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Rupert Pupkin 11-17-2010 04:44 PM

Airport X-Ray Controversy
 
I think that a large percentage of the people complaining would not be complaining if the President was a Republican. By the same token, I think many of the liberals that are not complaining about this issue, would be complaining about it if the President was a Republican.

There is a ton of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle.

Princess Doreen 11-17-2010 05:44 PM

In my opinion, it's nothing about who's POTUS. It's about government interference in my life - regardless of who is in power.

National ID cards are too intrusive, but body scans and pat downs are OK.:zz:

We flew to L.A. and back the last week in September via Southwest. It was the usual take off your shoes, put your belongings in a tray, and step through the metal scanner. No big deal.

On our way home, SW was offering a deal on their credit cards. Pay $59 for one year and get a free flight on their airline anywhere they fly so long as you use the benefit in the next two years. We signed up for it.

Now with this latest news, I called Southwest today and said I wished to cancel the credit card and get my $59 back - my husband, too. They asked why and I told them that I wasn't subjecting myself to any body scan and pat down. Since we hadn't charged anything on either card, they agreed to give us our $59/each back and cancel the card.

They're paying way too much attention to individuals and not enough attention to what might be in luggage and packages.

Personal option - we refuse to fly in the future so long as they have these intrusive security measures in place.

Antitrust32 11-17-2010 07:11 PM

the more security at airports, the better.


I went through one in Pittsburgh a few weeks back.. not a big deal at all. no bigger deal than walking through a metal dectector.

I'd rather have people who dont want airport security to stay home.

Rupert Pupkin 11-17-2010 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 724581)
In my opinion, it's nothing about who's POTUS. It's about government interference in my life - regardless of who is in power.

National ID cards are too intrusive, but body scans and pat downs are OK.:zz:

We flew to L.A. and back the last week in September via Southwest. It was the usual take off your shoes, put your belongings in a tray, and step through the metal scanner. No big deal.

On our way home, SW was offering a deal on their credit cards. Pay $59 for one year and get a free flight on their airline anywhere they fly so long as you use the benefit in the next two years. We signed up for it.

Now with this latest news, I called Southwest today and said I wished to cancel the credit card and get my $59 back - my husband, too. They asked why and I told them that I wasn't subjecting myself to any body scan and pat down. Since we hadn't charged anything on either card, they agreed to give us our $59/each back and cancel the card.

They're paying way too much attention to individuals and not enough attention to what might be in luggage and packages.

Personal option - we refuse to fly in the future so long as they have these intrusive security measures in place.

I think there are plenty of people out there like yourself who do not have a political axe to grind. But when I see websites likes WND up in arms over this, I think a lot of it is politically motivated. I doubt WND would be so upset over this if Bush was President.

Rupert Pupkin 11-17-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 724609)
the more security at airports, the better.


I went through one in Pittsburgh a few weeks back.. not a big deal at all. no bigger deal than walking through a metal dectector.

I'd rather have people who dont want airport security to stay home.

I agree, the more security the better.

Rileyoriley 11-17-2010 08:08 PM

I don't mind going through the body scanner however if there's a really cute security guard, I'm opting for the body frisk.:D

Coach Pants 11-17-2010 08:14 PM

I don't have a problem with it as long as they kiss the tip a little.

The Bid 11-17-2010 08:24 PM

Any muslim should be searched, padded down, undressed, etc. The 90 year old man in the wheelchair...He needs to roll right through. To hell with all this PC bull. Profile these C-suckers

dellinger63 11-17-2010 08:35 PM

There's a hot TSA agent at O'Hare. Works mornings. When you get to her tell her you have a ticket but can't find it. Let her go to work :D

Finally a government hand-out......

Princess Doreen 11-17-2010 10:38 PM

I'm all for airport security, but it should not be a physical assault on one's person, and that's what one must endure if the airport does not have the body scanners.

Interesting that some people may get a pass on it -

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...apolitano.html

Riot 11-17-2010 11:01 PM

Except they have not been given a pass on it, have they? Nobody thinks that silly thing except the blogger. They can refuse the pat down like anyone else - and not be allowed to get on the plane, like anyone else.

Riot 11-17-2010 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid (Post 724653)
Any muslim should be searched, padded down, undressed, etc. The 90 year old man in the wheelchair...He needs to roll right through. To hell with all this PC bull. Profile these C-suckers

Except the last terrorist caught was black and American. Didn't look middle eastern in the least.

Duplicate what El Al does. Period.

The Bid 11-18-2010 07:57 AM

Black muslim american.

