If ObamaCare is so great?
 

1)Why are so many unions including those who gave just short of $28 million for Obama's '08 campaign applying for waivers to get out?

2)Why if Obama really does feel his way is best, is allowing waivers to be handed out in the first place and especially to his most loyal supporters?

He really thinks the American public is too stupid to see through his plan?

Don't you? Sadly they are, just ask them.

1) It was all discussed during the months of debate.

2) It's called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

3) Why don't you ask the GOP (it's essentially their plan from a few years back) or Mitt Romney? (who has had virtually the same thing up and running for the past four years in Massachusetts)

Wow that response is akin to Obama answering 'the Cubs' when asked who his favorite Sox player was?

BTW http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...ns-elect-obama

Glad I don't have to get Obamacare. The majority of the American public didn't want it. Yet Obama, The witch of DC Pelosi, and Reid shoved it down the Senate and House because the Democrats had the numbers in thier favor. Hope the Democrats enjoyed thier numbers and maybe learned from the great defeat they had in Nov when American spoke and wanted change.

Only for those that think they are watching the Sox while sitting in Wrigley ;)

The rest of the world talked about this back during the healthcare debate.

I'm quite happy to keep paying for your government healthcare. You deserve it.

And Nascar, now that the provisions are kicking in, yes, the majority of Americans not only want to keep it, they want it made better.

I earned my healthcare. Im not going to be getting a handout like other people are going to be getting with this Obamacare. I could care less if people hate the healthcare that I HAVE EARNED that they don't have. I also pay taxes.

What they hate is you trying to prevent them from having the same quality of healthcare as you do. And they pay taxes, too.

You do realize that single payer and the public option did not pass, and are not in the bill, right?

I have no problem with the working people getting this Obamacare. My problem is the unemployed who are not looking for jobs that will more than likely UNDESERVINGLY get this Obamacare at the expense of my taxpaying money. Also I hope the Illegals don't get this Obamacare. Our taxpaying money is wasted on them already. They are already getting free medical care when go to a ER and enter here illegally having a baby here thinking they could become a legal citizen because they gave birth to a child in this country. If you dont like my opinion not my problem. How am I preventing them from having quality healthcare. I didn't vote on Obamacare. If a person wanted great healtcare like I have they should of did 20 years in the military like I did. Lets see how they would like being separated from thier family for six months at a time.

You most obviously have little to no idea what is actually contained in the healthcare law. You are forming opinions on something you clearly don't know anything about.

"Getting Obamacare" - what, exactly, do you mean by that? What are you talking about? There is no "Obamacare plan" to purchase. 100% of health care insurance referenced in the bill is provided by private insurance companies.

raise my hand

How does this affect the guy who just got released from jail for murder after serving less than 10 years and can't find a job thus can't pay?

raise my hand again

What about an illegal up in Chicago who has no insurance gets shot and shows up at an emergency room?

Last time for now

How about an American citizen who refuses to get insured, pays the penalty and is shot by the illegal above after he gets released, from the hospital, for cab fare?

I got a million more at least.

Repeal Now!!!!!

Since Massachusetts has had "virtually the same thing up and running" for 4 years, I'd like to answer you Dell.

1. The jobless ex-inmate will be covered by either MassHealth (if he is getting welfare or under 19) or Commonwealth Care (if he is over 19 but low or no income). Both of which are paid by the Massachusetts taxpayer.

2. The illegal's bill will be covered by Healthnet (= the Mass taxpayer).

3. The Massachusetts citizen will be fined for not having health insurance.


What these 4 years of mandatory health insurance have provided for the working taxpayer in Massachusetts is higher taxes.
Taxes have increased (sales tax was increased by 1.25%) and property taxes have increased due to budget cuts to towns. The state needs more money to cover MassHealth, Commonwealth Care, and Healthnet.

I am in agreement with you.

I heard Massachusetts is also called Taxachusetts. Is that true. That is what is f cked with this country. The worthless undeserving illegals get more that a legal deserves to get.

[quote]He's not insured. Unless he qualifies for Medicare.

