Healthcare repeal fails
 

Healthcare repeal vote fails in Senate.

Okay, Republicans - you had your little time-wasting, dog and pony theatre indulgence. Time to leave 2010 behind, and step into 2011. Don't even utter the word "health care" until after the Supremes weigh in, or unless you have any amendments to make the law better.

Now is the time to step up if you have anything to offer us regarding jobs and the economy. Remember, the reason you were elected?

All you've done so far is to introduce HR 3, a bill trying to change abortion rights, and lessen the definition of rape as an insult to all women.

It's nice you revert to fighting culture wars (it is what you know best) but you said you'd fix the economy and create jobs. Please, go ahead!

You think republicans want to repeal obamacare because of some hate we/they have?

Repealing obamacare has everything to do with both preserving good healthcare and the economy and you're right that's why they were elected.

Who cares what Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson, and Diana Ross think?

No. Why do you ask?

That's a view - but a minority one. Especially thinking it will worsen healthcare (that made me laugh). The bill is the law of the land. Has been for months. Public support for keeping it, or making it stronger, is the majority now that people realize "death panels" were a lie (Jan 17 2011 AP-GfK poll) It's already helped people. It's prevented sick children from rescission. It's gotten young people back insured on their parents insurance. It's already started to close the donut hole for some seniors, and decreased their drug costs for generics by 50%. It extends the Medicare Trust Fund by 12 years.

It will never be repealed. Why should it be? If there's something in there that isn't liked (like the 1099 provision) amend it.

The people have spoken. They didn't choose the Republican view. The GOP needs to get over it, and start working on jobs and the economy (but instead the first thing they do is change the definition of rape to the detriment of women!?)

Some people like the post office thinking they are getting a deal and some pay extra to use FedEX for both its quickness and reliability. To somehow put a surcharge on the FedEx customers to give vouchers to Post Office customers to use FedEx makes about as much sense as Obamacare. Maybe the USPO drivers could tell FedEx how to work safer and be more efficient but I doubt it. LMAO

If Dems are so keen and sure of how their plan is going to work leave those who want nothing to do with it to opt out including their wallets and you show them!.

Simple RIOT, you and other supporters show us how somehow Obamacare will work. Let's try it for say 20 years.

What do you mean, "opt out"? Of what? There is nothing in the law that makes you pay anything, or purchase anything. You have insurance now? Good for you! That won't change. There's nothing for you to "opt out" of. You want nothing to do with it? Guess what, you're there right now!

I think the first thing about the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is that people have a responsibility to learn what's in it, and what is not.

Edit: Oh, wait, I did think of two things you can choose to opt out of, Dell: you can call your insurance company, and tell them that you opt out of the "Obamacare" mandate (2014) that they cannot put a lifetime cap on your payouts (you choose to have the insurance company limit your lifetime payouts); and you want to opt out of their ability to rescind your policy at their will (you choose to let them do that).

Those Democrat senators are more afraid of Harry Reid than they are of their constituents.

Onward and upward to the Supreme Court.

Once again the Democrats are enjoying having the majority. Thier day will come when they are voted out of office. It is a shame Reid got re-elected but look at what he was running against.

If I had to look at him I would also be scared.

What do you think will happen to Obamacare if hopefully a Republican is voted for Pres in 2012? Your trying to tell us that Obama is doing a good job creating jobs and fixing the economy? Are you trying to make me laugh?

I think people are missing the point. This is just the beginning of the repeal process.

The Democrats passed this law last year along party lines. Not one Republican voted for it.

Many Democrats who voted for it got creamed at the polls. Fortunately for them, there weren't that many Democrats up for re-election in the Senate due to the Class I, II, and III system that splits up the 6 year terms to 1/3 up for vote every 2 years.

2012 is a different story. And now, when given the opportunity to undo this horrible law, the Democrats again were the only party opposing appeal. They had to do it, because if not, the repeal motion goes to the president's desk, where he can't just "vote present". He'd need to act, and by denying repeal he will once again affirm "Hey, 70% of the citizens hate this law, but tough sh*t... we're maintaining government control of your healthcare". Not a good thing for him.

The Senate Democrats transparently allowed many of their endangered members to symbolically vote for the appeal, since they were sure they'd defeat it. But again, the party reaffirmed their dedication to taking over the lives of American citizens while exempting themselves and the unions through waivers. It's a long time from now, but 2012 will be another red tidal wave if they don't smarten up, and fast.

Even though the outright repeal has stalled, the House can still de-fund the bill totally, while the court action continues on the unconstitutional law, so that the Senate Democrats may well find that they took a stand in this case for nothing. Think Custer at Little Big Horn...

The Democrats up for re-election in 2012 are depending on short term memory of the American voters.

We'll see.

And if the economy improves they will win by a landslide...

1)Having the government participate in anything to do with my healthcare whether it be administration or treatment democratic controlled or republican.

