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tjfla 11-24-2010 12:41 PM

11/27 (AQU): Cigar (G1); Gazelle, Remsen, Demoiselle (G2's)
 
6th (2:14) Demoiselle (G2)

1A Dixie City (VA) 2/F L J Lezcano 115 A W Dutrow
2A Summer Laugh (VA) 2/F L* J R Velazquez 119 T A Pletcher
3 Tap for Luck (KY) 2/F L D Cohen 115 T A Pletcher
4 Full Moon Blues (KY) 2/F L M Franklin 119 T J Tullock, Jr.
5 Light Your World (KY) 2/F L R Maragh 115 A W Dutrow
6 Believe in A. P. (KY) 2/F L R A Dominguez 115 R E Dutrow, Jr.


7th (2:42) Remsen (G2)

1 Buffum (PA) 2/C L1* D Cohen 116 T Albertrani
2 Pants On Fire (KY) 2/C L* J Castellano 116 K J Breen
3 Mountain Town (KY) 2/C L C H Velasquez 116 R E Dutrow, Jr.
4 Bandbox (NY) 2/C L R A Dominguez 118 R Jenkins
5 To Honor and Serve (KY) 2/C L J R Velazquez 120 W I Mott
6 Economic Summit (FL) 2/C L R Maragh 116 R A Violette, Jr.
7 Mucho Macho Man (FL) 2/C L E Coa 116 K Ritvo


8th (3:10) Gazelle (G2)

1 Awesome Maria (KY) 3/F L J R Velazquez 115 T A Pletcher
2 Belle of the Hall (FL) 3/F L D Cohen 115 T Albertrani
3 Quiet Temper (KY) 3/F L* J Castellano 119 D L Romans
4 Ms Vanenzza (KY) 3/F L C H Velasquez 115 J C Vazquez
5 Dubai Dancer (KY) 3/F L R A Dominguez 115 K P McLaughlin
6 Joanie's Catch (FL) 3/F L J Santiago 115 B R Rose
7 Seeking the Title (KY) 3/F L* R Maragh 117 D Stewart
8 No Such Word (KY) 3/F L T J Thompson 117 C Jones


9th (3:38) Cigar Mile (G1)

1 Girolamo (KY) 4/C L A Garcia 120 S bin Suroor
2 Soaring Empire (KY) 3/C L E S Prado 114 C M Gambolati
3 Bribon (FR) 7/G L J R Velazquez 119 T A Pletcher
4 Vineyard Haven (FL) 4/C L D Cohen 119 S bin Suroor
5 Haynesfield (NY) 4/C L* J Castellano 120 S M Asmussen
6 Jersey Town (KY) 4/C L C H Velasquez 114 B Tagg
7 Friend Or Foe (NY) 3/C L A O Solis 115 J C Kimmel
8 Musket Man (KY) 4/C L* R Maragh 117 D S Ryan
9 Half Metal Jacket (FL) 5/G L F Jara 115 R R Rodriguez

A - Coupled Entries - Girolamo, Vineyard Haven

RolloTomasi 11-24-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 726859)
Cigar Mile
1 Girolamo (KY) 4/C L A Garcia 120 S bin Suroor
2 Soaring Empire (KY) 3/C L E S Prado 114 C M Gambolati
3 Bribon (FR) 7/G L J R Velazquez 119 T A Pletcher
4 Vineyard Haven (FL) 4/C L D Cohen 119 S bin Suroor
5 Haynesfield (NY) 4/C L* J Castellano 120 S M Asmussen
6 Jersey Town (KY) 4/C L C H Velasquez 114 B Tagg
7 Friend Or Foe (NY) 3/C L A O Solis 115 J C Kimmel
8 Musket Man (KY) 4/C L* R Maragh 117 D S Ryan
9 Half Metal Jacket (FL) 5/G L F Jara 115 R R Rodriguez
A - Coupled Entries - Girolamo, Vineyard Haven

It's sort of interesting that Gayego, who ran the best of Godolphin's BC entrants should be held out of this race.

Vineyard Haven was fried by the pace, and could very well be fried here as well, with confirmed frontrunners Haynesfield and Friend Or Foe lining up.

Girolamo ran too poorly in the BC Sprint to think that it just "wasn't his day". He looked uncomfortable throughout the race. Going on 3 years now, he has made--what?--an average of 3 starts per season.

Gayego may not have the talent of those two (something that is debatable, really), but he doesn't have huge gaps in his race record and has won important races between 6f and 9f.

tjfla 11-24-2010 01:08 PM

Betting question here

Since the 1 and 4 are gonna be coupled as 1 and 1A,does this mean 5-9 all move up betting wise or do they keep the same spot?

NTamm1215 11-24-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 726866)
Betting question here

Since the 1 and 4 are gonna be coupled as 1 and 1A,does this mean 5-9 all move up betting wise or do they keep the same spot?