Illegals are specifically not covered under the PPACA. So ask the hospital how much charity they give (hospitals do ship patients around)

As you know, because you've been told before but you chose to ignore it, there is no penalty to actually pay in the PPACA.

It would be so helpful, if those here who just hate "Obamacare", took a little time to find out something about it. You know, so you could hate something that actually exists. Even though it's so much easier to not bother.

That's ridiculous hate talk. Poor you, poor little victim you. Grow a pair and get real. You have free lifetime medical care from your government that I - and illegals - help pay for. Illegals don't get that. You will eventually get social security. Illegals don't get that - even if they do pay into the system for years. What f cked this country is hate like yours. And what's continuing to do it is appalling ignorance.

[quote=Riot;746209]I missed the exclusion for ER visits? Why because it doesn't exist? Otherwise status quo except it f's anyone paying and benefits anyone not!

REPEAL NOW!

Even the people who live in Massachusetts call it Taxachusetts. It's not hateful; it's factual. A pension and medical care are BENEFITS given by the government for people sign up for 20 years in the military. It's not welfare. Sure, the taxpayers pay for it the same way they pay for pensions for retired politicians.

Jeez, Riot, everyone who disagrees with you is hateful?

I guess the truth hurts Riot. Thank you for the back up.

Dee Lo Brown has a song specifically for you. How are the illegals paying for my insurance. Are illegals now paying taxes? Trust me I have a pair. Which is probably more than you have.

Did all the members of Congress and the Senate read the over 2,000 page bill? Some have said they didn't read it page for page. Dont play dumb with me unless you really are dumb or ignorant. I watch the news and look at it on the internet wasn't that name given to the healthcare bill?

Thankfully it is still the opinion of the vast majority of this country that the country is not f cked. And your ignorance in believing the majority of illegals are using fake numbers to work and thus are subsidizing our social security is far more appalling. Look, the ones that do, are taking away from American jobs and the majority who don't (those who work for cash) can still show at Cook County Hospital for free treatment (subsidized by legals) with no fear, since Chicago is a 'sanctuary' city. :zz:

It's not very hard to see through his plan and easily arrive at the conclusion it is a subsidization program where the haves and healthy pay for the have-nots and un-healthy. We have county and charitable hospitals for these people at the present time. St. Judes, McDonald House, Catholic Charities etc. etc. etc. We also have little money after all that shopping the past two years.

[quote=dellinger63;746246]You're completely clueless about what's in the PPACA, and who pays for what. Right now you and I and hospitals pay for the uninsured. That isn't going to change with the PPACA - except there will be far less uninsured.

[quote]:zz: What are you talking about? I didn't talk about that. That's not what I called hateful. Geeshus, read what I wrote: I talked about VA healthcare and illegal aliens - and you are off talking some whacky thing about Massachusetts. Get a clue.

Bigotry against illegal aliens is hateful. That statement is what I called hateful.

It's Cee Lo Green.

Yes, Nascar: illegals with a job (meaning a fake SS number) pay into social security (and never get it back, although you and I benefit) and they pay federal and state and local taxes withheld through their paycheck.

So yeah: you complain "the worthless undeserving llegals get more than legals"? False, bullshiat bigoted I'm-a-victim hate crap.

They pay taxes, state, local, federal - which pays for your free government VA healthcare indeed - and never get any of it back. They don't get health care, they don't call the cops if there is a crime against them for fear of deportation (and don't get me wrong, illegals should be deported).

They pay into the system just like you and I, don't get back what we do, but want to be here so badly that's what they do.

So if you had a pair, you'd at least recognize that illegals are partially carrying your bigoted ass on their dime.

You are the last person to be lecturing on dumb regarding what's in the PPACA.

The PPACA is already law. It's not going away. It won't ever be repealed. Some provisions have already been implemented. It's pretty much been all over the news in January, listing all the provisions that have already started. There is no public option or single payer in the bill.

Here: you might learn something
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Oh, really? Go investigate that and get back to me with some stats. You might learn something.

