Beyer in Chilie
 

I wonder how the announcers are in Chile.

They probably make 40 cents per race call there.

The toughness of the horses there has a lot to do with the breeding and small purses.

I was looking over the pp's of the horses in the '35 Kentucky Derby field ... you had horses making career starts number 44, 42, and 38.

* Trainer F. M. Bray was so fearful that his 44th time starter would not be fit enough for the Kentucky Derby - that he actually worked him 10 furlongs two days before the race (only the most recent workout appears in old forms - and it's under the horses name)



* Blackbirder raced 35 times before November of his 2yo season! :



* McCarthy looks like a pus$y by comparison :

Interestingly enough, the sire of this horse - Tutti Frutti - had actually raced in Chile and won the triple crown there.

Bottom line - the American breed of thoroughbred is substantially weaker in comparison to horses reared in other countries. An overwhelming focus on speed and a wholehearted overbreeding has led to what we have today. A ton of horses who race less frequently, bleed, etc.

Can horses come back in a few days and run again and win? Then again? And again? Absolutely. Happens in...not Chile...but the UK...and more than you think. I can think of two recent examples of horses who did it.

FINAL DRIVE - UK-based horse who won three times over 15 days in November, and then after a third beaten a nose, came back and won three more times in 18 days in December.

http://www.attheraces.com/search.asp...l+drive&type=H

SILAAH - also based in the UK - had two seconds and two wins in 22 days before shipping to Dubai and grabbing second in a $110,000 race.

http://www.attheraces.com/search.asp...=silaah&type=H

Click the links and then their names to bring up lifetime free PPs.

To me, the greatest indictment about the pervasiveness of drugs in American racing is not best shown by what happens in the US, but rather, by what happens everywhere else. American racing is the pariah. WE are the crazy ones, at least in the minds of the rest of the racing world. Can horses be raced with such frequency? The answer is yes...

Can it be done in the US? Not so much...

I am a critic of American culture more than most.

However, I think what you are saying is ridiculous. Show me anywhere in the world that has heavily raced world class racehorses.

The reason some horses are raced heavily is because they can be, and need to be (from the owners perspective).

Australia is the most obvious place

those non- US horses aren't required to race gate to wire. They all just fall out of the gate plod along and then sprint for the wire
really only running an 1/8th of a mile at most
so get off it already

They race as often on dirt in South America as they do here.

well obviously we suck

We're a lot faster and a lot more fragile.

You have to go all the way back to Invasor to find an elite horse who has come out of South America. I think Einstein was bred in South America - but didn't race there.

Brazil

Ever think that all of the very best US breeding stock has left the country to race in other countries. Breeders havent weakned their stock intentional, they sold it.

Leroidesanimeux was also Brazilian bred I believe and did race there early in his career

Really? Their grade 1 horses run 200 times?

50 times?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunline

Although she was a NZ horse, most of her racing was in Australia.

Yep. But his championship year was one-year before Invasor's.

There have been a few pretty amazing superstar horses from South America in each decade going back quite a ways.

Pat your post is ridiculously unfair.

It's a 90 day meet that billionaire shieks and their billionaire sheik friends spend countless billions to entertain themselves with. It's a carnival it isnt a business. It is run solely for entertainment purposes only. The horses and there future wellfare is completely ignored as long as the carnival goes on. If millions and millions of dollars of stock is destroyed(ruined) all they do is buy more.They are toys, if they break you just go to the store and get new cooler ones. Then you have the fact that this horses are only going to race during this carnival and will be laid off for the next 6-9 months at no worry or care(money) to their connections. Win lose or draw these horses sole role in life is to race as much as they can in 90 days, yet you seem to think this makes what they do incredibly different than US stock.

Hey Freddy - next time, quote me, will make it easier for others to compare your drivel to my actual post.

And further, maybe if you got off the soapbox and READ what I said, you would realize it has nothing to do with sheikhs or their horses. The two horses in question in my post are owned, and primarily raced, by UK-based connections.

Silaah is owned by Mrs. Jackie Love and David Nicholls (who also trains). While Final Drive is owned by Par 4 Racing and trained by John Ryan.

Do me a favor and block me from your feed, it will save you the trouble of being wrong again.

25 times? 33 times?

While yeah, that's pretty nice, don't forget, Zenyatta ran 20 times.

Not a huge difference.

48 vs 20 is a bit of a difference.

The lack of a general ability to read these days KILLS me.