2)Financing the so-called vouchers, you seem to think will be made out of thin air. This is socialized medicine no matter how it's cooked and I hate the thought of even trying the dish.

The point is that the "repeal process" is a huge waste of time and is only a political sideshow for the GOP base. Even the GOP admits publicly they only took the vote as they promised their base.

Two federal judges have already ruled it was constitutional. Fourteen federal judges said there wasn't even enough question to look at the issue.

The two noted conservative judges who ruled negatively didn't even issue a stay on implementation as there was no basis.

Ronald Reagan's Solicitor General, yesterday at constitutionality hearings,
even agreed it was unquestionably constitutional under the commerce clause.

The supreme court will get it, the sooner the better, it will be addressed within the commerce clause, and the likely and logical result will come down.

Joey, the "defunding" is just another public political PR ploy. The only "defunding" possible is for some minor administrative functions.

The essential money for the part that needs it (Medicaid) already exists within the budget, isn't touchable, and will not affect implementation (as the bill is deficit neuteral, it comes from monies already in use)

This is the law of the land. The GOP in the Congress need to get to work on creating jobs and working on the economy. Unfortunately, all they know about "making jobs" is "tax cut". That's probably why they are not working on lowering unemployment, they have nothing to offer in the way of solutions.

Thus they are going with what they know, social issues: they instead are focusing on abortion and rape. In this time of high unemployment, rampant joblessness, a committee that just came out with scathing indictments of Wall Street, the Congressional Republicans are ignoring all that, and their first bill is about abortion and rape. Ridiculous. Good luck getting re-elected with that in 2012, Republicans.

:zz: There is nothing in the bill that involves the government in your healthcare, Dell. "The government" is not going to adminster your healthcare, nor determine any treatments. You, your doctor and your private insurance company do that now, and will continue to do that.

You really need to familiarize yourself, just a little, with what was in this bill when it passed.

No, I know how it is funded. You clearly do not. It is financed within the parameters of the bill. The bill had to be deficit neutral, and it was when passed into law. Monies were taken that are already in use. You have no additional tax or financial obligation whatsoever.

If you want to talk about socialized medicine, you have to talk about Medicare and Medicaid, and the decades we've had of it.

There isn't anything "socialized" about some really rather minor insurance company reforms.

If the economy stays exactly the same I think the Dems will still win in a landslide, the way the Republicans and "Tea Party" candidates are starting out in the Congress. People are already getting really mad at them for blockage and inaction on the jobs and economy front, they are starting to get it from both the left and the right.

You ask and you shall receive. Bravo GOP!


Republican leaders in the U.S. House of Representatives will seek $32 billion in spending cuts from current levels this year as part of an effort to reduce a forecasted $1.5 trillion deficit.

Aides to House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan outlined the savings to reporters Thursday. These spending cuts would become part of a bill to fund a wide range of federal government programs through the current fiscal year that ends Sept. 30.

RIOT since you were so excited about the Obama freeze surely you must be ecstatic at a genuine cut? BTW Not holding my breath.

Yes, Dell, during the campaign the Republicans promised $100 billion a year in tax cuts. They said they would bring a cut to the House floor every week (oh, yeah, except they won't touch defense)

Then when Boehner and Ryan were asked about it on election day, they realized that the budget year was already half over, and they couldn't keep that promise (although they were the ones making the budgets, so many found it surprising they forgot about the budget year when making the campaign promise)

So then Boehner, Cantor and Ryan said $50 billion (which made the Tea Party really mad).

Now they say they can maybe only find $32 billion, that they will niggle and dime out of current funding for the active budget year - which means it's essentially unused leftover monies from this budget year that wouldn't get spent anyways.

But yay, Republicans! We keep our fingers crossed :tro:

OMG Forget blinks on, you got out of the gate with the hood still on! Unless your definition of 'people' are the most left minded democrats.

Unemployment extensions are not jobs. Shutting down the gulf is not jobs. Jamming through health care regulations overburdening small businesses while giving waivers to constituents stinks as does the recent exemption of GE from global warming rules. Yea republicans and tea partiers are turning towards Obama only it's their backsides.

BTW That post was 'Carter crazy' just hope with his great understanding he finds the right words to console his Egyptian friend. LOL

Unused, leftover money? WTF?

So Dems will be on board with this?

The Republicans are now in charge, Dell. It's their game, their win or loss.

Whatever the economy is on election day 2012, Obama will get some blame, and the Republicans, who were just elected on the promise of helping the economy, will get the rest.

Strange - there is kind of a little stampede right now, of small businesses offering health care for their employees for the first time, so they can get the good tax cuts this year.

No, Dell, I was talking about the Tea Party being mad at the Republicans when they lowered their budget cutting figure from $100 billion to $50 billion, then maybe to $25-35 billion (for this year)

The greatest threat the GOP has to reelection in 2012 are the various Tea Party groups.

