Now this is nuts
 

Why is it nuts you didnt think Coolmoore was going to pay to get him in the shed and then not support him?

I don't think this is a big surprise. Especially since a lot of the mares mentioned are getting up there in age and breeders like to match them with younger stallions. $35k is a pretty reasonable fee.

Despite the lacking competition, he is a back to back champ with a solid record.

I'm aware it's Coolmore, but I'm not aware that Coolmore owns most of those mares listed.

I've liked Lucky since his early 2yo season, but still, there are better stallions at better prices.

Hell, Indian Charlie to this day doesn't get overall books like that!

You are missing the point. If you are breeding to sell having Coolmoore and clients supporting you doesnt suck. You have Baffert and his clan. Pegram has always supported whatever he has owned to a point. Plus Lucky is a Smart Strike so it isn't impossible that Farish and friends would be interested in a nice filly or two.

I get all that.

It's just nuts to send that many quality mares, in the grand scheme of things, to that stallion.

I understand why it's being done. I just think it's pretty dumb.

Act least the horse came back as a 3 year old and ran well. No reason he cant be a good stallion. Maybe he is a complete flop? All of a sudden Mineshaft is showing some life?

Of all the horses going to stud this year I think LaL has the best chance to be a big time sire. By far.

I'd agree that the prospective first crop sires this year isn't great, and that LaL is up there among the best of them, but he lacks brilliance.

He was a solid and consistent performer in an abysmal time for racing.

FuPeg at half the price is ten times better the value. Maybe more.

Shocking you like a Smart Strike..lol

What's wrong with Eskendereya? I wouldn't be surprised if he was a terriffic stallion. But who the .......... really knows anymore

I am surprised you think Lookin at Lucky will be a better stud then Zenyatta...How could you?

Fu Peg burned more money then Custer killed Indians...Charlie

He's had some really nice runners however. Granted he did not live up to expectations as a sire, but he's still pretty useful, especially at 15k.

Fupeg has so many bad foals that no one bothers

WHO???
What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.

I think he may have a chance to be a decent broodmare sire but, there wouldn't be value in breeding to FuPeg if he was free.

Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
GC sires brittle horses better suited to the turf

She is infertile

He gets a ton of nightmares though. He was bred to a million mares, many very good mares at one time. Plus unless the foals are perfect people are reluctant to pay good money for them because of how crazy and unsound they are.

Admittedly, I'm not privy to such things.

Roman Ruler.
Bandini.
The BC Turf runner up, Champ Pegasus

He also had some Aussie superstar, Hardsun, or something like that.

And since Roman Ruler is turning out to be at least a useful stallion, I would say that adds some value to Fupeg.

I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.

Baffert trained horses (I remember) and their stud careers

Silver Charm - nope
Real Quiet - zippo
War Emblem - prefers other colts?
Point Given - slim
Congaree - ? may be ok
Vindication - so so


I can't remember many

the post race careers don't ever match their racing career.

Doesn't mean a whole heckuvalot

justa thought

First off, Real Quiet was not a zippo.

Baffert also had another one from the same crop as Real Quiet, and he's been a tremendous success.

I believe LaL is better suited as a stallion based on his conformation and pedigree than Vindication. Vindication has really bad knees. Most stallions are busts for the most part.

Bandini was OK.

This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.

:wf :wf

Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

What is the point?

That FuPeg has dropped a few decent runners.

And the evidence of this is Bandini? Like I said :wf :wf

Roman Ruler and the horse who ran OK in the BC Turf. I forget his name.

Yeah, Champ pegasus is a beast. Just stop already.

Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns

Dont you think there is a reason that he has dropped to 15?

Use something more recent so I can understand, please.

Yes, yes I do.
The price was to high to begin with.

He was bred to over 1500 mares on two hemisperes and you came up with Fraudini and one nice colt? Fu Peg had awesome books at the start of his stud career. Fu Peg is little more then a regional stallion at this point.