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richard burch 11-16-2010 10:07 PM

Something smells bad in N.J.
 
http://www.northjersey.com/news/1116...itics_say.html

http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=85358

it's crunch time for all of us here in the garden state. so here are the links to the good guys who are trying to save the sport. i would encourage you to send them an e-mail. it's very easy, just check all the boxes.

i have already sent many throughout the past year but we need some more help. (push for VLT's)

thanks, i know you will help.

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/SelectRep.asp

Senator Jennifer Beck
Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande
Assemblyman Declan J. O'Scanlon

or these nice people...

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/SelectRep.asp

Assemblyman Gary S. Schaer
Assemblyman Frederick Scalera
Senator Paul A. Sarlo

Indian Charlie 11-16-2010 11:42 PM

I thought this was going to be a post about Parsippany.

Or some mob burial ground.

Clip-Clop 11-18-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 724290)
I thought this was going to be a post about Parsippany.

Or some mob burial ground.

Pretty much the entire Northern portion of the turnpike.

randallscott35 11-18-2010 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 724290)
I thought this was going to be a post about Parsippany.

Or some mob burial ground.

:rolleyes:

richard burch 11-21-2010 12:03 AM

so i went to the meadowlands
 
for 2 hours and placed 2 bets.

i spent a lot of time at the customer service desk with a very kind grandmother who worked there for about 15 years. i was more interested as to what the workers were feeling about what is most likely inevitable. it seems the clouds have darkened over the employees and their spirits. they are resigned to seeing the end is coming.

it was extremely sad. some of the people i spoke too have been there 20 years + or since it opened.

guys like dave brower and Bob Heyden, ive talked too them many times. i feel bad for them. i feel bad for me.

Also, Heyden was a little more optomistic but very pissed off.

i hope monmouth is better.

richard burch 11-21-2010 12:08 AM

did you know ...
 
A.C. is getting a 25 milion tax break?

while the meadowlands cannot even have a poker tournament?


also for some good articles on this subject check out the sboanj.

http://sboanj.com/index.asp?Key=1820

richard burch 11-21-2010 12:30 AM

tack announcer list
 
http://horsetrackannouncer.blogspot.com/

(track)

GoIrish 11-22-2010 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 725936)
A.C. is getting a 25 milion tax break?

while the meadowlands cannot even have a poker tournament?


also for some good articles on this subject check out the sboanj.

http://sboanj.com/index.asp?Key=1820

Yes I saw that. Unfortunately, as it made me immediately sick to my stomach. I was telling my buddy the other day, knowsing the results, I wish NJ never approved casino gambling. (This was a big shock to him as he knows me to be a gambler.) The entire state is beholden to the casinos. The politicos are in their pockets. This state is run by a teachers union and casinos.

MaTH716 11-22-2010 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 725936)
A.C. is getting a 25 milion tax break?

while the meadowlands cannot even have a poker tournament?


also for some good articles on this subject check out the sboanj.

http://sboanj.com/index.asp?Key=1820

You do know that the state has a vested intrest in the whole casino Atlantic City casino industry/region?

tector 11-22-2010 09:39 AM

You mean besides the residents?

MaTH716 11-22-2010 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector (Post 726307)
You mean besides the residents?

Residents, as in probably most of their employment. Or as in their property values and that of the whole region. Not to mention all the tax revenues from generated income from the area.

My point was that it's obviously a much deeper issue than justthe govenor choosing to support AC over horse racing.

tector 11-22-2010 09:59 AM

AC over horse racing, if that is the choice, would be the smart play. Horse racing, if not not dying, is certainly decaying. It is less and less popular with each succeeding generation.

The real question, I suppose, is whether it really has to be AC v. horse racing. I don't know--or care--enough about NJ to answer that; we have enough problems down here in Florida for me to be concerned about another second tier jurisdiction.

But as others here can tell you I have maintained for years that there needs to be a lot less racing, which entails a lot less of everything--breeders, tracks,trainers, etc. People who have been in the racing biz are no more "entitled" to a racing livelihood than loggers are in an area that can no longer sustain logging.

