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tjfla 12-03-2010 03:59 PM

Fly Down to Donn
 
According to DRF,Fly Down is pointed to the Donn so we will see him at least once more before he ships to Dubai and never comes back

The Indomitable DrugS 12-03-2010 04:13 PM

They are really going to Dubai with him? He's going to get crushed over there...especially on that Tapeta.

Why run away from a historically weak older male division at home?

PatCummings 12-03-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 730041)
They are really going to Dubai with him? He's going to get crushed over there...especially on that Tapeta.

Why run away from a historically weak older male division at home?

Dubai seems a foregone conclusion...he is now owned by Saudi interests. Frankly, I'm surprised they aren't bringing him to Saudi for the King's Cup.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-03-2010 04:20 PM

They no longer call it 'The Custodian of the two Holy Mosques Cup' ?

Betsy 12-03-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 730040)
According to DRF,Fly Down is pointed to the Donn so we will see him at least once more before he ships to Dubai and never comes back

His owner is a Saudi Prince, so if he goes anywhere and never comes back (:mad:) it will be Saudi Arabia, not Dubai

Betsy 12-03-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 730041)
They are really going to Dubai with him? He's going to get crushed over there...especially on that Tapeta.

Why run away from a historically weak older male division at home?

Why would he get crushed over there? Also, the Donn could be the last time we see him here, so even if he didn't go to Dubai, there is no guarantee he'd be around to run away from the older horse division.

I liked this horse since the end of last year and it's a bummer to think that he probably won't stick around.

tjfla 12-03-2010 04:47 PM

I hear its Donn,Dubai and then who knows? But does not look good for him coming back

On the brightside Ice Box is also down in Florida:D

RolloTomasi 12-03-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 730053)
On the brightside Ice Box is also down in Florida:D

Maybe he and Pleasant Prince can renew their rivalry there.

Look to the left of the screen when the first horse hits the wire.

RockHardTen1985 12-03-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 730041)
They are really going to Dubai with him? He's going to get crushed over there...especially on that Tapeta.

Why run away from a historically weak older male division at home?


Because he is not that good. He will be at the mercy of the pace in many races.

RolloTomasi 12-03-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 730061)
Because he is not that good. He will be at the mercy of the pace in many races.

The horse has missed the board once since the Dwyer win (which was achieved off of moderate fractions). Most of the horses that beat him the last half of the season are retired.

letswastemoney 12-04-2010 03:57 AM

Fly Down looks solid from 10 F to 12 F. I think he'd finish in the money in the majority of his races if he stayed in America.

tjfla 12-04-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 730058)
Maybe he and Pleasant Prince can renew their rivalry there.

Look to the left of the screen when the first horse hits the wire.

Pleasant Prince are u kidding. He will win a Grade 3 in Jan against the 5th place horse in the Zia Derby and Ramsey will then ship him to Dubai

I hope that Ramsey or IEAH has 0 horses this year so I dont have to hear either of them talk

The Indomitable DrugS 12-04-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 730051)
Why would he get crushed over there?

Watch and see.

RolloTomasi 12-04-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 730279)
Pleasant Prince are u kidding. He will win a Grade 3 in Jan against the 5th place horse in the Zia Derby and Ramsey will then ship him to Dubai

I hope that Ramsey or IEAH has 0 horses this year so I dont have to hear either of them talk

IIRC correctly, Ice Box and Pleasant Prince ran against each other 3 straight times at Gulfstream Park and were separated by less than a length each time.

RockHardTen1985 12-04-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 730251)
Fly Down looks solid from 10 F to 12 F. I think he'd finish in the money in the majority of his races if he stayed in America.


So I guess he can point to the JCGC? Ok see you in 10 months for another clunk up 3rd in that race. Where else can he go 10-12f on dirt?

PatCummings 12-04-2010 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 730495)
So I guess he can point to the JCGC? Ok see you in 10 months for another clunk up 3rd in that race. Where else can he go 10-12f on dirt?

Riyadh, actually.

my miss storm cat 02-03-2012 10:18 PM

http://www.frusiya.com/english/raceresult.asp

The link is strange but click on meeting 48, R7.

Calzone Lord 02-03-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 836323)
http://www.frusiya.com/english/raceresult.asp

The link is strange but click on meeting 48, R7.