Just like our president

Antitrust32 11-18-2010 08:19 AM

I bet women get pat downs from female security guards..

hmm..

better start flying more often

Nascar1966 11-18-2010 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid (Post 724756)
Black muslim american.

Just like our president


Wow what a coincidence. A terrorist the same profile as our President.

ArlJim78 11-18-2010 05:34 PM

the TSA policy is insane. the underwear bombers father went to the Cia, and warned them that his son was dangerous and hanging out with terrorists. yet that didn't even get him on the no fly list and he was still free to board an aircraft with an explosive device in his underwear. meanwhile no crotch or boob in America goes unmolested at our airports and this is supposed to be making us safer.

they need to learn that who is boarding the plane is at least as important as what gets on the plane. there are plenty of techniques and algorithms which can point them towards the high risk people and away from the idea that every nun must be felt up.

sham 11-18-2010 06:26 PM

If they tossed in a prostate exam or mammogram, perhaps folks wouldn't mind so much.

my miss storm cat 11-18-2010 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham (Post 725028)
If they tossed in a prostate exam or mammogram, perhaps folks wouldn't mind so much.

Well okay maybe a mammogram but we all know where to go for a breast exam.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40248892...ime_and_courts

dellinger63 11-18-2010 07:11 PM

Does DADT apply to TSA? I'd argue lesbian women should check men and gay men should check women. A bi-partisan, happy ending and gays and lesbians need apply!

the_fat_man 11-18-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid (Post 724653)
Any muslim should be searched, padded down, undressed, etc. The 90 year old man in the wheelchair...He needs to roll right through. To hell with all this PC bull. Profile these C-suckers

How about we get the Arabs where it really hurts? Like taking a closer look at all those getting their food subsidized in NYC, for example. It's not so much that these F-U-C-Kers are recent immigrants and we're paying for their food (I mean, if we took their privileges away we'd also have to do likewise in the case of all those new immigrant Chinese nonagenarians -- you know, the one's that haven't worked A SINGLE F U CKIN day in this country). It's the added smack in the face of watching them pay with their food cards at the local market while their spouses are waiting for them outside in their new $40k SUV's.

This PC BS has gotten just a wee bit out of control.

dellinger63 11-18-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 725065)
How about we get the Arabs where it really hurts? Like taking a closer look at all those getting their food subsidized in NYC, for example. It's not so much that these F-U-C-Kers are recent immigrants and we're paying for their food (I mean, if we took their privileges away we'd also have to do likewise in the case of all those new immigrant Chinese nonagenarians -- you know, the one's that haven't worked A SINGLE F U CKIN day in this country). It's the added smack in the face of watching them pay with their food cards at the local market while their spouses are waiting for them outside in their new $40k SUV's.

This PC BS has gotten just a wee bit out of control.

are you talkin about the President's Auntie?

the_fat_man 11-18-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 725068)
are you talkin about the President's Auntie?

I have no real problems with AMERICANS or those who have worked in this country for a period of time getting a hand out. I do, however, have issues with NEWLY ARRIVED MoFo's taking advantage of the system. China solved their 'hunger' problem: they just shipped all their scum over here and we're feeding them. It's a real pleasure.:rolleyes:

dellinger63 11-18-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 725069)
I have no real problems with AMERICANS or those who have worked in this country for a period of time getting a hand out. I do, however, have issues with NEWLY ARRIVED MoFo's taking advantage of the system.

So the Auntie who came over illegally, was kicked out of the country but stayed and was granted citizenship (somehow LOL) who's lived on the public dole for years doesn't count?

the_fat_man 11-18-2010 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 725070)
So the Auntie who came over illegally, was kicked out of the country but stayed and was granted citizenship (somehow LOL) who's lived on the public dole for years doesn't count?

I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

dellinger63 11-18-2010 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 725076)
I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

There's a bunch of very religious people and a good steak joint in Brooklyn (right by the bridge) so it can't be the entire F'n borough of Brooklyn. JAG BAG!

And Bush had nothing to do with Fannie May, Countrywide and the rest of 'the give everyone a chance to buy a house.'

dellinger63 11-18-2010 08:15 PM

BTW Fatman I'll use the N word before I use the R word but you go girl!

alysheba4 11-19-2010 08:26 AM

the next time i fly out of l.a x, i might position a 12 in. marital aid down the front of my pants.

notyep59 11-19-2010 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 725076)
I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

that, my friends, was beautiful

jms62 11-19-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 725078)
There's a bunch of very religious people and a good steak joint in Brooklyn (right by the bridge) so it can't be the entire F'n borough of Brooklyn. JAG BAG!

And Bush had nothing to do with Fannie May, Countrywide and the rest of 'the give everyone a chance to buy a house.'