I know as Americans we are taught that more is always better, but in this case (and many others), it is isn't. Small fields of poorly bred animals (most of whom come to a bad end) is no way to preserve this sport on any level. And to the extent racing can't compete in the market, then that extent deserves to go into oblivion. If racing becomes a boutique sport, I am fine with that. Unlike some others here, I am not a monomaniacal racing degenerate. I am just as happy being a degenerate at poker or blackjack table. Diversify your degeneracy, my friends.

richard burch 11-23-2010 06:57 PM

interesting weekend
 
after going to the meadowlands on saturday night and getting depressed i decided to got to monmouth park closing day. (lets hope it's not the "closing day" forever)

the mood was a little bit better by the shore but there are a lot of gray areas as to whether there will be racing.

the meadowlands will proceed with scheduling for next year sometime in december. monmouth will submit race dates around january.

one constant is that they all dislike christie and his goons. BTW, hanson is on the gov's payroll so don't look for fatso to disapprove of anything this jerk says. there is corruption at the top.

it looks like a legal battle will ensue to enforce the current contract.

anyway here are pics from the final day at M.P.

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richard burch 11-23-2010 07:01 PM

M.P.
 
some more....

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richard burch 11-23-2010 07:03 PM

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some big names up there...


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richard burch 12-04-2010 03:40 PM

Update
 
As part of the effort to boost New Jersey’s gaming and horse racing industries, Assemblymen John Burzichelli (D-Gloucester) and Ronald Dancer (R-Burlington) are sponsoring legislation that would allow Internet account wagering on horse races from bettors outside New Jersey.

Account wagering is a form of betting in which an account holder deposits money with the state Sports and Exposition Authority, or its designee, and then uses the account balance to pay for wagers.

Under current law, only New Jerseyans are permitted to establish wagering accounts for bets on in-state and out-of-state horse races through the system, either in-person or via the telephone or other electronic means such as the Internet.

The proposed changes would authorize an account wagering licensee to accept wagers on the results of horse races from residents outside of New Jersey.

Under the bill, the account wagering licensee could accept account wagers from persons who are residents of another state, provided that: The person resides in a state where pari-mutuel wagering is permitted; residents of that state are permitted to establish an account with the account wagering licensee; and the acceptance of the wager is in accordance and compliance with the provisions of the Interstate Horse Racing Act of 1978, any other applicable federal law and the laws of that state.
Burzichelli has sponsored bills designed to help New Jersey’s horse racing and casino industries, including proposals to allow exchange wagering, increase purses at Monmouth Park and allow for boutique casinos in Atlantic City.

“This bill represents yet another effort to ensure New Jersey’s horse racing industry is strong and viable,” Burzichelli said Wednesday. “A modern horse racing industry must take into consideration all the ways in which people can participate, and that of course means bringing the Internet and other electronic means into play for those outside our state. Opening New Jersey’s horse racing industry to a wider audience is simply a smart thing to do.”

The bill (A-3498) has been referred to the Assembly Regulatory Oversight and Gaming Committee, which is chaired by Burzichelli.

– TOM HESTER SR., NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM

MaTH716 12-07-2010 10:33 AM

Interesting, I just recieved an e-mail from Monmouth about them selling VIP passes for the 2011 meet.

GoIrish 12-07-2010 10:38 AM

Same here. I'll probably receive one for Christmas. I'm trying to keep a positive attitude.

freddymo 12-07-2010 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 730407)
As part of the effort to boost New Jersey’s gaming and horse racing industries, Assemblymen John Burzichelli (D-Gloucester) and Ronald Dancer (R-Burlington) are sponsoring legislation that would allow Internet account wagering on horse races from bettors outside New Jersey.

Account wagering is a form of betting in which an account holder deposits money with the state Sports and Exposition Authority, or its designee, and then uses the account balance to pay for wagers.

Under current law, only New Jerseyans are permitted to establish wagering accounts for bets on in-state and out-of-state horse races through the system, either in-person or via the telephone or other electronic means such as the Internet.

The proposed changes would authorize an account wagering licensee to accept wagers on the results of horse races from residents outside of New Jersey.

