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Kasept 02-07-2011 09:04 AM

PHA cancelled..
 
Tough situation there.. No one can train either.

freddymo 02-07-2011 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 749829)
Tough situation there.. No one can train either.

Track froze last night?

paisjpq 02-07-2011 10:14 AM

penn has cancelled as well

The Devil 02-07-2011 10:19 AM

Philly has not ran a full card since 1-25

Alan07 02-07-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Devil (Post 749848)
Philly has not ran a full card since 1-25

And they won't be running one tomorrow either.

RockHardTen1985 02-07-2011 02:32 PM

This one hurt today. I wanted to bet TMB.

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749921)
This one hurt today. I wanted to bet TMB.

The silver lining...

RockHardTen1985 02-07-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749929)
The silver lining...

I was excited. Whats the plan now?

Kasept 02-07-2011 02:46 PM

I understand from Chuck there is talk of a 7-10 day shut down to try and get a weather break and opportunity to work on the track. It's a very rough situation for everybody there.

Duvalier 02-07-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749929)
The silver lining...

I see they had some horses work over the track today...any chance they're getting close to running in the near future?

Edit: Nevermind...thanks Steve

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 749932)
I see they had some horses work over the track today...any chance they're getting close to running in the near future?

Edit: Nevermind...thanks Steve

Susan said the track today was the worst it has been. Last week the track was in pretty good shape in the morning but as the temps warmed up the track came apart as it thawed. The fact that there has been no break in the weather with yet another storm coming in tonight has made it difficult to repair.

freddymo 02-07-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749936)
Susan said the track today was the worst it has been. Last week the track was in pretty good shape in the morning but as the temps warmed up the track came apart as it thawed. The fact that there has been no break in the weather with yet another storm coming in tonight has made it difficult to repair.


Did you happen to read the CEO from Penn Nat's comments on racing? Now what?

Duvalier 02-07-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749936)
Susan said the track today was the worst it has been. Last week the track was in pretty good shape in the morning but as the temps warmed up the track came apart as it thawed. The fact that there has been no break in the weather with yet another storm coming in tonight has made it difficult to repair.

Thanks Chuck. With all the time missed for training so far at Pha...approximately how long would it take a horse to get back it's fitness and be ready to run again? What would be a reasonable target for a horse's next race...assuming they close this week and start back up next week.

I figure if the track is opened next week...live racing will most likely take place. How many horses based at Philly would actually be ready to race?

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 749948)
Did you happen to read the CEO from Penn Nat's comments on racing? Now what?

Is he the one we should blame for the weather?

freddymo 02-07-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749955)
Is he the one we should blame for the weather?

Chuck did you read his statement to shareholders?

freddymo 02-07-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 749951)
Thanks Chuck. With all the time missed for training so far at Pha...approximately how long would it take a horse to get back it's fitness and be ready to run again? What would be a reasonable target for a horse's next race...assuming they close this week and start back up next week.

I figure if the track is opened next week...live racing will most likely take place. How many horses based at Philly would actually be ready to race?

What makes you think Juan carlos's horses ever go to the track in between starts?

Duvalier 02-07-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 749962)
What makes you think Juan carlos's horses ever go to the track in between starts?

Haha...I'd love to know what they do leading up to a race.

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 749951)
Thanks Chuck. With all the time missed for training so far at Pha...approximately how long would it take a horse to get back it's fitness and be ready to run again? What would be a reasonable target for a horse's next race...assuming they close this week and start back up next week.

I figure if the track is opened next week...live racing will most likely take place. How many horses based at Philly would actually be ready to race?

We have trained everyday since last Wednesday and did this morning as well so we haven't missed too much training, yet. Obviously each horse has different requirements depending on age, soundness, current fitness, etc. It is really hard to say exactly how much fitness you will lose or how long it will take to get back to an optimum level. Since 90% of the horses running at Philly are stabled there pretty much everyone is in the same boat. In fact some of the older lower level horses will probably benefit from not training so much.

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 749960)
Chuck did you read his statement to shareholders?

This is news? He didn't say anything much different than Evans said to his shareholders either. When they ask to slash takeout in an attempt to make PM wagering more profitable that when you have to worry. Not that it isnt a good idea but that will be the first step in eliminating the tracks because they wont do it right or give it a real chance.

freddymo 02-07-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749969)
This is news? He didn't say anything much different than Evans said to his shareholders either. When they ask to slash takeout in an attempt to make PM wagering more profitable that when you have to worry. Not that it isnt a good idea but that will be the first step in eliminating the tracks because they wont do it right or give it a real chance.

You dont think takeout should be decreased?

Duvalier 02-07-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749964)
We have trained everyday since last Wednesday and did this morning as well so we haven't missed too much training, yet. Obviously each horse has different requirements depending on age, soundness, current fitness, etc. It is really hard to say exactly how much fitness you will lose or how long it will take to get back to an optimum level. Since 90% of the horses running at Philly are stabled there pretty much everyone is in the same boat. In fact some of the older lower level horses will probably benefit from not training so much.

