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Alan07

12-08-2010 11:17 AM

Woodbine Increases its Handle Again in 2010

For the second consecutive year, Woodbine Entertainment Group (WEG) is announcing a sharp increase in betting handle on its live Thoroughbred racing season.

The 167-day meet, which concluded December 5, saw an "all-sources" total of $393,507,233 wagered, a stunning 8.9 per cent overall rise from the $361,435,208 figure recorded from the 167 dates offered last year.

It comes after a solid 7.0 percent hike in handle seen in 2009 over 2008.

"We are pleased with the sustained gains in handle," said Sean Pinsonneault, WEG's Chief Operating Officer. "To see a seven per cent rise in 2009 and an 8.9 per cent jump this year against the softness in the betting marketplace is significant."

http://www.woodbineentertainment.com...d-cdb1707da33c

randallscott35

12-08-2010 11:19 AM

Tar sands are great business.

richard

12-08-2010 11:32 AM

Good Management is the key to any successful enterprise .

Scav	12-08-2010 01:43 PM

Um, this has alot to do with Vegas finally taking their broadcast, this was the first year you could bet Woodbine out there.

randallscott35

12-08-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 731791)

Um, this has alot to do with Vegas finally taking their broadcast, this was the first year you could bet Woodbine out there.

I assume every track can give a breakdown from where their handle is coming from....would love to see it in this case.

richard

12-08-2010 02:23 PM

If it's a private business you won't see it . If it's a public entity you might . Does Woodbine televise in HD or 3D ?

ateamstupid

12-08-2010 07:17 PM

It's all because of TRAKUS and POLY.

CSC	12-09-2010 08:58 AM

I wasn't impressed with their product this year, not enough turf races carded, an over emphasis of keeping the portable rail up year round with the exception of big race days stunk.

johnny pinwheel

12-09-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 731791)

Um, this has alot to do with Vegas finally taking their broadcast, this was the first year you could bet Woodbine out there.

yeah, but like someone else said....its good creative managment. making excuses and getting screwed by the state or other entities (like NY and NJ) are going through, during tough times to boot.......that ship will sink or die a slow death! i'm actually starting to think that there are forces against horse racing selling the excuses like yours.(they are doing better because of A or B) who cares????....they are doing GOOD business $$$$$....instead of crying, try to emulate what a winner does. we USED to be the CAN DO people... if i said this in Ny too loud they might commit me......we actually had an assh6le up here walk out when it was time to vote. i don't even care which side he took, this spineless loser walked away!!!! this is the age we live under people!...they always sell US (the people) a sob story...please don't buy into it. i commend them for doing well.....why can't things get MANAGED right here?????? thats what people should be asking and LOUDLY!

Scav	12-09-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel (Post 732071)

yeah, but like someone else said....its good creative managment. making excuses and getting screwed by the state or other entities (like NY and NJ) are going through, during tough times to boot.......that ship will sink or die a slow death! i'm actually starting to think that there are forces against horse racing selling the excuses like yours.(they are doing better because of A or B) who cares????....they are doing GOOD business $$$$$....instead of crying, try to emulate what a winner does. if i said this in Ny too loud they might commit me......we actually had an assh6le up here walk out when it was time to vote. i don't even care which side he took, this spineless loser walked away!!!!...they always sell US (the people) a sob story...please don't buy into it. i commend them for doing well.....why can't things get MANAGED right here??????

Um, I don't think they gave that as the reason why they did it, I just know that for the first time evah, you were allowed to bet Woodbine (TB and Jughead) in Vegas, which is obviously a heavy market when it comes to horse wagering.

Its common sense that this is a valid reason for the increase

richard

12-09-2010 10:21 AM

What's the reason for the 7% hike in 2009 handle over 2008 ? No Vegas factor there .

NTamm1215

12-09-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by richard (Post 732073)

What's the reason for the 7% hike in 2009 handle over 2008 ? No Vegas factor there .

TVG

Scav	12-09-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 732077)

TVG

stop making sense

pmayjr

12-14-2010 12:18 AM

What about the fact that their field sizes and the depth within their fields were solid. Whether it was one of their crappy 10kN2L claiming races or a high level allowance. They had an ass-ton of nice, deep bettable races.

pmayjr

12-14-2010 12:19 AM

And was it just me, or were they put in the AM DRF a lot more than in past years?