Under the bill, the account wagering licensee could accept account wagers from persons who are residents of another state, provided that: The person resides in a state where pari-mutuel wagering is permitted; residents of that state are permitted to establish an account with the account wagering licensee; and the acceptance of the wager is in accordance and compliance with the provisions of the Interstate Horse Racing Act of 1978, any other applicable federal law and the laws of that state.
Burzichelli has sponsored bills designed to help New Jersey’s horse racing and casino industries, including proposals to allow exchange wagering, increase purses at Monmouth Park and allow for boutique casinos in Atlantic City.

“This bill represents yet another effort to ensure New Jersey’s horse racing industry is strong and viable,” Burzichelli said Wednesday. “A modern horse racing industry must take into consideration all the ways in which people can participate, and that of course means bringing the Internet and other electronic means into play for those outside our state. Opening New Jersey’s horse racing industry to a wider audience is simply a smart thing to do.”

The bill (A-3498) has been referred to the Assembly Regulatory Oversight and Gaming Committee, which is chaired by Burzichelli.

– TOM HESTER SR., NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM

Ron Dancer... I think that is the ducks uncle.. The Duck used to driver My Bill Forward who while as tough and fast as a handicap horse as there in his day was like 8th choice against an awesome field which included Skip By Night, Gheghis Khan, Fan Hanover(I know the mare), Willow Wiper and elite others

Holland Hacker 12-07-2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 730407)
As part of the effort to boost New Jersey’s gaming and horse racing industries, Assemblymen John Burzichelli (D-Gloucester) and Ronald Dancer (R-Burlington) are sponsoring legislation that would allow Internet account wagering on horse races from bettors outside New Jersey.

Account wagering is a form of betting in which an account holder deposits money with the state Sports and Exposition Authority, or its designee, and then uses the account balance to pay for wagers.

Under current law, only New Jerseyans are permitted to establish wagering accounts for bets on in-state and out-of-state horse races through the system, either in-person or via the telephone or other electronic means such as the Internet.

The proposed changes would authorize an account wagering licensee to accept wagers on the results of horse races from residents outside of New Jersey.

Under the bill, the account wagering licensee could accept account wagers from persons who are residents of another state, provided that: The person resides in a state where pari-mutuel wagering is permitted; residents of that state are permitted to establish an account with the account wagering licensee; and the acceptance of the wager is in accordance and compliance with the provisions of the Interstate Horse Racing Act of 1978, any other applicable federal law and the laws of that state.
Burzichelli has sponsored bills designed to help New Jersey’s horse racing and casino industries, including proposals to allow exchange wagering, increase purses at Monmouth Park and allow for boutique casinos in Atlantic City.

“This bill represents yet another effort to ensure New Jersey’s horse racing industry is strong and viable,” Burzichelli said Wednesday. “A modern horse racing industry must take into consideration all the ways in which people can participate, and that of course means bringing the Internet and other electronic means into play for those outside our state. Opening New Jersey’s horse racing industry to a wider audience is simply a smart thing to do.”

The bill (A-3498) has been referred to the Assembly Regulatory Oversight and Gaming Committee, which is chaired by Burzichelli.

– TOM HESTER SR., NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM

This legislation, make the legislators are idiotic. Why on earth would a non-resident want to open a NJ ADW account on a platform that crashes on major days, provides no incentives to the players is beyond me. I live in NJ and only have an account because it is my only legal option. It is really sad what has happend to racing in NJ. I know there has been a downward trend in racing nationally but I would like to see how much the states's ownership of the tracks in NJ has exacerbated the decline. Monmouth was a much better track before the NJSEA took it over.

Trenton doesn't have a clue about horse racing which was evidenced by what Codey said about the track having a "bad day" based on the racing results. I think it was in the bill for combining betting pools, not sure I even understood what the point of the bill was.

It will be interesting to see how long racing actually survives in NJ, I give it an over under of 5 years.

OK enough venting for now.

richard burch 12-07-2010 10:10 PM

hey...how about something positive!
 
SBOANJ STATEMENT ON MEETINGS WITH GOVERNOR CHRISTIE’S OFFICE
MANALAPAN, NJ – December 2, 2010 --

After extensive meetings this week with the office of Governor Chris Christie, Standardbred Breeders & Owners Association of New Jersey President Tom Luchento is extremely optimistic that there will be racing at the Meadowlands in 2011, starting in January.

