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The Indomitable DrugS 12-09-2010 03:35 PM

Tampa Bay Downs Opening Day
 
Janet Del Castillo looks pretty strong in the 5th.

3kings 12-09-2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732203)
Janet Del Castillo looks pretty strong in the 5th.

lol You got me. As I was scrolling through the pp's I was thinking this horse must be something because there are a few decent horses in here. Vegas should have a head to head bet between the 4 and 10.

Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732203)
Janet Del Castillo looks pretty strong in the 5th.

I think she is really PG in drag:


Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2010 07:01 PM

At least you can buy her book on how to accomplish this

The Indomitable DrugS 12-09-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 732270)
At least you can buy her book on how to accomplish this

I did.

I'm the only sucker on earth who would buy a book on how to train horses authored by Janet Del Castillo.

Everything she wrote - I just assume the opposite is true.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-09-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 732254)
lol You got me. As I was scrolling through the pp's I was thinking this horse must be something because there are a few decent horses in here. Vegas should have a head to head bet between the 4 and 10.

Yeah - you'd hate to risk a horse like that by running it for a tag.

GPK 12-09-2010 08:20 PM

She makes Ida Paquette look like Rudy Rodriguez.

Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732301)
I did.

I'm the only sucker on earth who would buy a book on how to train horses authored by Janet Del Castillo.

Everything she wrote - I just assume the opposite is true.

I've never had the opportunity to meet her, but I'm hoping she is throwback hippie with the dankest, stickiest in all of Tampa...That would make a lot of sense, and endear me to her :{>:

Otherwise I'd be sadly disappointed.

GPK 12-09-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 732309)
I've never had the opportunity to meet her, but I'm hoping she is throwback hippie with the dankest, stickiest in all of Tampa...That would make a lot of sense, and endear me to her :{>:

Otherwise I'd be sadly disappointed.

You are one sick son of a b*tch. God, I love you.

Scav 12-09-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 732309)
I've never had the opportunity to meet her, but I'm hoping she is throwback hippie with the dankest, stickiest in all of Tampa...That would make a lot of sense, and endear me to her :{>:

Otherwise I'd be sadly disappointed.

I've seen her before, and I also saw how she sends out her horses. We were in the same race last year when I was down there and it was disgraceful. Horse looked like he could have survived in the South Pole with all the hair he had him, ended up heat stroking after the race also.

Come to think about it, it looked like the horse had some of those crusted rotting dreads that some of those hippies rock.

Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 732316)
You are one sick son of a b*tch. God, I love you.

:cool: Get yer asz down here!!!

Rudeboyelvis 12-09-2010 10:23 PM

Actually a great betting race - the Filmmaker colt will take all the action, but Goncalves' mount 1st turf is as live as the day is long - and 8-1 may well hold up...like the 2 an awful bit as well.

Habersham000 12-09-2010 10:52 PM

Its nice to have a morning line odds maker thats gives a horse like that a 50-1...most tracks would have that rat at 20-1 just so people don't think its an unbettable race because of that horse or even have it at 30-1 is just unrealistic and a disservice to the betting public

Scav 12-09-2010 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Habersham000 (Post 732360)
Its nice to have a morning line odds maker thats gives a horse like that a 50-1...most tracks would have that rat at 20-1 just so people don't think its an unbettable race because of that horse or even have it at 30-1 is just unrealistic and a disservice to the betting public

I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

Cannon Shell 12-10-2010 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 732361)
I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

philcski 12-10-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 732379)
There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

Doesn't Churchill only run 10 max in non-stake 5F turf sprints as well? And that course can obviously handle large fields.

MISTERGEE 12-10-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 732379)
There is no excuse for them not to split that stakes except being cheap.

Obviously Del Castillo and others in the similar habit of running hopeless horses are nice to run against but it is ultra frustrating when you can't get in a race and there are 3 or 4 absolutely dogs in there.

The irony is that they will use 12 horses in grass stakes going long in and 14 horse fields in dirt stakes. This was explained why to me one time but the explanation was so ridiclous I immediately struck it from my mind. If the rails are down there is no reason to not run 12.

Del Castillo, is actually on a normal hot streak for her, since 2008 she is 1 for 192 and since 1983, That is 27 great years of training she has won 58 races Yes, believe it or not with this record she does have a book published on training which I believe is titled the "Backyard Training" or something close to that. A couple years ago she had a horse called Shrimp Tempura which actullay had a good record. I always figured if it were trained by a normal everyday trainer we would of had another Zenyatta on our hands. By the way can someone explain to me how she would get assorted owners over that many years to give her horses to train?

The Indomitable DrugS 12-10-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 732491)
By the way can someone explain to me how she would get assorted owners over that many years to give her horses to train?

