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ateamstupid 02-19-2011 01:16 PM

Bind (105 BSF)
 
Looks like Al Stall may have another late-to-the-scene three-year-old star on his hands. Bet like a sure thing and just rolled home by 10 or so over some pretty good maidens in 1:08.80 in FG 3rd today.

Kasept 02-19-2011 01:19 PM

And not even bred to sprint. Was quite impressive.

NTamm1215 02-19-2011 01:20 PM

I was just going to post something, that was awesome.

Betsy 02-19-2011 01:22 PM

He's by Pulpit out of an Unbridled mare, so he's bred along the same lines as Tapit. I still think Pulpit was AP Indy's most brilliant son - he's still a huge favorite of mine - so I'm eager to see this race once the video is posted.

Travis Stone 02-19-2011 01:24 PM

Very impressive...

ateamstupid 02-19-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 754141)
And not even bred to sprint. Was quite impressive.

That too.

Kasept 02-19-2011 01:27 PM

Al Stall & Dell Hancock both on HRTV. Al says they'll just shop for the next spot... Nothing too fast, too soon. (LOL). Dell explained that they tried to sell him at KEE and they were surprised when he didn't go. Mrs. Dilschneider stepped up though and here they are again. Pretty remarkable run they're all having.

NTamm1215 02-19-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 754148)
Al Stall & Dell Hancock both on HRTV. Al says they'll just shop for the next spot... Nothing too fast, too soon. (LOL). Dell explained that they tried to sell him at KEE and they were surprised when he didn't go. Mrs. Dilschneider stepped up though and here they are again. Pretty remarkable run they're all having.

Blame's full sister Might debuts tomorrow at FG as well.

Indian Charlie 02-19-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 754144)
He's by Pulpit out of an Unbridled mare, so he's bred along the same lines as Tapit. I still think Pulpit was AP Indy's most brilliant son - he's still a huge favorite of mine - so I'm eager to see this race once the video is posted.

Unless you have some other definition for brilliant, Old Trieste was tons more brilliant than Pulpit.

Indian Charlie 02-19-2011 01:58 PM

Just watched it, yeah, looked pretty good in winning. He looks like a big mofo too.

This crop is turning out to be more interesting by the week.

Betsy 02-19-2011 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 754167)
Unless you have some other definition for brilliant, Old Trieste was tons more brilliant than Pulpit.

We'll just have to disagree.........I liked Old Trieste, but Pulpit was a tremendous horse. He got injured in the Derby and still ran 4th.........

Here's the video of Bind:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...source=twitter

DaTruth 02-19-2011 02:06 PM

Not a bad run by Saracen cutting out those fast fractions (21 and change and 44 and change) in his second career start.

Indian Charlie 02-19-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 754175)
We'll just have to disagree.........I liked Old Trieste, but Pulpit was a tremendous horse. He got injured in the Derby and still ran 4th.........

Here's the video of Bind:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...source=twitter

Yeah. That's not typically what brilliant means though (tremendous).

Betsy 02-19-2011 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 754193)
Yeah. That's not typically what brilliant means though (tremendous).

I know what brilliant means and Pulpit was plenty brilliant. Old Trieste was very fast, but are you basing your evaluation of him based on his work before the Derby? He was a fast horse also in the afternoon, but he was also not the most consistent if I recall.

Dahoss 02-19-2011 04:27 PM

I'd like to see you two have a debate about who was a better horse....AP Indy or Indian Charlie. Can we set something like that up?

freddymo 02-19-2011 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 754148)
Al Stall & Dell Hancock both on HRTV. Al says they'll just shop for the next spot... Nothing too fast, too soon. (LOL). Dell explained that they tried to sell him at KEE and they were surprised when he didn't go. Mrs. Dilschneider stepped up though and here they are again. Pretty remarkable run they're all having.

I was expecting Stall to look to rush him..lol

miraja2 02-19-2011 05:06 PM

A full second faster than Beautician ran two races later.
Pretty impressive debut.

ateamstupid 02-19-2011 05:10 PM

While we're at it, Mildly Offensive, a daughter of Sharp Humor, just looked pretty damn strong in her debut for Carla Gaines and Rafael Bejarano in Santa Anita's 6th. Won by 5 in 1:08.25 and came home in :11.73.

