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AeWingnut 01-13-2011 06:56 PM

In a word Classless
 
for people that don't like the current administration and so on

http://www.floppingaces.net/2011/01/...ord-classless/

timmgirvan 01-13-2011 07:59 PM

he actually talked about running in 2012?

Riot 01-13-2011 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 742456)
for people that don't like the current administration and so on

http://www.floppingaces.net/2011/01/...ord-classless/

Seriously? You actually believe that website?

Seriously?

Riot 01-13-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 742464)
he actually talked about running in 2012?

No, he didn't. And he didn't create or hand out those t-shirts, either. Wing readily believes everything he reads on the internet, without question.

If you haven't watched that speech, you should. It's all over the internet.

Danzig 01-13-2011 09:19 PM

the school bought and distributed the shirts. an odd decision since this was supposed to be a memorial service, not a rally.

AeWingnut 01-13-2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742473)
Seriously? You actually believe that website?

Seriously?

ok, I qualified this post by stating it was for people that do not like this administration

second

Seriously

someone who uses DailyKOS and Media Matters wants to comment....

the webpage is about using horsey terms Classless

third

I believe everything on the internet

:rolleyes:

Riot 01-13-2011 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 742487)
the school bought and distributed the shirts. an odd decision since this was supposed to be a memorial service, not a rally.

I thought it strange, too, the crowd acting how it did at first (the applause) and you could tell the first speakers did, too. But apparently that's the way the 14,000 attendees wanted to act. The speakers have no control over how the crowd acts. All the speakers were respectful, remembering, and non-political. That's obvious to anybody that watched it.

I have no problem with the tee shirts, as no, it wasn't a funeral event, it was a community coming together in tragedy, being supportive. I recall the same thing (tee shirts) happened here right after the airplane crash, within days. Shows community support for the relatives, etc.

Riot 01-13-2011 10:12 PM

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ok, I qualified this post by stating it was for people that do not like this administration
Just a community service, for you to forward the current Michelle Malkin right wing conspiracy theory talking point about Obama, essentially dissing the entire memorial service, outright lying about the "political" aspect, and lying about the source of the shirts? for the people that don't like Obama?

Awfully nice of you ;) We wouldn't want to, you know, hold onto the feelings of community and national spirit, and warmth for those lost and those living, when we can go right back into the gutter of lies and political defamation with Michelle Malkin.

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Seriously

someone who uses DailyKOS and Media Matters wants to comment....

the webpage is about using horsey terms Classless
Sure it is. You posted that here in Politics because of the ... horsey terms.

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third

I believe everything on the internet
Do you believe this story? Or are you purposely posting lies about the President and the memorial service here for fun? Pick one. And either way, "classless" describes far more than this story.

timmgirvan 01-13-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742498)
Just a community service, for you to forward the current Michelle Malkin right wing conspiracy theory talking point about Obama, essentially dissing the entire memorial service, outright lying about the "political" aspect, and lying about the source of the shirts? for the people that don't like Obama?

Awfully nice of you ;) We wouldn't want to, you know, hold onto the feelings of community and national spirit, and warmth for those lost and those living, when we can go right back into the gutter of lies and political defamation with Michelle Malkin.



Sure it is. You posted that here in Politics because of the ... horsey terms.



Do you believe this story? Or are you purposely posting lies about the President and the memorial service here for fun? Pick one. And either way, "classless" describes far more than this story.

What,pray tell, does Michelle Malkin have to do with this?

Riot 01-13-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 742509)
What,pray tell, does Michelle Malkin have to do with this?

Malkin started the lie that "Obama people made up the tee shirts" and turned it into a political rally.

And when Malkin was clearly corrected by the University of Arizona today (heck, even Fox News debunked that lie today), Malkin said she "didn't believe it" and kept spreading that there was Obama team involvement in the tees.

Wing posted a blog from one of the true believers forwarding those lies, the blogger also added the falsehood that Obama turned it into a 2012-type political rally. Even Fox News and Charles Krauthammer said no to that lie.