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...5/ai_92843805/

Nascar1966 11-19-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 725076)
I'm talking about the whole F u c kin borough of Brooklyn (and most of Queens) and you're going on like a R E T AR D about one person. I get it, you're a f u c k i n Republican and you're not willing to take responsibility for Bush collapsing the global economy. Here's a suggestion: STFU, sit the f u c k down and wait your turn, like we did, when your re ta rd was in office.

That answer your question, scumbag?

I guess you think Obama is better. He cant use the excuse he inherited a mess from Bush anymore. Hasnt he been in office for over 1 1/2 years now? Instead of trying to fix the economy, unemployment, and getting rid of the scumbag taxpayers burden known as illegals he decides to pass this healthcare bill that the American public didnt want. Maybe the mid term elections will be a wake up call for him and he will start concentrating on taking of the issue's that face this nation. I doubt he do that but he would rather take care of other countries instead of his own. Im sure when Obama is out of office hopefully in 2013 he will blame Bush for his failure. Do us all the favor sit down on your favorite chair and go eat a doughnut.

notyep59 11-20-2010 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725416)
I guess you think Obama is better. He cant use the excuse he inherited a mess from Bush anymore. Hasnt he been in office for over 1 1/2 years now? Instead of trying to fix the economy, unemployment, and getting rid of the scumbag taxpayers burden known as illegals he decides to pass this healthcare bill that the American public didnt want. Maybe the mid term elections will be a wake up call for him and he will start concentrating on taking of the issue's that face this nation. I doubt he do that but he would rather take care of other countries instead of his own. Im sure when Obama is out of office hopefully in 2013 he will blame Bush for his failure. Do us all the favor sit down on your favorite chair and go eat a doughnut.

why don't you just copy and paste the part about the healthcare the american public didn't want, because it seems to find its way into most of your posts. and i'm sure you're not racist because you have how many black friends?? i know you hate this president. i know how you're voting in 2012. one thing i don't know about you is if you are an idiot or not. but i BELIEVE you are.

Danzig 11-20-2010 10:01 AM

i think every passenger should go thru the screener, their bags as well. don't like it, don't fly. no exceptions. that way, no one can say they were singled out, there's no racial profiling, and no one is skipped/missed. anyone can be a threat regardless of their looks.

Princess Doreen 11-20-2010 10:48 AM

I'd rather be asked a few questions than go through a physical assault. We don't fly that much - only twice in the past 8 years. If there's a need to fly somewhere, we'll opt out until they change their procedure. And that, of course, is my right. Despite the myriad of millions plowed into this body scan technology, I doubt it's going to stick around long.

Former Israeli Airline Security Chief: U.S. Needs to Profile Air Passengers Tuesday, November 16, 2010
By Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) - As criticism mounts over the use of full-body scanners and physical pat-downs at U.S. airports, the former security director for Israel’s national airline told CNSNews.com that airline security in America is an “illusion,” and that the United States should adopt El Al’s passenger profiling approach to ensure safety.

According to Isaac Yeffet, the former security chief for El Al Israel Airlines, the United States should adopt El Al’s security approach of ensuring that every passenger is interviewed by a well-trained agent before check-in, a move that involves profiling passengers, which he said is not discriminatory.

El Al is considered by most security analysts as the most secure airline in the world because of its track-record in deterring hijackings and terror plots. The airline has been free of terrorist attacks for about 30 years and it has experienced only one hijacking in its history. Global Traveler magazine has named El Al as number one in its Best Airline for Security for the last three years in a row.

Nonetheless, critics of American airliners adopting El Al’s security approach say it would violate passengers’ civil rights by allowing some passengers to be more intensely scrutinized than others.

Yeffet said that U.S. airliners should implement “exactly the same [security] system” as El Al.

“Yes, profiling,” he said. “Profiling is not that I am choosing that I want to interview them. We don’t have discrimination [at El Al]. Every passenger--I don’t care who he or she is--has to be interviewed by security. We have to be polite. We know how to ask questions.”

“The TSA [Transportation Safety Administration in USA] wants to tell me we now have security in this country--this is an illusion,” he said. “It’s not security. It’s about time that we are proactive and reactive. In this country we fear reactive, we don’t do anything to be proactive.”

When asked if he thought the use of full-body scanners created an illusion of security, Yeffet said, "Yes, they are a small part of the entire system that you use to check a passenger if he is suspicious."

The TSA, a Department of Homeland Security agency, has put in place a procedure for a physical pat-down of airline passengers as part of an overall increase in security and has also ramped-up the use electronic (x-ray) body scanners at airports.

The TSA has decided that if a passenger opts out of going through the body scanner or if the scanner shows something suspicious, a security officer will do a pat-down.