Wrong about what the fact that 90% of the stock is campaigned by middle eastern concerns that sole purpose is entertainment and have zero financial interest in the outcome of their decisions? Wrong about what, the fact that all of the stock that is campaign is the the result of the systematic removal of the very best animals aquired from both hemispheres? Wrong about the fact that the carnival is effective a freak show that is devoid of racing realty?
Pat if anyone is on a soap box its you trying to pitch this drug free BS on ATR and here. You point to this farce of a meet and a few select horses to attempt to validate your point that horses in the USA are a product of race day medication and poor breeding decisions(I guess when Shek Mo was spending 50 mil at Keeneland he was only buying the correctly bred US horses?). The horses in Dubai can race with whatever friggin drugs the owner of the country cares to give them. You think the testing is real and on the up and up why because the buildings that continue to arise are tall or because Sheik Mo says so? This is the same family that actively supports 10 year old boys being kidnapped and raped so they can have fun at the Camel races? Lo and Behold the rulers of the paradise known as Dubai are free from fixing drugs results yet freely import slaves to build there billion dollar racetracks and 2 billion dollar golf courses. Have a heart Pat we get they butter your bread but certainly you cant be so nieve as to think the Sheiks horses race pure because he and his have such a pristine conscience.

BTW that is interesting name on that Silaah horse, perhaps he was named with Dubai in mind. Or perhaps Silaah is owned by British nationals that effectively live in Dubai.

On a side note just because I completely disgree with your subjective "line my pockets" opinion doesnt mean its personal.

You're a gem Freddy, a real gem. Don't forget your meds next time. Feel free to sound like a lunatic on threads when I actually discuss Dubai racing. In the meantime, that sound you hear is ME ignoring YOU.

Again Pat we get you are on the payroll. In all fairness half of friggin Ky. and County Kildare are as well. It isn't ok to compare two completely different worlds of racing without at least pointing out the immense differences between them. Beyer went ahead and told people why horses race 300 times in a career. He gave the readers presumed facts on costs to train and purse structure and allowed the readers to make their own decision if the reasons for a horses 300 race career was breeding, training or economic necessity. You come on ATR and DT and speak about the horrors of race day meds and poor breeding and point to Tam Lin or other such pets that cost billionaires 100k a year to keep in training in artificially created billion dollar training facilities to race slowly 90 days a year. Respectfully its not OK and comes off very poorly and highly subjective.

Give Dutrow 20 horses in Dubai with unlimited money, unlimited meds, on site water thread mills, hyperbaric STALLS, and zero concern for 9 months of the year and I promise you he will put on a real friggin show for your home boyz.

Yeah, I did misread that. I was busy with work and misread it as her running 32 times.

Still, that is almost certainly not the normal type of career for a top caliber g1 horse down there.

One instance a trend does not make.

OOOOOOOOO

Well said.

He loves de Kock.

Roll Tide.

de Kock would be successful anywhere.

So You Think the best horse in Australia ran 5 times in 45 days last year - all in G1 races, and they werent egg and spoon G1s either. He only won 4 of them though, coming 3rd in the Melbourne Cup 4 days after sauntering to a G1 win over 10f..

plus Im sure the lads like Ed can point to more horses that have campaigns like this every year!!

:tro:

I've heard from very reliable sources that the horses in Dubai are not nearly as medication free as we are led to believe. . .

Ya think? Pat's worried about my meds.lol Actually who cares what meds they do or dont use. The meet has zero worldwide creditabilty. The only people that give a dam about the meet are the non Sheik billionaire owners looking to pad their pockets and steal money or the owners looking to sell a horse to them to ruin.

I like watching the races and certainly look forward to world cup day and its OK racing. But applauding Tam Lin for making 6 starts in 7 weeks is just stupidity at it's finest.

Brock you are a legit guy. You think the offspring of Hussonet or Redoute's Choice or any of the top Aussie stallions are better made for racing more often or is more likely just training and philosophy dictate such circumstance?

Two others I can think of straight away are Zipping (45 starts so far) and the amazing sprinter Takeover Target (41 starts).

Why does anyone think that horses are racing drug free in other countries? Because they don't admit to running on Lasix? LOL. Yeah ok. Many of the "advances" in juice come directly from other countries. Brett Pelling and the "Blue magic" are direct imports from down under.

Here is a link from "drug-free" Australia http://www.theage.com.au/news/Horse-...996492071.html

Doesn't sound much different than here

Biancone didn't arrive on these shores squeaky clean only to be corrupted by our "drug culture".

Does anyone really believe South American racing is drug free?

Remember when Japanese trained Deep Impact tested positive in the Arc?http://www.drf.com/news/deep-impact-...tive-after-arc

As for using Dubai as an example of Drug free racing remember that there were more races run in the US last weekend than will be run in Dubai all year.

The idea that American bloodlines have been "weakened" by medication is laughable but sadly many people will continue to believe such nonsense. Foreign buyers buy far more bloodstock at public auction here than anywhere else.

Sadlers Wells- American bred (leading sire in Europe)
Danehill- American bred (leading sire in Europe and Australia)
More than Ready- American bred (top 3 sire in Australia)

Most of the top mares bought at Keeneland that are exported as breding stock are American bred.

The two most childish and simplistic (and absolutely wrong) myths about horseracing are the "medication weakens the breed" and "only a commissioner can save the game".

Even if you were the commish?:D

No question.

Just wait until World Cup night when there's a lot of money in the pools. All the suckers for De Kock will be out in full force.

I see what you did there.