Face it: Obama was invited, he gave a terrific speech, as did the other speakers there who read scripture, everyone in the country loved the evening, except a few haters like Malkin who, less than 24-hours later, are going right back into the political gutter.

Politico has a good story about the mood in the auditorium ("Mourning Turns to Cheers at Arizona Rally") including comments from the University President and the mayor, who said:

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Asked if the mood was appropriate, Tucson Mayor Bob Walkup, a Republican, didn’t hesitate: “Oh yes. Yes! If there was one thing that was appropriate, it was cheering. I’ve been in the hospital, and the people that are healing, they want to hear people cheer.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1Az92G2R7

timmgirvan 01-13-2011 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742514)
Malkin started the lie that "Obama people made up the tee shirts" and turned it into a political rally.

And when Malkin was clearly corrected by the University of Arizona today (heck, even Fox News debunked that lie today), Malkin said she "didn't believe it" and kept spreading that there was Obama team involvement in the tees.

Wing posted a blog from one of the true believers forwarding those lies, the blogger also added the falsehood that Obama turned it into a 2012-type political rally. Even Fox News and Charles Krauthammer said no to that lie.

Face it: Obama was invited, he gave a terrific speech, as did the other speakers there who read scripture, everyone in the country loved the evening, except a few haters like Malkin who, less than 24-hours later, are going right back into the political gutter.

Politico has a good story about the mood in the auditorium ("Mourning Turns to Cheers at Arizona Rally") including comments from the University President and the mayor, who said:



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1Az92G2R7

You are definately an enigma!

Riot 01-13-2011 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 742518)
You are definately an enigma!

Well, I was raised Protestant, but it's not unusual to switch later in life.

SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 05:18 AM

Here's a little Malkin for ya.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41178

AeWingnut 01-14-2011 06:20 AM

The University of Arizona needs to be stripped of all public funding immediately
the teachers and administration need to be fired
the students should not be allowed to vote until after the age of 26
ok 36

Antitrust32 01-14-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 742543)
The University of Arizona needs to be stripped of all public funding immediately
the teachers and administration need to be fired
the students should not be allowed to vote until after the age of 26
ok 36

hey now. it's a great university to attend.

Riot 01-14-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 742538)

Michelle's a predictable joy, isn't she?

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Glenn Beck named as influence in three thwarted assassination attempts by purpetrators:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201101130002

SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 11:27 AM

Why hasn't Beck been charged with conspiracy to commit murder? Looks like the facts are in. Media Matters! That's about as unbiased as you will see on the Left. Doesn't Soros fund that? There is someone of importance at Tides Foundation? I didn't know. Oh that's right, they write the bills that Congress passes without reading. Also funded by Soros. Mathews is someone you can bank on giving you the Real Story!

Riot 01-14-2011 11:32 AM

Wh
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Why hasn't Beck been charged with conspiracy to commit murder?
Why would he be, under the law?

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Looks like the facts are in. Media Matters! That's about as unbiased as you will see on the Left.
Sorta like Michelle Malkin being unbiased as you will see on the right, like the stuff you posted. That was the point ;)

At least much of the stuff Media Matters lists is in court records.

Riot 01-14-2011 11:58 AM

Jon Stewart, of course, succinctly nails those that just can't keep from dissing the President, even about the University of Arizona service, or can't keep from dissing the very service itself.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...011-ron-howard

geeker2 01-14-2011 01:03 PM

Here another dissing of the President by that Ba$tard Beck !! Has he no heart !!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/0...es-of-america/

Riot 01-14-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 742594)
Here another dissing of the President by that Ba$tard Beck !! Has he no heart !!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/0...es-of-america/

Beck was surprisingly kind, talking about the man he's publicly labeled a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people.

But, but, but ... what does Reince Priebus think? ~

SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 742594)
Here another dissing of the President by that Ba$tard Beck !! Has he no heart !!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/0...es-of-america/

Most of the things said about Beck are not close to being true. It's to keep people from hearing what he has to say. It might open up their eyes just a little. I have never heard a call to arms from Beck. Just the opposite actually , he calls for non-violence.

SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742574)




Sorta like Michelle Malkin being unbiased as you will see on the right, like the stuff you posted. That was the point ;)

At least much of the stuff Media Matters lists is in court records.

