They are kidding right?
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41705893...news?GT1=43001

This surgery is about as elective as it gets.

Disagree.

Thanks for the well thought out reply.

Your welcome, thanks for posting the article and your well thought out sentence that the surgery is elective, still I disagree.

if you have private insurance that covers it.. whats the problem?

I certainly wouldnt want medicare/aid or taxpayer money paying for it.. but that is different than private insurance.

I would agree with jms that the surgery is elective, because its not like "we have to fix this hole in your heart or you will die" type surgery, or a ACL surgery.

But it is different than elective plastic "fix my nose, make by boobies perky" surgery. IMO. its a matter of your body matching your brain and feeling comfortable in life.

No problem, I certainly understand your position though. If I were also considering this surgery I'd probably also would feel the same way as you. My thinking is that it is as elective as a nose job or dental implants both under the right circumstances are more than cosmetic. Are there doctors that out there that recommend this as a course of action and if so what malady is it treating?

Doesn't having private insurance that covers elective things of this nature drive up the cost of insurance for all of us?

my boss just had dental implants and they were considered elective by our insurance non-providor.

see my previous post for my thoughts on gender surgery though!

Not as much as the dems stupid law did!!

but I imagine that this womans insurance doesnt cover boob jobs and all.

I just feel gender re-assignment is different from boob job / butt implant surgery.

My point was for someone with say bruxis
m, dental implants are more than cosmetic but in most cases they are cosmetic.

do you think that most gender surgerys are cosmetic? I dont think its about looking better, but feeling comfortable in your body.

I agree with you however isn't that the same reason someone get a a boob job? That is why I think it is elective and including it in insurance drives up the cost for all.

I think you can get fired at my work for disagreeing with transgendered something somethign

good. the workplace is no place for judging your co-workers lifestyles out loud. Keep it to yourself and there is no problem.

No one would 'elect' this surgery ever unless they felt it 'required'! This is a no-brainer! IMO

Covered

I have to agree. I know this is not the best place for going out on a limb on this one but......imagine living in the body of one sex when your brain is wired to be the other sex. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I can see where this type of surgery appears to be elective but if you stop and think about it those that decide to have this surgery are truly suffering inside.

I'm no expert but I believe the suicide rate is high for this group. Nothing should be worth that.

Covered - agreed.

would you consider it a birth defect? it must be. and before anyone gets angry with me, i'm calling it that insofar as you're supposed to be a guy/girl, but your body's the opposite. it didn't form correctly. i don't mean it in a bad way at all, so i hope no one misunderstands what i'm saying. at any rate, people don't elect to have this surgery on a whim. i can't imagine how incredibly difficult it must be to know you're a man (or woman), but your body doesn't match.

And it's not like they make it real easy to get the surgery....there are tons of psych exams, observation periods, etc. Nobody is even ALLOWED to have this surgery on a whim, even if they want to.

that's right. several years of therapy, etc lead up to the actual surgery. hormones, i don't know what all. and the dealing with family, friends, co-workers-aoo to be made right. it's not something easy, and it's not something i'd wish on anyone to go thru. there are children born practically every day who are not clear as to gender-so typically the parents and doctor choose boy or girl, and the child is raised as such. and sometimes, they get it wrong at the start, and those kids go thru hell.

I respectfully disagree, when there are life-saving drugs/procedures that are not covered I don't agree this should be. Sorry. We all would like everything covered yet when our insurance goes up we just blame Obama and the insurance companies.

I don't usually wade in to the politics area but to point this out and say this is why we blame Obama and the insurance companies for high costs is beyond ridiculous. In the big picture the cost of this type of surgery (because it not that prevalent) is so small it is not deserving of even a mentioning. Transgender individuals deserve a chance at a better quality of life just like the rest of us.

Sure it's not immediately saving a life but it certainly is life improving and in some cases life saving for sure. In a way I'd compare it to a deaf child getting cochlear ear implants and hearing for the first time or cataracts being removed allowing the patient to see again. It’s not a nose job or tummy tuck.

Just more proof of a fkd up world. Without delving into the psychology of the situation, The surgery itself seems a little like something out of a Mary Shelley novel.

[SARCASAM ALERT] for chrissakes, read my upteen postings attacking those who blame Obama for everything including Caleeb's Posse getting stymied in the Southwest and costing me a few hundo.

What about people that were born a cat and just know it? Are they crazy or normal in this BRAVE NEW WORLD?

Answer: They are insane just like these people wanting sex changes. Put a camera on these f.uckers 24/7 and statistically there might be one out of a hundred where you would think they are normal.

It's b.ullshit. These people are pathetic attention whores. F.uck their plight.

Where is Nascar/nascar's wife?

Totally normal person. Definitely looks like a chick now. There are millions of dudes that would f.uck him now. Yeah there aren't any warning signs that this was formerly a dude.

I'm glad this person had the opportunity to cut their cock and balls off. Otherwise America would be the worst place on earth. The stock market would fall. And gay Jesus would punish us all for not being compassionate towards something so utterly f.ucking ridiculous.

Oh my god look at this hot slut. Totally normal person right here folks. The psychiatrist should get the nobel peace prize for giving the go-ahead to have this lovely woman cut her cock and balls off.



Wow she's amazing. Totally not masculine and you can tell she was meant to be born a chick. Look a that nose. MMMM

*fap fap fap*

I'm moving to California and demanding my future employer pay for my surgery to turn into Lobster Man. I've always been a Lobster. When I'm put in hot water I scream.

If you don't agree then you're the worst person on the planet and I am better than you! You are an insensitive a.sshole! You don't know how it is to grow up knowing you're a lobster and living in a man's body.

The problem is these private insurers are doing everything in their power to not cover surgeries, cancer treatments, etc for people who absolutely need it.

These people don't need this surgery. It's not going to technically make them a man or a woman. It's just rubbish. Complete and utter rubbish. It should be covered right after plastic surgery. It's not needed and it won't make these people happy. It's an illusion.

This type of "news" is what's wrong with this country. And of course it was brought to you by one of the controllers of information. They want this article to divide us. And it is already doing that. I absolutely despise the people in support of something this ridiculous.

These people should be calling Jack Kevorkian. Because if they truly believe that the surgery will make their lives better then they might as well believe that they have multiple lives and can start over with the help of a bullet.

Sorry I missed the sarcasm, it is hard to tell amongst all this liberal propaganda.;)
I learned my lesson, I'll stay out of here. :D

Good go Obama now gtfo, idiot.

Just as much to divide as to distract. The Debter-in-Chief plans to reduce the debt by increasing the debt. Sounds as logical as balls on a... oops forget it.

If you're going to discount any possible psychological explanation for the perception of being "in the wrong body", I guess this is the best we'll do.

Are there any telltale signs, like a particular neurochemical being out of balance? I mean, can you imagine going through permanent surgery when just an appropriate medicine would have corrected the disturbing perception of being "trapped in the wrong body?"

WTF thats something I'd expect of Nascar taking a shot at Obama on a totally unrelated topic...

I want to play in the NFL but I'm trapped in the wrong body too. My buddy is trapped in a body ravaged by cancer and the experimental treatment isn't covered. Unfortunately a Sex change is of higher priority.

Yeah it's called being a sociopath.

Glibness and Superficial Charm
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

I would be better than Tom Brady if I had been born a man! ;)

but I wouldnt want to go through any surgeries.. As much as I'd love to be able to piss standing up, it is MUCH easier to get what you want when you are female.

Don't make me get my wife!