Linny 02-19-2011 05:36 PM

That kind of time at FG means alot more to me that a fast time at SA. I could get 1:09 at SA this winter and I'm an old, fat suburban housewife.

ateamstupid 02-19-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 754276)
That kind of time at FG means alot more to me that a fast time at SA. I could get 1:09 at SA this winter and I'm an old, fat suburban housewife.

Hence why I didn't start a new thread for her like I did for Bind. But she still looked very good first time out.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-19-2011 05:49 PM

Don't like Bind's action (if trying to get home going 10f.) We'll see. I think he will be very tough going 8f-9f.

Scav 02-19-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 754280)
Don't like Bind's action (if trying to get home going 10f.) We'll see. I think he will be very tough going 8f-9f.

When will he run 10 furlongs this year? Maybe the Travers, but those connections don't rush horses, and this horse will be no where near the Derby. Probably Allowance race at FG, and then Derby Trail at Churchill.

At least, that is what I would do if I was sitting on that monster.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-19-2011 06:27 PM

When you debut this late in the season - it's best to forget about the Triple Crown. Owners will be owners - but even if the horse is thriving the right thing to do is to try an assualt in the 2nd half of the season after the Triple Crown series meat grinder is over.

Mucho Macho Man simply ran to his NY races today ... what a nice prospect for a June 15th foal. You've got a trainer who can easily be moved up on - and Maragh is poverty year in and year out in dirt route races. What a nice prospect and so easy to root for. Give that horse any old alchemist to train it - and get Joel Rosario up - and you'll probably see a freak.

Indian Charlie 02-19-2011 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 754253)
I'd like to see you two have a debate about who was a better horse....AP Indy or Indian Charlie. Can we set something like that up?

Yeah, I realized the futility of it all and gave up.

But I do like your idea on the debate!

Maybe when that debate is over, we can all get treated to a "Who is better " debate between you and PG1985.

DaTruth 02-19-2011 09:32 PM

That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-19-2011 10:44 PM

A. P. Indy was a better 3yo than Indian Charlie.

In the latters case it was 'what could have been' in the formers case it was 'what was'

Indian Charlie 02-20-2011 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 754364)
A. P. Indy was a better 3yo than Indian Charlie.

In the latters case it was 'what could have been' in the formers case it was 'what was'

I remember a couple of conversations where you said differently, but yeah, Indy was obviously more accomplished.

Kasept 02-20-2011 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 754340)
That may have been the fastest 6f debut by a 3yo in Fair Grounds history. Some have run 1:09 and change in their debuts at FG. Muhtafal for Neil Drysdale in 1995 and Tantivy in G for Neil Howard in 1991 come to mind. But I can't think of another who finished under 1:09.

Bind 105 Beyer

freddymo 02-20-2011 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 754376)
Bind 105 Beyer

Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.

I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.

Pedigree Ann 02-20-2011 10:52 AM

How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

NTamm1215 02-20-2011 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 754412)
How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.

Coach Pants 02-20-2011 11:16 AM

Zenyatta

freddymo 02-20-2011 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 754412)
How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

I would bet that at least 50% of all horses that debut with BSF of 100 or better go one to win at least a G3 race

freddymo 02-20-2011 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 754414)
Yeah, the only horses who generally Beyer 100+ at first asking end up being garbage pales like Curlin, Quality Road, Discreet Cat, Chilukki, and Formal Gold.


Ann is Lost in the Fog again

blackthroatedwind 02-20-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 754412)
How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.


You really are clueless.

ateamstupid 02-20-2011 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 754412)
How many fast 6f maiden winners prove to be graded stakes horses? A quarter? An eighth? Let's wait for a possible repeat performance against winners before we get excited.

Oh my God.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-20-2011 01:37 PM

the shieks have already put an offer of 6 mil.. then they will run him on the turf at a mile and 7/8:rolleyes:

Danzig 02-20-2011 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 754386)
Al Stall is a pretty easy read on his horses future. I am sure you will have him up this week, could you ask him why the horse didnt race at 2 please.I never got the feeling Stall was ever in love with Apart you could tell he was never remotely comfortable comparing Apart with Blame last year he did everything he could not to laugh at loud when it was suggested Apart could be as good.

there was an article about stall and some of his youngsters in the paper the other day. i think it was bind who had sore shins. i tried to find the thing online, but no luck as yet.

_ed_ 02-20-2011 07:19 PM

Just saw the replay. That was spectacular.

Indian Charlie 02-20-2011 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _ed_ (Post 754640)
Just saw the replay. That was spectacular.

spectacular bind?


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