This will be the field with program numbers:

1 Girolamo (KY) 4/C L A Garcia 120 S bin Suroor
1A Vineyard Haven (FL) 4/C L D Cohen 119 S bin Suroor
2 Soaring Empire (KY) 3/C L E S Prado 114 C M Gambolati
3 Bribon (FR) 7/G L J R Velazquez 119 T A Pletcher
4 Haynesfield (NY) 4/C L* J Castellano 120 S M Asmussen
5 Jersey Town (KY) 4/C L C H Velasquez 114 B Tagg
6 Friend Or Foe (NY) 3/C L A O Solis 115 J C Kimmel
7 Musket Man (KY) 4/C L* R Maragh 117 D S Ryan
8 Half Metal Jacket (FL) 5/G L F Jara 115 R R Rodriguez
A - Coupled Entries - Girolamo, Vineyard Haven

freddymo 11-24-2010 03:20 PM

I would have thought that Gone Astray would have taken a shot against this less then stellar group. I suppose Shug likes him better going two turns? What is left in NY two turns the Queens County? There is a stallion maker

Betsy 11-24-2010 05:05 PM

Really looking forward to the Remsen with THAS and Buffum.......hopefully it won't be sloppy as we're going to get hit with a lot of rain between tomorrow afternoon and Friday morning

Betsy 11-24-2010 05:27 PM

There's also a maiden race for 2 year olds on Saturday that's attracted some nice pedigrees.

Darley has an entry: Storm n Indian, by Storm Cat out of Fleet Indian (badly beaten in debut) and Crossbow, by Bernardini out of GSW Forest Heiress (some very good works on tap_

There's a First Samurai out of a Pulpit mare from a very good family and a Vindication colt from a very good family as well

slotdirt 11-25-2010 07:48 AM

An interesting renewal of the Cigar.

randallscott35 11-25-2010 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 727093)
An interesting renewal of the Cigar.

I really agree. I have no idea where to go in there.

Gate To Wire 11-25-2010 09:36 AM

Anyone know why Castellano is on Haynesfield instead of Dominguez?

tjfla 11-25-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gate To Wire (Post 727124)
Anyone know why Castellano is on Haynesfield instead of Dominguez?

Something bout Haynesfield wasn't suppose to go so Dominguez got the mount of Half Metal Jacket however Asmussen is racing him. Both trainers want him but he thought it would be better to sit it out rather than make an enemy

Gate To Wire 11-25-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 727126)
Something bout Haynesfield wasn't suppose to go so Dominguez got the mount of Half Metal Jacket however Asmussen is racing him. Both trainers want him but he thought it would be better to sit it out rather than make an enemy

Interesting???? Seems very un-jockey like to take off a 250K race to keep the trainers happy.
Dominquez may be the first jockey in the history of the sport who isn't completely sef centered :rolleyes:

NTamm1215 11-25-2010 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gate To Wire (Post 727124)
Anyone know why Castellano is on Haynesfield instead of Dominguez?

Apparently Dominguez was committed to Half Metal Jacket for Rudy Rodriguez before he knew Haynesfield was going. In an effort to keep everyone happy, because both sets of connections wanted Ramon, his agent opted to ride no one.

LARHAGE 11-25-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gate To Wire (Post 727128)
Interesting???? Seems very un-jockey like to take off a 250K race to keep the trainers happy.
Dominquez may be the first jockey in the history of the sport who isn't completely sef centered :rolleyes:

Less self-centered than the other jockeys? These guys ride to make a living, conceit has nothing to do with it, I'd be more inclined to say his agent is more
stupid than the others as neither of these horses would be a major loss and if the trainers blamed Dominguez for making a living and honoring his first call than F them, but it doesn't make the other riders self-centered and egocentric for having the balls to ride their horse in that situation.

tjfla 11-25-2010 11:46 AM

It is not like it is alot of strategy with Haynesfield. Get him out front and let him run,would be nice to see FoF right on his side the whole way.

Big question is who falls back first? Haynesfield or FoF

RolloTomasi 11-25-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 727202)

Big question is who falls back first? Haynesfield or FoF

This could decide NY-bred HOY.

knickslions2 11-27-2010 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 727126)
Something bout Haynesfield wasn't suppose to go so Dominguez got the mount of Half Metal Jacket however Asmussen is racing him. Both trainers want him but he thought it would be better to sit it out rather than make an enemy

Half metal jacket has a good shot here

pucknut 11-27-2010 10:51 AM

love dubai damesolle in the gazellee

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 01:43 PM

10/1 on Mucho Macho Man with about 10 MTP seems awfully generous.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 01:48 PM

Did anyone hear the fake clapping for a few seconds after the start of the Demoiselle?

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 01:48 PM

You mean like what they do for sitcoms?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 01:49 PM

Yeah - seemed like someone bumped a button on accident.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 727818)
10/1 on Mucho Macho Man with about 10 MTP seems awfully generous.

