Can RoundPound beat Fleet Indian ??
 

Lets hope these two hook up in the distaff.

My question for you. Your opnion who wins this ?

I am crossing my fingers no problems come up in the near future, because I am dying to see these two go at it.

Won't hapeen. Fleet Indian is going to be sold in November. I highly doubt that she runs in the Breeders Cup Distaff.

However, if they did face off in the Distaff, I wouldnt bet either one of them to win. I would prob go with a closer like Balleto. There would be way too much speed in that race for Fleet Indian to go wire to wire and I dont think Round Pound is good enough.

The only question left to be answered by the Indian is if she can rate because shes been making easy leads in slow fractions. I think she can because she has in the past. Shes just so full of herself now and running so easily and running numbers that are so consistent, thats why she hasnt bounced yet. If she has a chink in her armor its that Santos rides her. Shes currently his only meal ticket and riders tend to make mistakes on meal ticket horses in crunch time when the pressures on. hes never been my favorite rider.

Neither, I'm going with Pine Island.

Of course shes running in the distaff!!! That sale is after the BC for a reason, because the year is basically done and sellers are gambling that they can get top bucks. Geez Euro wake up!! last year Ashado was announced as being sold in the same sale and she still ran in the BC. What sense does it make to pass up that kinda loot and possibly double the sales value of the horse? Shes running if she has all 4 legs that day.

I also think she can rate but Santos is a minus like you said. But there are some good horses in that division. Pine Island, Bushfire, Balletto, Happy Ticket, Oonagh McCool, Round Pound and Fleet Indian. It would be a real real good race. Not sure if the above horses would show up, but nonetheless it would be a good race.

I have heard this all before. I would not surprised that she doesnt run at all. I would be more surprised if she did run. I give it a 60-40 chance that she doesnt run.

Fleet Indian isnt the only nice horse Santos rides. Are you forgetting about War Front? Somehow he has earned himself the regular jockey of this very promising sprinter from the Chief.

Thanks for that Euro, you better let Todd and the owners know pronto because he says that they are shooting for the BC and a possible championship, LOL!! Noone turns down a lottery ticket like that. Shes a grade one winner and worth a locked in 2.5 mill easily no matter what she does now(thats the incredible bottom going rate for a grade one winning filly on the dirt, can you believe this bloodstock market?). They can double or triple her value if she wins the BCC and teh championshop and pick up another mill or more in purse money if she wins the race. Oh, by the way, she has to be shipped to Kentucky for the sale, thats where CD happens to be. If you are gonna ship for a November sale an hour away from where they run a zillion dollar race where you are gonna be one of the faves in, you usually consider the premise, lol. Shes not a colt Euro, her value can't go any lower, its locked in.

She certainly has improved since Pletcher took her. Not that she was chopped liver before that, but her improvement is crazy good. That race the other day at Saratoga was a total joke. I saw harness races later on in the evening more entertaining than that.

I know the value is locked in, but she is worth nothing if she injures herself and is put down. If it is locked in, then why even take the chance. That is my point. I don't care what Pletcher says or does. We all know you cant believe a trainer in this game. I still think it is 60-40 she doesnt race. And she will go for more than $2.5.

Euro you are being stubborn and obviously don't understand the bloodstock side of the game. Shes insured Euro, geez. If she goes down they still get the cash. Other than that they only have UPSIDE! Colts and horses can diminish in stud value with bad efforts, mares don't. Shoot once theyw in a grade one the first thing you do is call the bloodstock insurance agent and raise the value of the insurance.
Umm, you seeing the point?

I'm with Sightseek. Pine Island.

I know all of this. I own horses which you dont so I know about the insurance. I am not going to debate you on this as you cant tell me something that I already dont know. I just have a feeling she wont being going in the Distaff. That is all, plain and simple.

You know, I think you two prob have convinced me. She is really starting to round into great form. She sure is a sharp filly.

Now that she has gotten over her 2nditis, she is going to keep winning.

I have to agree with that 100%. Once a horse of her talent learns to win, it seems like they go on a huge streak. She sure did look good in her last race. I think that she will get a real nice pace to run at in the Distaff too. The race fits perfectly for her.