LOL - no. But it makes a good story to foment hate of illegals. Americans don't want to work in farm fields, clean hotel rooms, or hotwalk horses. In fact, last July the United Farm Workers invited unemployed American citizens to "Take Our Jobs". Yes, citizens, come take the "jobs illegals are taking from Americans". Only 4 people accepted jobs working the fields so far in California. Even though unemployment is terrible out there.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/07/news...jobs/index.htm

And the people that show up at Cook County are the poor from all of Chicago, you assumption they are mostly illegal is absurd. That happens to be the purpose of that hospital. It exists to help the poor and disenfranchised. Try getting care at Northwestern Memorial or Loyola if you are illegal. Try getting wellness, preventive care anywhere if you are illegal. Try getting regular meds and followup treatment for tuberculosis (common in migrant populations with poor health care in the US) It doesn't happen. No ER can turn away anybody, but they only have to give necessary life-saving care. Nothing further. Put it this way: if it had been an illegal, rather than Gabby Giffords, shot in the head, they would have been discharged once they were out of ICU and they'd be home right now - not in rehab.

Thinking the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is going to give a free ride to illegals - it's specifically contained in the law that illegals are not eligible for any provisions - is beyond absurd.

I guess the truth hurts you. You need to quit living in your make believe world. Thanks for correcting me on Cee Lo Brown. At least I know you know a little. As far as I am concerned the Illegals need to get the f out of this country and do it the right way. There are thousands of people who are trying to do it the right way to be a US citizen. They should be commended on doing it the right way. I glad the illegals using a fake SSN dont get anything back. They dont deserve crap. The only thing they deserve is a one way ticket out of this country. If the illegals want to be here bad enough do it the right way.

[quote=Riot;746457]Call it hateful. Im sure many others call it the truth.

[quote=Nascar1966;746481]No. Bigotry is not truth. It's just bigotry. If you're a bigot, at least stand up and be proud about it.

[quote=Riot;746484]I have no problems saying I hate illegals. Many others also hate the illegals and feel they dont belong in this country.

[quote=Nascar1966;746498]And many - I'll say most - don't feel illegals belong in this country, but there's nothing hateful or hate-filled about it.

You can keep the hate.

You are bringing a spoon to a gun fight in a battle of wits with Riot. I enjoy it but then again I enjoy watching Oklahoma v Tulsa; Tyson v Michael Spinks. If we were keeping score you'd be the one on the short end .

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/b...hschool-311327

[quote=Riot;746457]Well then you should have left out the part NASCAR wrote about Massachusetts being called Taxachusetts.

<<Originally Posted by Nascar1966
I heard Massachusetts is also called Taxachusetts. Is that true. That is what is f cked with this country. The worthless undeserving illegals get more that a legal deserves to get.>>

I don't agree that illegal aliens are worthless - many of them are not. However, they are here illegally, and I do have a problem with that. And, if the politicians have anything to do with it, another amnesty for 12 - 20 million illegals could be declared. I also have a problem with that. We were promised 25 years ago that something like that would never happen again.

And, really Riot - you're not the only one who has a clue. To hear you tell it, everything is 100% correct and perfect about the current administration and anyone who disagrees gets a lecture from you. Because your posts are 10 decibles higher than anyone else's doesn't make you the final word.

LOL - Well, that proves how very little you have payed attention to what I've said about the current administration, and how much you assume.

[quote=Princess Doreen;746555]I think alot of us feel the same way. I just have a thing for someone calling people worthless when all they are doing is trying better the lives of their childern. That is not a worthless person. Go to prisons or a KKK meeting (Nascars typical Sat Night) to find Worthless people.

Pardon me for not paying close attention to everything you post.:rolleyes: There are not enough hours in the day to read every single one of your epistle to the Romans posts. If you wrote anything bordering on unfavorable about our current POTUS and company, I missed it. I'm sorry.:)

Then I wouldn't act like the expert regarding what I say ;)

I'll take it under advisement so long as you stop telling anyone who dares disagress with you to, "get a clue."