Please post the court records where Beck caused some idiot to attempt an assassination. That was your point wasn't it? What part of Malkins editorial was untrue? It was an opinion piece Riot.

geeker2 01-14-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742692)
Beck was surprisingly kind, talking about the man he's publicly labeled a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people.

But, but, but ... what does Reince Priebus think? ~

I love you too Riot!!

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SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag (Post 742707)
my head hurts
republicans are not only the backbone but the bane of horseracing
what did the t-shirts SAY?

I hate Republicans! If it weren't for Democrats I would never vote for one!

Danzig 01-14-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 742703)
Most of the things said about Beck are not close to being true. It's to keep people from hearing what he has to say. It might open up their eyes just a little. I have never heard a call to arms from Beck. Just the opposite actually , he calls for non-violence.



he calls for non-violence? hmm....


Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing [filmmaker] Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

From the May 17 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

geeker2 01-14-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 742757)
he calls for non-violence? hmm....


Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing [filmmaker] Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

From the May 17 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.


It was tongue in cheek...

everyone needs to lighten the fucl< up..on all sides !!!!

SOREHOOF 01-14-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 742757)
he calls for non-violence? hmm....


Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing [filmmaker] Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"

From the May 17 broadcast of The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

I had close relatives running for their lives and watching their friends die at too young of an age at Columbine. Moore is on my not too cool list after that flick. Thanks anyway. I don't want to see any harm come to him though, freedom of speech trumps all. I believe that.

Riot 01-14-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 742703)
Most of the things said about Beck are not close to being true. It's to keep people from hearing what he has to say. It might open up their eyes just a little. I have never heard a call to arms from Beck. Just the opposite actually , he calls for non-violence.

You mean this week he "calls for non-violence". Otherwise, you mean like when he joked about poisoning Nancy Pelosi? Or talked about wanting to kill Michael Moore? Or told people they may have to take up arms?

Glenn Beck is a television and radio shock-jock. He plays to his audience with theatre.

Riot 01-14-2011 09:43 PM

[quote]
Quote:

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 742704)
Please post the court records where Beck caused some idiot to attempt an assassination. That was your point wasn't it?

Huh? I never said that. No, that wasn't my point. Little paranoid, there? :D However, if you read the bottom of the Media Matters site I posted, it quotes court records with the perpetrators mentioning Glenn Beck as a contributor to the perpetrator's plan of violence.

Does that make Glenn personally responsible? No. But Beck should stop advising people to harm others. Like killing Tides. That didn't work too well for him, did it?

Like Bill O'Reilly calling Tiller a baby killer repeatedly, and saying someone should take him out. Well, someone finally did, Bill. The guy was shot dead at his church.

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What part of Malkins editorial was untrue? It was an opinion piece Riot.
Yes, I know it was an opinion piece. I never said any of it was untrue. I simply posted an "opinion piece" from the "other side". You really didn't like that.

Riot 01-14-2011 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 742764)
It was tongue in cheek...

everyone needs to lighten the fucl< up..on all sides !!!!

It may have been "tongue in cheek", but read the Media Matters link I posted, down at the bottom, where three people arrested for threatening violence say listening to Glenn Beck talk about it influenced them. The crazy latch onto anything.

Talking about killing people you don't like, politically, for ratings, is wrong. It's creates an environment where violence becomes socially acceptable. Even Sarah Palin said, in her famous last speech of her political career two days ago, that words can cause violence (about the only thing I agreed with in her victim screed). Palin should know, she got a whole lot of people angry and worked up last August over imaginary "death panels" - a lie she told to get people angry and worked up.

It's not a joke. We don't need to lighten the fucl< up - some need to tone down talking about killing people.

Riot 01-14-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 742799)
I had close relatives running for their lives and watching their friends die at too young of an age at Columbine. Moore is on my not too cool list after that flick. Thanks anyway. I don't want to see any harm come to him though, freedom of speech trumps all. I believe that.