Reacting to TSA’s move to step-up air security, Yeffet said, “Technology in general can never replace a qualified and well-trained human being.”

“We have to use body search and body scanners only against seriously suspicious passengers,” he said.

Yeffet indicated that it is unnecessary to search innocent people, which he said make up about 99.9 percent of air travelers.

Instead, security should be focused on determining whether an individual is suspicious by intensively interviewing the person before he or she boards the plane.

“We at El Al have used the hand/body search for so many years, but we did it only to suspicious passengers that were interviewed by us,” said Yeffet. “We asked the questions and we were able to determine that there was something wrong with a passenger.”

Yeffet pointed out that El Al’s security personnel are highly trained in reading people’s physical actions as indicators of behavior.

“If you are bona fide, you have no problems answering [questions]” he said. “If you want to hide from us, we see the physical changes in your face--suddenly you raise your voice, suddenly your Adam’s apple jumps up and down, you’re nervous. Then we ask, 'Why are you nervous? I'm doing it for your safety sir or Ma'am.’”

Using that approach, “You can see how fast and easy we survive, and we put the hand on the right people that are trying to blow up an aircraft or to commit suicide,” he said.

According to Yeffet, unless they are suspicious, “most passengers” cooperate with El Al’s security approach of interviewing every passenger.

The former El Al security chief criticized the TSA’s decision to allow passengers to opt out of being body scanned and endure a pat-down instead, saying that this option makes body scanners irrelevant.

Yeffet also said that technology, such as X-ray machines, already failed to deter the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing, the Sept. 11 attacks, and the attempted Christmas Day underwear bomber, among other terrorists, by allowing them to go through security check points with illicit materials.

"I don’t need a scanner,” said Yeffet. “I don’t mean to insult anyone. There is what is called hand search. We take you to a special room where you are interviewed by security experts. If we notice any suspicion, we search you from the head to the toe. We won’t leave one piece on your body that we do not do a hand search on. Why do we have to spend millions of dollars on these body scanners?”

At El Al, Yeffet formulated the airline's total security system, developing passenger- profiling and passenger-screening programs and training security personnel.

Yeffet is also a retired senior intelligence director for the Israeli Secret Service, where he was responsible for the security of all Israeli embassies, consulates and delegations around the world.

timmgirvan 11-20-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 725286)

damned if you do, damned if you don't

Rupert Pupkin 11-20-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 725670)
I'd rather be asked a few questions than go through a physical assault. We don't fly that much - only twice in the past 8 years. If there's a need to fly somewhere, we'll opt out until they change their procedure. And that, of course, is my right. Despite the myriad of millions plowed into this body scan technology, I doubt it's going to stick around long.

Former Israeli Airline Security Chief: U.S. Needs to Profile Air Passengers Tuesday, November 16, 2010
By Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com) - As criticism mounts over the use of full-body scanners and physical pat-downs at U.S. airports, the former security director for Israel’s national airline told CNSNews.com that airline security in America is an “illusion,” and that the United States should adopt El Al’s passenger profiling approach to ensure safety.

According to Isaac Yeffet, the former security chief for El Al Israel Airlines, the United States should adopt El Al’s security approach of ensuring that every passenger is interviewed by a well-trained agent before check-in, a move that involves profiling passengers, which he said is not discriminatory.

El Al is considered by most security analysts as the most secure airline in the world because of its track-record in deterring hijackings and terror plots. The airline has been free of terrorist attacks for about 30 years and it has experienced only one hijacking in its history. Global Traveler magazine has named El Al as number one in its Best Airline for Security for the last three years in a row.

Nonetheless, critics of American airliners adopting El Al’s security approach say it would violate passengers’ civil rights by allowing some passengers to be more intensely scrutinized than others.

Yeffet said that U.S. airliners should implement “exactly the same [security] system” as El Al.

“Yes, profiling,” he said. “Profiling is not that I am choosing that I want to interview them. We don’t have discrimination [at El Al]. Every passenger--I don’t care who he or she is--has to be interviewed by security. We have to be polite. We know how to ask questions.”

“The TSA [Transportation Safety Administration in USA] wants to tell me we now have security in this country--this is an illusion,” he said. “It’s not security. It’s about time that we are proactive and reactive. In this country we fear reactive, we don’t do anything to be proactive.”

When asked if he thought the use of full-body scanners created an illusion of security, Yeffet said, "Yes, they are a small part of the entire system that you use to check a passenger if he is suspicious."

The TSA, a Department of Homeland Security agency, has put in place a procedure for a physical pat-down of airline passengers as part of an overall increase in security and has also ramped-up the use electronic (x-ray) body scanners at airports.