Fly Down was 2nd to some horse named Kreem in the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques today.

my miss storm cat 02-03-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 836326)
Fly Down was 2nd to some horse named Kreem in the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques today.

Yes that's why I posted the link. :D

Linny 02-03-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 730251)
Fly Down looks solid from 10 F to 12 F. I think he'd finish in the money in the majority of his races if he stayed in America.

Where could he go 10 - 12f here? Over there he might get "his" distance.

Calzone Lord 02-03-2012 10:39 PM

Here's Fly Down's chart:

http://www.frusiya.com/english/racer...eNo=7&PartNo=1

The race went in 2:29.13


A race at the same exact distance on the card restricted to Suadi breds won by a horse named Badr Alkawakib went in 2:30.48

http://www.frusiya.com/english/racer...eNo=6&PartNo=1

Badr Alkawakib was of course sired by...

قاطف(ايرلندا)

Out of the good race mare...

الغطريفه

In both races -- the field carried weight of "56"

my miss storm cat 02-03-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 836330)

Badr Alkawakib was of course sired by...

قاطف(ايرلندا)

Out of the good race mare...

الغطريفه

:tro:

Fulla Sheets 02-04-2012 05:18 AM

Video of Fly Downs race.

http://www.dubairacenight.com/kreem-...-in-kings-cup/

Unless you know Arabic, the mute button is recommended. Fly Down is #6 and breaks from post 3.

He still doesn't change leads in the stretch.

Calzone Lord 02-04-2012 09:20 AM

Hopefully he improves upon his 13th place finish in last years Dubai World Cup.

Great race call by that announcer, by the way.

PatCummings 02-04-2012 03:35 PM

There is absolutely no arguing that Fly Down was given an atrocious ride - he should've won with a little more patience. It was stone cold awful. He hit the lead with 5/16ths to go!??

Just a disgraceful ride from Johnny Murtagh. Not as bad as his ride on Soldier of Fortune in the Breeders' Cup Turf from 2008, which I'll argue is one of the worst rides in the history of the Breeders' Cup, but really bad.

PatCummings 02-04-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 836373)
Hopefully he improves upon his 13th place finish in last years Dubai World Cup.

Great race call by that announcer, by the way.

Not saying I understand it, but this guy is newer - the old guy literally yelled and screamed the entire race.

Calzone Lord 02-04-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 836467)
There is absolutely no arguing that Fly Down was given an atrocious ride - he should've won with a little more patience. It was stone cold awful. He hit the lead with 5/16ths to go!??

Just a disgraceful ride from Johnny Murtagh. Not as bad as his ride on Soldier of Fortune in the Breeders' Cup Turf from 2008, which I'll argue is one of the worst rides in the history of the Breeders' Cup, but really bad.

Fly Down had perfect position into the 1st turn -- he saved all the ground on both turns -- he made the lead willingly and had a clear trip. Assuming the rail wasn't dead -- I don't see a problem with that ride. The horse was struggling on his wrong lead late and may have an issue.

PatCummings 02-04-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 836563)
Fly Down had perfect position into the 1st turn -- he saved all the ground on both turns -- he made the lead willingly and had a clear trip. Assuming the rail wasn't dead -- I don't see a problem with that ride. The horse was struggling on his wrong lead late and may have an issue.

Fly Down did not save all the ground on both turns, especially not the second turn. He wasn't crazy wide, but I wouldn't term his trip a ground-saving one.

El Amarillista and Shibl Noofa (Amor De Pobre) were sent off as rabbits for Robust Wish, and I think it's pretty difficult to deny that Fly Down was too close to the pace. Because so many horses share common ownership, (there were eight owners of the 18 horses), team tactics are frequently used in racing there. Combine that with the profile of this race in previous years, the wide move is often times the most successful one.

In the end, I would've liked to see Fly Down win because of his past in the US, but I can tell you the owner doesn't care, cause he had the top two anyway. That being said, I still think it was a bum ride, especially in light of where the winner came from to win.

Calzone Lord 02-04-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 836584)
Fly Down did not save all the ground on both turns, especially not the second turn. He wasn't crazy wide, but I wouldn't term his trip a ground-saving one.

He was rail-rail in like an 18 horse field!

He came outside of one horse on the far turn briefly -- but that was it.

It was an excellent ride from a positional standpoint as well.


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