I saw the track was open a few days and workouts were published but I didn't realize it had been open for training since last Wednesday. Thanks for the info.

freddymo 02-07-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 749978)
I saw the track was open a few days and workouts were published but I didn't realize it had been open for training since last Wednesday. Thanks for the info.

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Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 749977)
You dont think takeout should be decreased?

Did you miss "not that this isnt a good idea"? Of course it should be decreased but what I am saying is that they will decrease takeout and use it as "evidence" that lowering takeout doesn't work. If you lower takeout at a track like Penn sure the handle will go up. It may double. But it will likely never get high enough for them to make enough money on the racing end to not want to get rid of the headache. They will say that yes decreasing the takeout did increase handle but not enough to allow racing to be "self sustaining".

freddymo 02-07-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749987)
Did you miss "not that this isnt a good idea"? Of course it should be decreased but what I am saying is that they will decrease takeout and use it as "evidence" that lowering takeout doesn't work. If you lower takeout at a track like Penn sure the handle will go up. It may double. But it will likely never get high enough for them to make enough money on the racing end to not want to get rid of the headache. They will say that yes decreasing the takeout did increase handle but not enough to allow racing to be "self sustaining".

So you are afraid the state is going to agree to lower takeouts witness a increase in handle and then abandon racing because Penn nat(whoever) tells them even with a lower takeout we cant afford the burden of racing?

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 750002)
So you are afraid the state is going to agree to lower takeouts witness a increase in handle and then abandon racing because Penn nat(whoever) tells them even with a lower takeout we cant afford the burden of racing?

I think that it will be a done deal before they do anything. Only the truly naive think that state or local govt aren't in the pockets of large corps like Penn National gaming. It may take a few years but he is setting the table for the future when the opportune time occurs.

freddymo 02-07-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 750004)
I think that it will be a done deal before they do anything. Only the truly naive think that state or local govt aren't in the pockets of large corps like Penn National gaming. It may take a few years but he is setting the table for the future when the opportune time occurs.


I dont see takeout ever being decreased to a level that will attract so much more handle. It would have to be cut by at least a third to have such a dramatic impact. Doubling Penn's handle is more a function of ditching the 5 claimers which aint happening so fast. there are 15oo head on the grounds 800 of which should have another career

Cannon Shell 02-07-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 750022)
I dont see takeout ever being decreased to a level that will attract so much more handle. It would have to be cut by at least a third to have such a dramatic impact. Doubling Penn's handle is more a function of ditching the 5 claimers which aint happening so fast. there are 15oo head on the grounds 800 of which should have another career

People will happily bet on bad races, see Tampa races 1-5 everyday

freddymo 02-07-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 750043)
People will happily bet on bad races, see Tampa races 1-5 everyday

Tampa is going ok hardily earth shattering

richard 02-07-2011 09:33 PM

Very disappointing to have bean counters in the position that this guy from Penn is in . No imagination, no creativity, all negative , depressed opinions . Smart ass comments like "I'm glad the horses are eating well." Why do they even bother to retain him ? He's a drag on our sport and life in general .

freddymo 02-08-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by richard (Post 750129)
Very disappointing to have bean counters in the position that this guy from Penn is in . No imagination, no creativity, all negative , depressed opinions . Smart ass comments like "I'm glad the horses are eating well." Why do they even bother to retain him ? He's a drag on our sport and life in general .

He runs casinos not racetracks

richard 02-08-2011 10:48 AM

Why does he bother to get out of bed in the morning ? Genting said they would integrate their casino experience with the track. Maybe this guy is pissed because NY slam dunked his lousy bid for the Aq racino into the garbage can.

freddymo 02-08-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by richard (Post 750211)
Why does he bother to get out of bed in the morning ? Genting said they would integrate their casino experience with the track. Maybe this guy is pissed because NY slam dunked his lousy bid for the Aq racino into the garbage can.

If you think Genting is going to give a flyin fvck about racing your are sadly mistaken.

Cannon Shell 02-08-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 749978)
I saw the track was open a few days and workouts were published but I didn't realize it had been open for training since last Wednesday. Thanks for the info.

Parx added sand to the track today in an attempt to dry/even it out. There will be training tommorrow though they wont race again till Saturday (hopefully).

Duvalier 02-08-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 750391)
Parx added sand to the track today in an attempt to dry/even it out. There will be training tommorrow though they wont race again till Saturday (hopefully).

Thanks for the update

freddymo 02-09-2011 09:43 AM

Is Philly racing today?

Bigsmc 02-09-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 750510)
Is Philly racing today?

No

Alan07 02-09-2011 12:44 PM

Parx Racing in suburban Philadelphia, plagued by moisture in the base of the racing surface that alternates between freezing and thawing, hopes to resume live racing on Saturday after scrapping its fifth consecutive program on Wednesday.

http://www.drf.com/news/parx-cancels...-saturday-card


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