doing with his horses.

The race was full of crows and pretty much any decent $16k claimer on the grounds could have hit the board.

Bigsmc 04-18-2011 05:38 AM

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...041711USA8.pdf

justindew 04-18-2011 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 769899)

Can we REALLY count this as a class drop?


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