The TSA has decided that if a passenger opts out of going through the body scanner or if the scanner shows something suspicious, a security officer will do a pat-down.

Reacting to TSA’s move to step-up air security, Yeffet said, “Technology in general can never replace a qualified and well-trained human being.”

“We have to use body search and body scanners only against seriously suspicious passengers,” he said.

Yeffet indicated that it is unnecessary to search innocent people, which he said make up about 99.9 percent of air travelers.

Instead, security should be focused on determining whether an individual is suspicious by intensively interviewing the person before he or she boards the plane.

“We at El Al have used the hand/body search for so many years, but we did it only to suspicious passengers that were interviewed by us,” said Yeffet. “We asked the questions and we were able to determine that there was something wrong with a passenger.”

Yeffet pointed out that El Al’s security personnel are highly trained in reading people’s physical actions as indicators of behavior.

“If you are bona fide, you have no problems answering [questions]” he said. “If you want to hide from us, we see the physical changes in your face--suddenly you raise your voice, suddenly your Adam’s apple jumps up and down, you’re nervous. Then we ask, 'Why are you nervous? I'm doing it for your safety sir or Ma'am.’”

Using that approach, “You can see how fast and easy we survive, and we put the hand on the right people that are trying to blow up an aircraft or to commit suicide,” he said.

According to Yeffet, unless they are suspicious, “most passengers” cooperate with El Al’s security approach of interviewing every passenger.

The former El Al security chief criticized the TSA’s decision to allow passengers to opt out of being body scanned and endure a pat-down instead, saying that this option makes body scanners irrelevant.

Yeffet also said that technology, such as X-ray machines, already failed to deter the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing, the Sept. 11 attacks, and the attempted Christmas Day underwear bomber, among other terrorists, by allowing them to go through security check points with illicit materials.

"I don’t need a scanner,” said Yeffet. “I don’t mean to insult anyone. There is what is called hand search. We take you to a special room where you are interviewed by security experts. If we notice any suspicion, we search you from the head to the toe. We won’t leave one piece on your body that we do not do a hand search on. Why do we have to spend millions of dollars on these body scanners?”

At El Al, Yeffet formulated the airline's total security system, developing passenger- profiling and passenger-screening programs and training security personnel.

Yeffet is also a retired senior intelligence director for the Israeli Secret Service, where he was responsible for the security of all Israeli embassies, consulates and delegations around the world.

If we could adopt and implement El Al's approach, that would obviously be 100x better than what we are doing right now. I doubt we could ever do it as good as the Israelis but if we could come anywhere close we would be in good shape.

Nascar1966 11-20-2010 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 725655)
i think every passenger should go thru the screener, their bags as well. don't like it, don't fly. no exceptions. that way, no one can say they were singled out, there's no racial profiling, and no one is skipped/missed. anyone can be a threat regardless of their looks.

I agree with you %1000 on your statement.

Princess Doreen 11-20-2010 03:40 PM

Cool!

Purty sure this new system of protecting us will go south.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news

Nascar1966 11-20-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notyep59 (Post 725604)
why don't you just copy and paste the part about the healthcare the american public didn't want, because it seems to find its way into most of your posts. and i'm sure you're not racist because you have how many black friends?? i know you hate this president. i know how you're voting in 2012. one thing i don't know about you is if you are an idiot or not. but i BELIEVE you are.

Womp Womp Womp. Also it is now of your business who I have for friends. You want to try and call me racist go right ahead. I BELIEVE YOUR A NO GOOD ROTTEN TO THE CORE MORON. If you dont want to read what I have to say instead of sitting on your brain if you have one put me on the ignore list imbecile.

notyep59 11-20-2010 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725776)
Womp Womp Womp. Also it is now of your business who I have for friends. You want to try and call be racist go right ahead. I BELIEVE YOUR A NO GOOD ROTTEN TO THE CORE MORON. If you dont want to read what I have to say instead of sitting on your brain if you have one put me on the ignore list imbecile.

finally, a post where you didn't mention health care. good boy!!!!ah, but you had to go and throw the ignore list line in there, didn't you?? and if it was my business who you have for friends, i would probably end up homeless.god, i hope he understood that, because i don't want to explain it later.

Nascar1966 11-20-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notyep59 (Post 725793)
finally, a post where you didn't mention health care. good boy!!!!ah, but you had to go and throw the ignore list line in there, didn't you?? and if it was my business who you have for friends, i would probably end up homeless.god, i hope he understood that, because i don't want to explain it later.

Trust me God has a nice spot already reserved for me in the blues skies. Im not a boy but a man.


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