"We have had extensive and productive meetings with the Governor's office and should have more details soon," said Luchento. "We are pleased with progress that was achieved this week."


-Submitted by Carol Hodes for the SBOANJ

richard burch 12-07-2010 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holland Hacker (Post 731434)
This legislation, make the legislators are idiotic. Why on earth would a non-resident want to open a NJ ADW account on a platform that crashes on major days, provides no incentives to the players is beyond me. I live in NJ and only have an account because it is my only legal option. It is really sad what has happend to racing in NJ. I know there has been a downward trend in racing nationally but I would like to see how much the states's ownership of the tracks in NJ has exacerbated the decline. Monmouth was a much better track before the NJSEA took it over.

Trenton doesn't have a clue about horse racing which was evidenced by what Codey said about the track having a "bad day" based on the racing results. I think it was in the bill for combining betting pools, not sure I even understood what the point of the bill was.

It will be interesting to see how long racing actually survives in NJ, I give it an over under of 5 years.

OK enough venting for now.

someone told me codey's brother owns freehold.

rkinnin 12-10-2010 07:47 PM

why isn't this "national" headlines
 
I must admit that I have been away from the day-to-day operations of horse racing for the last year.

But today I got an earful from a good friend who lives in NJ. He is a HUGE harness fan spanning over 40 years.

As an industry we can not let the Meadowlands close down. I told Jim that I look at the Meadowlands as the primer harness track in the entire country. Only the best drivers, horses and trainers participate there.

Meadowlands racing brings in a ton of money to the economy not to mention payroll and payroll taxes.

Please tell me that its not too late and that the Meadowlands is not on the chopping block and most importantly that its stardom will regain fire again.

MaTH716 12-10-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkinnin (Post 732580)
I must admit that I have been away from the day-to-day operations of horse racing for the last year.

But today I got an earful from a good friend who lives in NJ. He is a HUGE harness fan spanning over 40 years.

As an industry we can not let the Meadowlands close down. I told Jim that I look at the Meadowlands as the primer harness track in the entire country. Only the best drivers, horses and trainers participate there.
Meadowlands racing brings in a ton of money to the economy not to mention payroll and payroll taxes.

Please tell me that its not too late and that the Meadowlands is not on the chopping block and most importantly that its stardom will regain fire again.

That boat has sailed. I was there Saturday night and it's pretty depresing what that place has become. My company had our Christmas party in the Pegusus, which in years past has always be very lively because of the amount of people up there. This year the place was empty, it was like a morge up there and to make matters worse the racing was pretty lousey as well. It seems like Yonkers is now the place to be.

rkinnin 12-10-2010 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 732583)
That boat has sailed. I was there Saturday night and it's pretty depresing what that place has become. My company had our Christmas party in the Pegusus, which in years past has always be very lively because of the amount of people up there. This year the place was empty, it was like a morge up there and to make matters worse the racing was pretty lousey as well. It seems like Yonkers is now the place to be.

My friend Jim told me the same thing about Meadowlands. He told me to pull up the entries and asked me if I knew any of the drivers. Four drivers I knew. Then he told me to look at the Purses per race - WOW....low.

Then he told me to go to Yonkers and the same examination.

What a role reversal!

Do drivers care if they do two turns or four turns?? It would seem not.

Staying in NJ for a moment...what does the future hold for Monmouth and also for Freehold?

richard burch 12-15-2010 07:58 AM

i'm still going to the xmas party there saturday night. i hope it's not the last day of racing forever.

richard burch 12-15-2010 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkinnin (Post 732593)
My friend Jim told me the same thing about Meadowlands. He told me to pull up the entries and asked me if I knew any of the drivers. Four drivers I knew. Then he told me to look at the Purses per race - WOW....low.

Then he told me to go to Yonkers and the same examination.

What a role reversal!

Do drivers care if they do two turns or four turns?? It would seem not.

Staying in NJ for a moment...what does the future hold for Monmouth and also for Freehold?

drivers don't care about the turns, they care about the purse money. however i believe it takes a little while for them to get accustomed to the 1/2 mile tracks.

brennan seems to have figured it out at yonkers but i still favor the guys like bartlett and manzi who have more experience with the tighter turns and more importantly when to make your move.


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