OOOHHHH, I see. Well I purchased a grade one winner as agent, you haven't, and since one of the owners explained to me about what she was appraised at after her grade one win for insurance purposes, I kinda know how it works.

Does anyone know anything about Happy Ticket? I havent seen her since the race at Churchill?

Oracle, you dont pay the bills. I dont care what you bought. Being an agent and actually having the financial reponsibility of paying the bills is two different things. Why dont you own any part of a horse?

she raced at Del Mar about a month ago...finished 2nd.

Thanks Kev. I appreciate the info. I should know to come to you for any info on a horse. You have to be the king of stable mail.

No prob....glad to help.:D

Stable mail is getting ready to have horse #55 added to the watch list thanks to a tip from a board member.

Euro give it up. We were having a debate and you tried to play the "I'm an owner so I know about these things card". Newsflash, owning part of a claimer does not make you an all knowing authority on everything equine, as evidenced from your earlier contention that they would be afraid to run the filly lest she breakdown and in your WORDS "but she is worth nothing if she injures herself and is put down. If it is locked in, then why even take the chance. That is my point."
Now, obviously you don't know a damn thing about graded stakes horses and their values. You said if she injures herself and is put down she is worth nothing.
Obviously you mispoke.

Have to keep us informed on horse #55 Kev. How is your back?

I never told you guys this but I won 10% of Butterface (I guess I own half her right front leg). Dont let it get around, I dont want to be asked for my autograph and equine advice. And I am really trying not to let this go to my head. Really I am.

Lord Oracle. I know about the insurance, but what she is prob insured for and what she can go for at the auction is different. She is prob insured for 1.5 to 2.5. She will go for double or more than that in an auction. Obviously you dont know anything about the open market. Oh, and being a agent of one graded horse doesnt make you the authority on everything that is equine. See Oracle, people like you take from the game and never put anything back into it. That is what we mid-west people call a leach.

Im thinking about buying into a partnership for a 5k claimer. Thus , that shows Im more in tune to the ins and outs of ownership than Ora. He had an explaination for all of your reasons for not running and you still wouldnt admit your error.

Well that is freaking awesome Gander.

It isnt an error. Lord, I just have a feeling that she wont run. Again, she will go for more than what she is insured. I know the value is locked in, but why take the risk is my point. She is going to go for prob 4.5mm or more. I dont feel that run in the BCC is going to increase her value compared to the risk. That is all I am saying. But we will see.

Thats pretty funny. You think shes only insured for that amount? Dream on. Owners of horses like that tend to insure at the highest possible appraisal that they can get. Lans educated me a little bit about this, having owned two grade one winners himself. I found it fascinating.
Just remember when she runs in the Cup I'm gonna pull this thread and jam it in your face.
As far as not putting anything back into the game, you obviosusly don't know a thing about the game, and your ignorance shows with each passing post.
Most people who sell a horse are thrilled to sell it. Thats why they are doing it. Most people who buy one, especially privately, define a goal but lack the time or resources to attempt it themselves. Its why they outsource to people who they trust to do it. I'd think that Sandy Robbins would say I've put a tremendous amount back into his game with that purchase. Shes appraised at ten times what they paid for her and shes already won that back and given them the thrill of winning at the highest level.

Back and legs feel WONDERFUL....so nice to live and walk pain free.

Thanks for asking.

Well what dont you enlighten me and tell me how much she is insured for? And I welcome the jamming. If she races then i am wrong. It is just a feeling is all.

I could only imagine. A guy at work just had back surgery. The man is 54 years old and was in so much pain. I have no idea what was wrong, something about something pressing on a nerve. But he seems to be doing much better. Good to hear you are pain free. That has to be nice.

I don't feel its my place to say that on here. Thats not anyone's business but the owners. Hoep you understand I am not copping out, but thats just how I feel.

i'm leaning in that direction myself!! like that filly a LOT.

based on what??? she's on a tremendous streak, beating all comers, the sale won't keep her out...so what in your mind will?

Ora, this thread proves you need to find a horse or two for Euro and help him establish the value. Or maybe you dont deal with someone that knows it all and want admit an error.

if she injures herself and gets put down, no sale...not enough reason not to run, that's what insurance is for! certainly that line of thinking didn't keep ashado out of the sale.

Again, it is a feeling. We will just wait and see.