CSC	12-14-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 733824)

Woodbine was a key track in the Breeder's Cup, generating huge payouts in several races? 6 of 18 in the money for 33% including two winners generating a flat bet profit on both win, place, and show wagers. Also, perhaps more pointedly to your argument, 4 of these 6 finishers did so on turf. Hardly seems like the product was poor....

Breeders' Cup Marathon (Gr. III), $500,000 1 3/4 miles
1. 4-Eldaafer $23.20, $12.00, $7.00
2.6-Gabriel's Hill $25.40 $13.20
3.12-Au Minor $5.20

Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf (Gr. II); $1M; 1 mile (T)
1.11-More Than Real $29.20, $9.20, $5.80
2. 7-Winter Memories $3.60, $2.60
3. 4-Kathmanblu $3.60

Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (Gr.I); $2M; 1 1/16 miles
1. 4-Awesome Feather $10.40, $5.40, $4.00
2. 3-R Heat Lightning $6.20, $4.20
3. 9-Delightful Mary $7.60

Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (Gr.II); $1M; 1 mile (T)
1. 13-Pluck $14.80, $6.60, $5.00
2. 9-Soldat $5.20, $4.00
3. 7-Willcox Inn $8.80

Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint (Gr. II); $1M; 5 furlongs (T)
1. 1-Chamberlain Bridge $15.80, $8.20, $5.60
2. 2-Central City $9.80, $7.80
3. 4-Unzip Me $7.00

TVG Breeders' Cup Mile (Gr.I); $2M; 1 mile (T)
1. 10-Goldikova $4.60, $3.20, $2.40
2. 3-Gio Ponti $4.00, $3.20
3. 7-The Usual Q.T. $6.60

Biofuel, Fatal Bullet, Ventura, Sealy Hill also in previous years. I hear your point Rare Bog, I only wish they carded more turf races. This is one area Saratoga and Belmont really get it right. It's a peeve of mine why they keep that portable rail up all year round saving the inner lanes for only 2 or 3 race days. Quite puzzling to have such wonderful turf course and not use it to it's full potential, that's all I am saying.

odbaxter

12-16-2010 08:55 PM

I live here in Toronto and there is a serious, hard core marketing push in the last 2 years going on. I'm not sure who is in charge of this change but he/she is heading for a major promotion. Lots of Television adds in Primetime across all major networks. Print adds in all the Daily Newspapers, combined with an almost cornered slot machine market in a city of almost 3 million. I see another 8-10% in 2011.

We need more grass racing. No doubt!

the_fat_man

12-16-2010 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 731941)

It's all because of TRAKUS and POLY.

Don't be BITTER, Joey. :rolleyes:

Just because some people (well, actually, MANY, given the increase in handle the past two years) appreciate accurate data and a well run operation, including the best stewards in the game, it doesn't mean that the NYRA/DRF/BEYER crew does. :rolleyes:

CSC	12-17-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by odbaxter (Post 734464)

Do you remember the old inner and marshall turf courses there? If you ask me, I thought the turf racing was better then. The misconception about the new course is it favours closers, but in actuality front runners do well on the new course.

odbaxter

12-17-2010 02:20 PM

I started watching after the track was reconfigured. I find that it plays friendly to front runners as well. They tend to be way over protective of the turf and during the week days seem to restrict it to 1 or 2 grass races a day, if that. With the field sizes as big as they are I would imagine that they could really boost the handle if they carded grass more aggressively.

Round Pen

12-17-2010 04:35 PM

We have Raced a Woodbine For Several Years and One thing I thought Would Work Really Well If they Would Do it(But know they never Will).

1st IS too Stop Running Harness Races at Woodbine and Keep them Strictly at Mohawk, Most of the harness people hate the shipping part every day anyway.

2nd I would take the harness track which I believe is 7/8's of a mile and turn it into a dirt track that way you could race on all three surfaces (Dirt, Poly and turf) and when the Weather is good you could card races on all three.

THere also would be alot of options for a racing Secretary when you would have all 3 surfaces.

Like I said its just a thought I feel certain that it will never happen

CSC	12-18-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 734719)

Interesting idea making the 7/8 track as a third surface, didn't they use this track when they were in the process of installing the polytrack? They used to race at a 2nd track called Greenwood racetrack, it was a little bullring that was better suited for the standardbreds, unfortunately they did away with it and this forced Woodbine to become a multifaceted facility. I'm not a fan of standardbreds, Woodbine is probably the only major track that oversaturates itself with too many products. I think they would do better if they would just concentrate on the T breds, focus on turf racing as EP Taylor's vision was, and why not race in the winter or atleast extend the dates, they have that all weather track?

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