I don't know - but having read her book a while ago - she doesn't believe in a lot of different medications, vetting, and injections ... and doesn't think the race track is the best place to train a horse.

freddymo 12-10-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732494)
I don't know - but having read her book a while ago - she doesn't believe in a lot of different medications, vetting, and injections ... and doesn't think the race track is the best place to train a horse.

Does she believe in the easter bunny?

The Indomitable DrugS 12-10-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 732495)
Does she believe in the easter bunny?

For a mere $700 - you can ask her that question and many others... as she'll divulge the secrets to her 1-for-192 training record since 2008..and how she has racked up 58 wins in 27 years of training.

http://www.horseinfo.com/info/people/castillo.html

phystech 12-10-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 732361)
I can't say that I don't love running against her horses down there, but all she does is clutter up a full entry box, in regards to their turf races down there.

LOL, 37 entered in a 2 year old MSW Turf race and 19 entered in a 5f stakes race, and they can only go 10 deep, and they aren't costing themselves money. WIDEN THE TURF COURSE or change something to be able to run 12 per race on the lawn.

I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

Rudeboyelvis 12-10-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech (Post 732602)
I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

My guess is so they can brag about handle.... Jus' sayin'.... they can pass that back to the gambler in lowered takeout and the Owners/Trainers still show up - what exactly is the complaint?

Habersham000 12-10-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phystech (Post 732602)
I'd guess most of these horses are simply entered to earn a date with no intention, or hope, of actually running in the race. See it all the time......

Why do Tampa purses still suck, bigtime? They brag about handle and then chump out on their purses......

Earn a date? Wouldn't it have been easier just to have put the papers in the racing office to earn a date? Scratching a horse usually gives a horse a scratch date which is worse then a run date or putting your papers in the office at most tracks and might be put on a list for a certain amount of days and can't run anywhere...don't see any good or heard of anyone ever just putting a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date.

Scav 12-10-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Habersham000 (Post 732606)
Earn a date? Wouldn't it have been easier just to have put the papers in the racing office to earn a date? Scratching a horse usually gives a horse a scratch date which is worse then a run date or putting your papers in the office at most tracks and might be put on a list for a certain amount of days and can't run anywhere...don't see any good or heard of anyone ever just putting a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date.

Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

Rudeboyelvis 12-10-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 732610)
Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

Not to mention that the condition book is nothing more than a vague suggestion after the first two weeks - pretty much everything thereafter is written off the overnights...

Habersham000 12-10-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 732610)
Yo, things are run differently down there. Its very unique. They have all sorts of dates and that is why turf races especially are a pain in the ass to get into, especially if there is an off the turf race because if you run in an off the turf race, you get a special date which trumps all.

All in all, it is a fun track to go and bs with the Don of Tampa and Exacta Bob, but running there is cost prohibitive

Well any track with a turf course that takes the race off the turf will either give you a super date or your old date back, which will more than likely get you back into the race the next time around...and if you get your papers in before the first day of the meet you should get a Zero Dirt and a Zero Turf date...whats different about that then at Tampa?

There was no point for anyone to put a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date when you already have a zero date in the case for the Del Castillo horse. A zero date is the best possible date you can have.

Its such a crap shoot to get in a race like that the first couple times it goes because its a popular race and everyone is going to have a zero date who wants to go in...you have to hope the racing gods help you out and get your entry pulled out of the box into the body of the race.

Scav 12-10-2010 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Habersham000 (Post 732614)
Well any track with a turf course that takes the race off the turf will either give you a super date or your old date back, which will more than likely get you back into the race the next time around...and if you get your papers in before the first day of the meet you should get a Zero Dirt and a Zero Turf date...whats different about that then at Tampa?

There was no point for anyone to put a horse in a race just to scratch to get a date when you already have a zero date in the case for the Del Castillo horse. A zero date is the best possible date you can have.

Its such a crap shoot to get in a race like that the first couple times it goes because its a popular race and everyone is going to have a zero date who wants to go in...you have to hope the racing gods help you out and get your entry pulled out of the box into the body of the race.

Dude, I hear ya, but we are probably entering The Magic Bus in the first MSW down there on the dirt just to get a date, and the horse is at Philly Park for the winter.

Tampa is like no other, there is no rhyme or reason why their office does what they do or how they do it

The Indomitable DrugS 12-11-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 732254)
Vegas should have a head to head bet between the 4 and 10.

Janet's horse would have lost that head to head by almost 30 lengths. Offically, last beaten 50 lengths today.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101211&RN=5

3kings 12-11-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732822)
Janet's horse would have lost that head to head by almost 30 lengths. Offically, last beaten 50 lengths today.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101211&RN=5

lol The 4 in finishing 2nd to last looks good by comparison. Will the 4 actually get a Beyer figure >0?

MISTERGEE 12-12-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 732822)
Janet's horse would have lost that head to head by almost 30 lengths. Offically, last beaten 50 lengths today.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20101211&RN=5

yeah, but he had an excuse, he stopped
banked $170 in purse


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