No. Freedom of speech does not trump all. This is a democracy. Other people have rights to freedom that are greater than your mouth. That is the point. Freedom of speech doesn't trump being able to yell "fire" in a theatre. Neither does it trump terroristic threatening (as several have learned just this past week after they were arrested)

Riot 01-14-2011 10:07 PM

Black GOP Official Resigns, Citing Arizona Tea Party Threats

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The sole black Republican Party district chairman in Arizona resigned from his post in the wake of Saturday's shooting, citing threats from the Tea Party faction and concerns for his family's safety, The Arizona Republic first reported.

Republican District 20 Chairman Anthony Miller was not the only party official to resign following the shooting that killed six and wounded 14 others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and a federal judge.

But Miller had been an especially dedicated campaigner for the GOP, and said he only stepped down in the face of "constant verbal attacks" and other forms of intimidation.

"I wasn't going to resign but decided to quit after what happened Saturday," he said. "I love the Republican Party but I don't want to take a bullet for anyone."

Miller, 43, told HuffPost he decided to resign after his wife expressed concern for their safety. Miller had been the target of heavy criticism from Arizona Tea Partyers, in part because he worked on Sen. John McCain's campaign last fall. (The Tea Partyers favored McCain's opponent, J.D. Hayworth.)

But the attacks also took on a racial hue. One critic referred to him derogatorily as "McCain's boy," Miller said. Other language was even less ambiguous. At an event in Lake Havasu City, Ariz., Miller said someone called out, "There's Anthony, get a rope.".
At Arizona Republic and Huffington Post

geeker2 01-14-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 742828)
It may have been "tongue in cheek", but read the Media Matters link I posted, down at the bottom, where three people arrested for threatening violence say listening to Glenn Beck talk about it influenced them. The crazy latch onto anything.

Talking about killing people you don't like, politically, for ratings, is wrong. It's creates an environment where violence becomes socially acceptable. Even Sarah Palin said, in her famous last speech of her political career two days ago, that words can cause violence (about the only thing I agreed with in her victim screed). Palin should know, she got a whole lot of people angry and worked up last August over imaginary "death panels" - a lie she told to get people angry and worked up.

It's not a joke. We don't need to lighten the fucl< up - some need to tone down talking about killing people.


And who will decide what is right or wrong or if the tone is right? you Riot?

Is it only right if it's what you believe? Perhaps I like to listen to what Glenn Beck says or Howard Stern or Steve Byk? Where does it end Riot - where you say it ends? Where you say the tone is right?

No thanks Riot No thanks !!

I am gonna have to hit you with a gfy.

geeker2 01-14-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag (Post 742852)
im gonna havta get clyde if u guys dnstfu

I could load my gun with a gfy for you too :p:{>:


Does the "load my gun" make you want to kill someone?

Riot 01-14-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 742846)
And who will decide what is right or wrong or if the tone is right? you Riot?

Is it only right if it's what you believe? Perhaps I like to listen to what Glenn Beck says or Howard Stern or Steve Byk? Where does it end Riot - where you say it ends? Where you say the tone is right?

No thanks Riot No thanks !!

I am gonna have to hit you with a gfy.

And I'm gonna have to throw your silly immature gfy back in your face. You make the additional point that some people apparently don't have the intelligence to debate issues without turning to personal attack.

Society decides what's right or wrong. It always has. Talking about killing people in the public eye, for ratings, as a joke, is wrong. Society is all over that right now. You are free to keep defending it.

I've never seen anybody say you can't listen to Glenn Beck. But if he wants to talk about killing people, he shouldn't get too upset when his fellow Americans exercise their freedom of speech and call him out publically to be a dangerous, violence-inciting jackass, and threaten his job because they don't want to hear that crap on the airwaves about racists, and killing people, and "someone ought to go blow them away". Freedom of speech goes both ways.

The overwhelming theme of Sarah Palin's 7-minute victim screed was that she really, really doesn't like being on the receiving end of her very own political methods. It was hilarious. The far right hysterics can dish it out, but damn, they can't take their own medicine.

geeker2 01-15-2011 07:21 AM

it was tongue in cheek - like Glenn Beck

everybody needs to lighten up ...see what I mean


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