15/1 at close.

He ran a pretty solid race.

Nice to see a June foal 2yo getting every yard of 9fs already.

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 727826)
15/1 at close.

He ran a pretty solid race.

Nice to see a June foal 2yo getting every yard of 9fs already.

This horse has been pretty impressive to me so far.

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:11 PM

Nice race by THAS, though I look forward to him not being on the lead as I don't think this is really what he wants to do. He's doing it willilngly, but I have a feeling that he'd be better from off the pace.

Mott will have to find a new jockey as soon as his next race as Johnny V. rides Uncle Mo.

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 02:13 PM

Will To Honor and Serve get a huge fig, or will the filly race come back really low?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 727831)
Nice race by THAS, though I look forward to him not being on the lead as I don't think this is really what he wants to do. He's doing it willilngly, but I have a feeling that he'd be better from off the pace.

Tears Jerry, Tears.

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 727834)
Tears Jerry, Tears.


That went whoosh, right over my head, lol

Maybe I'm wrong, anyway. I just read Bill Mott's quotes from a couple of days ago and he said the horse has a ton of natural speed and placed himseslf on the lead easily.........

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 727833)
Will To Honor and Serve get a huge fig, or will the filly race come back really low?

To Honor and Serve will get a Beyer 25 points higher than the Demoiselle winner as that's what 2.81 seconds at 9fs equates to.

His last two are 95 and 97.

The Demoiselle winners last two are 75 and 76.

There are more 9f races to come - so too early to project a figure.

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:22 PM

The Gazelle just went a full second slower than the Remsen...........

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 727838)
That went whoosh, right over my head, lol

While it's true that each horse is it's own entity ... all horses run their absolute best possible races when on an unpressured lead through very comfortable fractions.

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 727843)
While it's true that each horse is it's own entity ... all horses run their absolute best possible races when on an unpressured lead through very comfortable fractions.

Sure that makes sense..........In any case, I love his tractable speed, but being on the lead is not how you win big 3 year old races, so I'm looking forward to seeing him try to rate, even if he's still forwardly placed.

Dahoss 11-27-2010 02:31 PM

Now that I'm mentioning it, I'm sure hey'll run 1-2 in the Cigar Mile....but big performances by Godolphin so far this weekend.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 727840)
The Gazelle just went a full second slower than the Remsen...........

A full second would be 9 points.

Gazelle winner No Such Word ran a 91 and 95 in her last two. 2nd place Awesome Maria has run all 80's her entire career.

Without putting any time into it - you're probably looking at a 101-to-104 for To Honor and Serve.

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 727848)
Now that I'm mentioning it, I'm sure hey'll run 1-2 in the Cigar Mile....but big performances by Godolphin so far this weekend.

I never thought I'd utter these words, but...

I hope Musket Man wins here!

Haynesfield is my favorite horse in here, but I don't see him doing squat today.

Barring jockeys screwing the race up that is.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-27-2010 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 727845)
Sure that makes sense..........In any case, I love his tractable speed, but being on the lead is not how you win big 3 year old races, so I'm looking forward to seeing him try to rate, even if he's still forwardly placed.

Sure - he will run into horses with a lot better early speed and he'll have to win with rating tactics ... I can tell you with 100% certainty that he won't run quite as well when he's forced to do that.

Dahoss 11-27-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 727853)
I never thought I'd utter these words, but...

I hope Musket Man wins here!

Haynesfield is my favorite horse in here, but I don't see him doing squat today.

Barring jockeys screwing the race up that is.

I can't believe the money Musket Man is taking. I have to bet Jersey Town who seems like an overlay to me.

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 727850)
A full second would be 9 points.

Gazelle winner No Such Word ran a 91 and 95 in her last two. 2nd place Awesome Maria has run all 80's her entire career.

Without putting any time into it - you're probably looking at a 101-to-104 for To Honor and Serve.

So when you calculate BSF then, a horses career form plays a big part in it? They assume that a horse isn't going to freak or just run too bad to be true?

Indian Charlie 11-27-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 727858)
I can't believe the money Musket Man is taking. I have to bet Jersey Town who seems like an overlay to me.

You do realize that RHT pretty much assured a Musket Man win when he talked crap about him, right?

Betsy 11-27-2010 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 727856)
Sure - he will run into horses with a lot better early speed and he'll have to win with rating tactics ... I can tell you with 100% certainty that he won't run quite as well when he's forced to do that.

Because he won't be a better horse rating you mean? Isn't that hard to say at this point? He's a big horse who probably still has some maturing to do. Just to clarify, I adore this horse - but I don't believe in making predictions (for him for any of my favorite horses or sports teams or whatever). I'm not about to predict that he wins the Derby or whatever as that's just foolish. I do think he's very talented and will be a very good 3 year old. After that, it's a wait and see game


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