What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?
 

What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

You call that a race?

It was a paid workout, can't really draw any conclusions....will be tough with only one real race prior to Derby, especially with his DP!

It was a paid public workout.

6fs in 1:13.69 (breezing) became ...
8fs in 1:36.56 (handily)

Mike Welsch caught him in fractions: 25.53 :49.58 1:13.69 1:36.56 - a 22.87 final quarter with a useful gallop out.

All this "race" proved is that this horse is capable of relaxing and going very slowly - at least so long as he has no target in front of him or dirt kicked in his face.

What about Rattlesnake Bridge? Is he a goat or do you think he was taken out of his game (never mind the inexperience) having to sit second to Uncle Mo early? Seemed like he made a couple of decent runs at the winner. I wonder if he'll end up with a late-running style.

He could be a really good horse. Kings Bishop type.

He might still get a route of ground. What I was getting at was that he might have run a "Summer Bird in the Haskell"-type race today.

As far as his stakes potential, I'm not sure if his maiden win was highly rated or not.

Why didn't the other jockeys try to push Uncle Mo early. Did they really think they could take back, sit in second or third, and run him down late.

B+

They walked the first 6f of that race away - sprinted the final quarter.

Rattlesnake Bridge was a very expensive 2yo in training buy - he brought 400K at the Timonoium Park sale ... his ability to sprint a strong quarter mile doesn't come as a complete surprise.

I don't know what to think of RB yet.

Tapit's one of those weird sires who gets very precocious runners - but he's not a good debut sire - and he's a better route sire than a sprint sire.

Typically Tapit's run blah first out - they often stretch out and very quickly achieve peak form. After about five or six races .. a lot of them get hurt, tail off, or if lucky ... develop very moderately.

There's absolutely nothing you can tell from the Faux Stakes..

Gulfstream paid him 50K to have a 1 mile workout on their race card, that pretty much sums everything up.

I thought the race was a fukking joke, the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences. 26 opening quarter, the race was a farce if you can even call it a race

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

I dont think its absurd. It was a prerequisite set by Pletcher for his horse to stay in S Fla, my horse has it his own way for 3/4s ie: he walks, then they can take a run at him after the race is all but over.

So if someone beat Uncle Mo today, what were the consequences?

Water torture?

Uh huh.

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

I can't believe you're actually serious. I thought this was all a joke.

Huh?

Pletcher's motives for wanting the race and Gulfstream Park's motives for writing the race are not the same.

The draw is public and cant be and Pletcher cant control how other trainers instruct their riders but he can say something to track officials and they can influence trainers and jockeys. Try by denying stable applications, not letting jockeys ride there, writing horses out of races etc etc. Theres plenty of things tracks can do to influence races

Make it stop.

This is insane, Uncle Mo simply towered over the field, other trainers were running for minor shares and they approached the race thusly, challenging him early was seen as suicidal. Did anyone really expect this to be a tough race for Uncle Mo?

It's a dark day when somerfrost is a voice of reason.

If I recall correctly, Derek Ryan believes in this theory. :rolleyes:

Instead of trying to convince trainers how to have their horses run in the Timely Writer the management at GP probably offered to muck their stalls just for getting four horses to line up against Uncle Mo.

F-

The connections should be banned for life. If the sport fails for kicking out the hundred or so cowards ruining the sport then so be it.

Gulfstream should have classed up the race by making it an invitational.

If I had only heard about Uncle Mo and had never seen him run and this was my first time, I would be wondering what all the hype was about. This race, if you want to call it that, was not impressive at all. I don't care that he came home under 23 seconds. What else was he supposed to do after those first three fractions. Fortunately for Pletcher, this horse's 2yo form was so far beyond his classmates that he doesn't even need to improve on it to dominate this group. This was a good workout and nothing more. Not impressed at all.

yup, one of these horses at the harness track would of been more challanging. one of my friends at simulcast thought the other horses were waiting for him after he missed the break....gulfstreams version of the WWE....plus, thats going to help him when someone dishes out a 46 half in a real race.......

I really don't know what anyone expected yesterday. The race went just like it was supposed to. The fact that the slugs wouldn't press early doesn't change the fact that they were outclassed. And I don't understand why anyone was even looking to be overly impressed. It was what we thought it was- a paid workout designed to get a little racing under his belt and set him up for a legit prep in a month.

it wasn't a race, but a workout. not sure how it moved him forward at all to may. can't help wondering if overconfidence will be their undoing.
the plan with this horse illustrates perfectly why graded earnings at 2 should be removed from derby starter consideration.

The only thing it accomplished for me is that now I have an owner I dislike more than IEAH.

your right about the other riders waiting on him. It was their oppurtunity to cross over and kick some dirt in his face.

This is precious stuff, it's better then drinking, this guy could save my liver untold damage.

War Pass had a better comeback race in his one turn mile....

If this horse does not come to New York and instead stays in Florida I'm guessing something is wrong.

He really built a good bottom in this paid public work out. A good quarter horse would have given him trouble, since that's all it was.

Couldn't possibly disagree more with you on this one.

War Pass was more loose on the lead in his comeback - faced even worse competition if you can believe that - and ran at a much, much more efficent rate of speed for producing a good final time.

N1X for 3yo fillies: 46.55 half mile - 1:37.07 final time
War Pass: 46.72 half mile - 1:36.38 final time

War Pass ran his final quarter mile in 24.48 and won "driving" according to the chart... though it probably should have been labeled ridden out.

I doubt War Pass was capable of being able to run as slowly as Uncle Mo did for the first 6fs yesterday.

Did Repole run over your puppy or something?

Really. I certainly didn't like Uncle Mo going to the Timely Writer but comparing Repole to IEAH is crazy. A story that escaped a great deal of attention is that IEAH's Ruffian Equine Medical Center is currently closed and "re-structuring" for a May re-opening. They are scum.

Repole is just a character, comparing him to IEAH is fn stupid. If you like his personna or not racing could use 20 more Repole type owners. The world needs to be devoid of IEAH vermin, they have no place on this earth nevermind racing.