Probably :D

Dell, the Democrats right now are worried about things like protecting women from the Republican backdoor amendment attempt to take health care in rape cases away from them. The Dems just won that fight today.

It is the responsibility of the GOP, who control the Congress, control what bills are introduced, and have all the votes, bring finance and budget-cutting bills forward.

When - if - Ryan actually gets something budget cutting to the House floor, we'll see how the vote goes, depending upon what he brings forward.

And we'll see what it is they are actually "cutting".

It's nice Ryan finally came out with a list, even though it's about this current budget year in progress, because all the Republicans (Boehner, Cantor, Ryan) have been refusing to name anything specific they would cut, even after they were elected.

Did I just wake up from a two year nap? They're in charge of the house. First month they repealed Obama care. Job well done. This month they'll cut $32 billion. I'd say they're on a roll. Now if the Senate and POTUS would get out of the way they may have an outside chance of taking credit somehow.

I thought Dems were worried about jobs and the economy and republicans were worried about re-defining rape as you call it?

Yes, wow, the Republicans are on a roll ...

House Resolution 2: ... wasting 1 million dollars a day on a silly political healthcare repeal grandstand that went nowhere and was in fact permanently voted down in the Senate yesterday. Loss.

House Resolution 3: well, they did try to backdoor defund rape health care. That failed too. Thankfully. Loss.

Two bills, two losses. How are the Republicans "on a roll" ??

Let's hope they do cut something from the budget!

Because all they've done in the first month is try and take the healthcare rights of rape victims away, and take healthcare away from 30 million Americans. Go GOP! You look out for your fellow Americans. Well done! Yes, Dell, they are welcome to "take credit" for that. That's a heck of a re-election platform. The Dems are probably already cutting the campaign ads ....

The Dems can't bring bills to the floor any more. That's Speaker Boehners job.

Well, if the people that were elected dont do what they should do, then the old boy party should have something to fear

They were elected to get healthcare repealed. They did that. You call it wasted money because you are the captain of the Obamacare cheerleaders. As a republican they did what I voted them in to do. Even if we had won the senate the Obama of Obamacare would never sign it unless it was after Veto. WIN

To the GOPers who are die heart anti-abortion and voted for the new reps, they were represented as this had little to do with rape and almost everything to do with abortion. WIN

Now instead of a lame freeze, after a two year whirl wind spending spree and the subsequent raise of the budget to the stratosphere, the GOP is offering a $32 billion cut. I'll tell you what; like Obamacare let's not read the bill and sign it to find out what's cut inside it. :D

See you no longer are GOP so stop expecting them to represent you. Likewise I won't expect the Dems to come back and say we're going to do 10X what you propose and cut $320 Billion.

and so far he's :tro::tro::tro:

And I'm sure the Democrats are hoping Speaker Boehner, Congressman Cantor, and Congressman Ryan continue along this exact same path for the next two years.

Wow. Strange to consider the workings within the minds of those few Americans who consider raped women and children, if they are not also brutally beaten at the time of their rape, to not have been raped at all.

Yeah, real "WINners, those folks.

Good possibility that could happen.

Government reports $15B in contract cuts, first reduction since 1997
 

Here's a start, Dell. Hopefully the GOP will add to it:

You just don't get it. They are not there for Dems/YOU and I'm sure Dems and all socialist loving voters don't like it but you are not the people he listens to. We do! And carry on Rep Boehner :tro:

You are clueless.

Government reports $15B in contract cuts, first reduction since 1997
By Ed O'Keefe
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 3, 2011; 6:49 PM

In what administration officials describe as a major milestone, the federal government spent $15 billion less on contracts for outside products and services last year, the first year-to-year cuts in such costs since 1997.

Government contracts totaled $535 billion in fiscal 2010, down from $550 billion the year before, the White House said Thursday.

With those reductions, the Obama administration is on course to achieve its two-year goal of eliminating at least $40 billion on contract spending, according to Office of Management and Budget Deputy Director Jeffrey D. Zients.




If you spend $5,500 on outside landscaping and decrease to $5,350 and then say I got a deal for it when it's a wild field with a bunch of weeds you may be on to something. LMAO

How about we just go back to what all Dems/pre-Obama crack-whore-spending, called a inflated budget with the two needless wars and all and start from there as a mendoza-line?????????

So, your position is that cutting 15 billion dollars out of the budget - not spending it - is bad.

Study up!!!!! BTW must have been thrilled that the one thing that got your guy through all his doubters was his christian faith in God. :D

call ur guy about that creation park you're so concerned with!!!!!!

no good, just like leaving 5 pennies on a 100 dollar tab. :zz:

You just don't get it. When people are eventually actually elected to office, they are supposed to, you know, give up campaigning, and actually "govern".

Rep Boehner has wasted a month playing politics. And you think that's awesome. And that will win the Republicans the next election.

As I said: the Dems are thrilled with the GOP performance so far, too :tro: