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FATPIANO 11-23-2010 03:22 PM

Gio Ponti: Back in '11, targets DWC..
 
Will race again in 2011 as a 6yr old, and will target The Dubai World Cup, kudos to all involved in keeping a tue Champion around for another year.

Indian Charlie 11-23-2010 03:26 PM

True champion??

my miss storm cat 11-23-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 726605)
True champion??

:tro:

tjfla 11-23-2010 03:30 PM

At least we know the Exacta for next years BC Mile

hockey2315 11-23-2010 03:35 PM

That's good and surprising news.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-23-2010 04:57 PM

I'm not sure it's that surprising - he RNA'd for a modest sum at a 2yo in training sale .. I'm not so sure he isn't worth more on the track padding those earnings and accomplishments than in the breeding shed.

I doubt he will be an attractive stallion prospect.

blackthroatedwind 11-23-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 726623)
I'm not sure it's that surprising - he RNA'd for a modest sum at a 2yo in training sale .. I'm not so sure he isn't worth more on the track padding those earnings and accomplishments than in the breeding shed.

I doubt he will be an attractive stallion prospect.

His owner basically said as much in the release. It's also obvious.

hockey2315 11-23-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 726623)
I'm not sure it's that surprising - he RNA'd for a modest sum at a 2yo in training sale .. I'm not so sure he isn't worth more on the track padding those earnings and accomplishments than in the breeding shed.

I doubt he will be an attractive stallion prospect.

I don't like him as a stallion prospect either - there was a really funny article before the BC where they interviewed two "experts" - one actually said, no lie, that he could probably stand for $75K.

It's surprising to me because there was so much talk of where to run him in the BC to increase his value from the connections. I guess the fact that they ran him in the mile should've been a sign that they had abandoned their optimism.

RockHardTen1985 11-23-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 726604)
Will race again in 2011 as a 6yr old, and will target The Dubai World Cup, kudos to all involved in keeping a tue Champion around for another year.

A champion of what exactly? The fastest of the slowest turf divisions we have EVER HAD?

my miss storm cat 11-23-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 726644)
A champion of what exactly? The fastest of the slowest turf divisions we have EVER HAD?

Good post.

I always thought he was kinda good by default.

That's about it.

Dahoss 11-23-2010 07:23 PM

He's no Interpatation, but I'm glad he's coming back next year. We need all of the good horses we can get...especially in the turf division.

blackthroatedwind 11-23-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 726647)
Good post.

I always thought he was kinda good by default.

That's about it.

You could say this about many of the turf champions in this country. Gio Ponti ran some nice races in 2009. This year he was less good in what was even a weak year by our standards.

Regardless, as others have said, it's nice that he's coming back.

Indian Charlie 11-23-2010 08:28 PM

Hell, I'm just hoping they bring Uncle Mo back next year.

my miss storm cat 11-23-2010 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 726674)
He's no Interpatation, but I'm glad he's coming back next year. We need all of the good horses we can get...especially in the turf division.

Interpatation defines racing. :D

No, really!

You never know what to expect.

He disappoints and is so damned frustrating and then suddenly, out of nowhere, you see that fight in him.

You see this heart, this refusal to quit, this heart-stopping, breathtaking run and then

... and then...

... back to gut-wrenching disappointment but so what.

After a while, so what cause with him you know exactly what to expect.

The unexpected!

ateamstupid 11-24-2010 07:14 AM

He'd better get HOY in 2011 for all he's done for racing.

Thunder Gulch 11-24-2010 08:45 AM

I'm happy he's back, but a run at Dubai has knocked out better and younger horses than he. I'm skeptical of him making much of an impact on American Turf after returning from the desert.

Indian Charlie 11-24-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 726763)
He'd better get HOY in 2011 for all he's done for racing.

Yeah!!

Has a six year old even run second in the BC Turf Mile before? It's probably unheard of!

NTamm1215 11-24-2010 09:35 AM

I have been a Gio Ponti fan since he was 2. Is he a historically great American turf horse? No, but he runs his race every time he goes to the post and has collected wins in basically all of the big American non-BC turf races (save the Joe Hirsch).

I'm glad he's coming back.

freddymo 11-24-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 726785)
I have been a Gio Ponti fan since he was 2. Is he a historically great American turf horse? No, but he runs his race every time he goes to the post and has collected wins in basically all of the big American non-BC turf races (save the Joe Hirsch).

I'm glad he's coming back.

Gio Pionti = Ginger Punch... maybe
I guess he is really a miler that has been able to beat bad 10f horses most of the time. You want him vs. Kittens Joy Artie Schiller or even English Channel.. I guess its ok that he is coming back. In reality his record is more an indictment on US based turf racing then his overall quality..

NTamm1215 11-24-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 726788)
Gio Pionti = Ginger Punch... maybe
I guess he is really a miler that has been able to beat bad 10f horses most of the time. You want him vs. Kittens Joy Artie Schiller or even English Channel.. I guess its ok that he is coming back. In reality his record is more an indictment on US based turf racing then his overall quality..

I went out of my way to say he's not a historically good American turf horse and then you post this? He'd have no shot against Kitten's Joy or Artie when they were at their best. Unfortunately, Kitten's Joy really only had one big season, of course, it was a terrific season.

I don't think Gio Ponti would match up all that poorly with English Channel. In fact, I think they are somewhat similar save that BC Turf win from EC that was just a very strange race.

freddymo 11-24-2010 11:05 AM

No offensive was meant Nick.. I am a fan of any decent horse these days.. There just arent many at all. I really dont get why more people dont try and get horses onto the grass in this country, if you have just a decent one you can earn a lot more money then dirt.. Take Icy Atlantic he made a lot of money for an absolutely average horse.

NTamm1215 11-24-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 726799)
No offensive was meant Nick.. I am a fan of any decent horse these days.. There just arent many at all. I really dont get why more people dont try and get horses onto the grass in this country, if you have just a decent one you can earn a lot more money then dirt.. Take Icy Atlantic he made a lot of money for an absolutely average horse.

I was breaking your balls Freddy. I completely agree with you and am glad that they made the right decision economically because we get him for another year.

nebrady 11-24-2010 05:11 PM

Gio just ok? Who did he lose to in last 2 bc's?
 
Why the gio bashing. The horse is ultra consistent and has taken on the best. First and second in back to back years of arlington million. Won graded races on grass and synthetic. Oh by the way he's only lost to 2 super female horses called goldikova and zenyatta or would be a 2 time bc winner. I'd love to have his breeding rights I think he'd be a great stallion. Glad to see hes coming back and gonna be betting on him. Hes one of my favorite horses and got the chance to see him race in the million. Looking forward to seeing him there next year and winning it. Good luck Gio Ponti!

freddymo 11-24-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 726919)
Why the gio bashing. The horse is ultra consistent and has taken on the best. First and second in back to back years of arlington million. Won graded races on grass and synthetic. Oh by the way he's only lost to 2 super female horses called goldikova and zenyatta or would be a 2 time bc winner. I'd love to have his breeding rights I think he'd be a great stallion. Glad to see hes coming back and gonna be betting on him. Hes one of my favorite horses and got the chance to see him race in the million. Looking forward to seeing him there next year and winning it. Good luck Gio Ponti!

So the people who stand Tale of the Cat have no interest but you do...Gotcha

ateamstupid 11-24-2010 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 726919)
Glad to see hes coming back and gonna be betting on him.

You look forward to betting on chalk? Color me shocked.

RockHardTen1985 11-24-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 726919)
Why the gio bashing. The horse is ultra consistent and has taken on the best. First and second in back to back years of arlington million. Won graded races on grass and synthetic. Oh by the way he's only lost to 2 super female horses called goldikova and zenyatta or would be a 2 time bc winner. I'd love to have his breeding rights I think he'd be a great stallion. Glad to see hes coming back and gonna be betting on him. Hes one of my favorite horses and got the chance to see him race in the million. Looking forward to seeing him there next year and winning it. Good luck Gio Ponti!

Are you tight with Scavs?

nebrady 11-25-2010 10:40 PM

I look forward to betting on a good horse at good odds. A horse that is a proven winner. A horse that always gives it is all!

ateamstupid 11-25-2010 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 727394)
I look forward to betting on a good horse at good odds. A horse that is a proven winner. A horse that always gives it is all!

Yeah his odds will be great.

Indian Charlie 11-25-2010 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 727394)
I look forward to betting on a good horse at good odds. A horse that is a proven winner. A horse that always gives it is all!

I think you just caused Golfers appendix to burst.

Fulla Sheets 11-26-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nebrady (Post 726919)
Why the gio bashing. The horse is ultra consistent and has taken on the best. First and second in back to back years of arlington million. Won graded races on grass and synthetic. Oh by the way he's only lost to 2 super female horses called goldikova and zenyatta or would be a 2 time bc winner. I'd love to have his breeding rights I think he'd be a great stallion. Glad to see hes coming back and gonna be betting on him. Hes one of my favorite horses and got the chance to see him race in the million. Looking forward to seeing him there next year and winning it. Good luck Gio Ponti!

Totally agree. Glad he's back for another year.

AeWingnut 11-26-2010 10:56 AM

invitation only
 
Dubai World Cup $10,000,000

1st 6,000,000
2nd 2,000,000
3rd 1,000,000
4th 500,000
5th 300,000
6th 100,000

to some people this is a lot of money

AeWingnut 11-26-2010 11:04 AM

I don't know who decides what makes a great sire.
Most of them start with a higher freshman sire stud fee then they plummet, no?

Empire Maker to Japan
Victory Gallop to Turkey

I think it is great that people are more interested in racing than breeding


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