Uncle Mo faster than BC Classic field on Ragozin
 

This is something that surely will never happen again - Uncle Mo (1.25) ran a faster Ragozin Sheet figure in his Juvie win than anyone in the BC Classic field. Blame (2.25) had the fastest Rag # of any horse in the Classic.

The reason why Uncle Mo is a little faster than the BC Classic field on Ragozin - but 3 points slower on Beyer is likely from the wind adjustment.

Just like on Thoro-Graph - Goldikova got the fastest Ragozin of any horse over the two days. A turf horse coming away with the fastest overall figure in a Breeders Cup event from both sheet figure companies would be another extreme rarity.

The pace was fast enough in the BC Classic to dismantle the four speeds - everyone else staggered by them - in an analytical sense, it was the dirt BC Classic edition that will go down in infamy. Certainly though - it was no eyesore to watch like all the figures will say.

Could Mo have come home in 26 flat off a 36 and 1 mile if he ran in the Classic? If so, he would have been in the photo. Tall order for a 2 yo but who knows?

He probably would have been in a photo with QR if he ran in there.

You're clueless.

And if Zenyatta had run in the Juvy male race, she'd have been in a photo for 3rd. Maybe 2nd.

.....o.k

No U R if you think Mo would have had any shot at all hitting the board in the BC Classic.

Hahahahahaahahahahhaahhaaaaaaaa

2yo against that classic field. Yeah you're right bud, mo woulda been right there because sheets said so. Pshew, lord have mercy. Ateam. Take the prefix off your name it's more fitting as "stupid"

Guys, can we all please be cool.
Thanks dudes.

Hey, if just about everyone else can stay horrifically stupid stuff around here, at least allow me the right to post something that is at least in the realm of possibility.

Just go back over to the sport room and your Man crush Tom Brady play along thread.

Uh, I believe your original comment was that he would have finished in a photo with Quality Road for last. Or words to that effect.

Ateam saying you are clueless was a comment about your saying Mo would have ran last, when in reality, he would have been closer to the winner than to the last place horse. Actually, that last part is me, not Ateam.

Are you even aware of what you post? Or do you hallucinate meaning to what people say here?

I think it's a combination of both, but mostly the latter (latter being the second of those two options, JIC you didn't know).

For instance, when I say you are a moronic buffoon who'd be lucky to hold Smooth Operators jock strap after a minute of water sports with hot chicks, I'm not saying you are smart. I'm in fact, saying you are drooling idiot who somehow has a vocabulary greater than 35 words.

Im just trying to keep the peace VJ.

Holy **** this is CLASSIC STUFF AND YOUR OUT OF CONTROL.

It is same type of thinking that says the best college football team could beat the worst team in the NFL.
Which a lot of people believe is possible.:zz:

Indian Charlie. You may be too dumb to grasp this post, so I won't get into why a 2yo w a fast sheet wouldn't beat a horse home in the classic. No wonder I can make money gambling w a moron like you betting into the pools.

I was trying to make a point Jack.

That being said, I seem to remember this book I had as a kid called "The Way it Was". It was a sports book recounting big moments in sports, like the shot heard round the world.

I seem to remember a college team beating the pros several decades ago :D

No wonder why I have a headache everytime I read a post from you.

Are you really this incapable of using your brain, to see that Mo wouldn't have lost the Classic by 30 lengths, which is the margin QR lost by?

You thinking a 2yo with no prior route experience stretching out to 10f and beating anything in the BC Classic is pure comedy.

Well, most people think I am funny.

Do you really believe that a horse that can rate and stay relaxed until the very moment the jock pushes the button to go would somehow go from running what he did in the BC Juvy to losing by 30 over the same track?

It's not like he was some loose on the lead horse that stole the race and would have had to contend with a field full of speed. I find it nearly impossible to believe he would have run a 2 minutes and 8 second race with his style and ability.

Wow IC do you realize you're starting to sound just like them

What's so hard to imagine about Uncle Mo not running last in the BCC when the last place horse basically was distanced??

It's not like I'm saying Mo would have won the BCC for fun, in a canter!

All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to think that with as great as he ran, he basically couldn't get an extra furlong and a half in 26 seconds! I know there's more to it than that, but to me, it's nearly impossible that he would have run last.

Sorry Charlie...the fact is if Indian Charlie wasn't Uncle Mo's sire you wouldn't even be making some of the ridiculous claims you've been making lately. You're trying to say Uncle Mo a 2yo who never ran a route of ground and is still growing and developing would've been pretty much right there if he had run in the BC Classic...you're smarter than that.

i hope this horse stays healthy, and if he improves as a 3 yr. old it will be scary.

I can't even imagine Uncle Mo beating QR at 1 1/16, much less 1 1/4. Uncle Mo is a very good, borderline great 2-year-old, but we are talking about different animals here.

So I go away for the weekend, and the dumb argument dujour is would a 2yr old have won the classic? Is this to support Doug's argument that Mo should be HOY?---OCD on Moss, Unlce Mo, the Pats etc...As if there is nothing else.

Why wouldn't he have won the classic? The ragsheet said hes fast enough

That he is a son of Indian Charlie, yes, affects my being a bigger fan of this horse.

It in no way clouds my judgment of his abilities.

And NO! I am not saying he would have been right there at the finish. I am simply saying that he would not have finished last! How is beating a horse that lost by 30 lengths the same thing as being 'right there' at the finish???

What is so difficult to believe about that? The closest thing to crazy that I've said is that he would have been closer to the winner than to the loser, at the end of the race. And that, that's not really that far fetched.

Dude, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths last week. Clearly he's not the same horse he was in the beginning of the year.

I never suggested that Mo would have beaten QR if QR had run in the Juvy either.

Again, QR ran dead last by 30 lengths. Something is obviously amiss with him.

Have people lost the ability to read? Where did I, or anyone, say that Mo would have won the Classic??

The only thing DrugS said is that he got a faster rag number, which to me, is meaningless. I already knew going in that Mo was a great 2yo and the Classic field was pretty suspect.

I wasn't talking to you.

This whole thread is silly, Arazi, who was far more impressive than Mo was in the Juvie, would he have won the classic that year also? BTW Arazi finished an electrifying 8th in the derby. That sort of throws cold water over this entire premise...

But yet you say Zenyatta would've finished third in the juvenile? That he is a son of Indian Charlie affects your rationale...a 2yo running in the Classic...you're sounding just like the fans you rail against

Arazi was handled incompetently, which you already know. He had no shot in the Derby with the way he was brought into the race.

The move he made in the BCJ was more electrifying and was more visually impressive than what Mo did, but it's ridiculous to say he was far more impressive.

I was being sarcastic in that post, sorry. I realize that sometimes that does not come through clearly in a post on the Internet.

She probably would have finished second :)

And obviously no 2yo is going to run in the BCC. The point I was trying to make there was in response to the Bidiots post about him being in a photo for last place with a distanced QR.

Bringing-up Arazi is risky. Arazi ran pretty big in the Derby considering how he was brought into the race.

Arazi probably didn't want to go 1 1/4 more than any factor, all of his best races were at or near 1 mile. That's just one problem with this argument, how far does Uncle Mo want to go? Not to mention the subtle differences in pace pressures with more mature and seasoned horses.

Arazi's juvie will probably never be matched, consider he ran by Bertrando on his wrong lead like he was standing tied to a pole, that is something no sheets or beyers can illustrate, it was purely freakish in nature.

If the Derby was at a mile, you would have a point. How about Johannesburg, one prep, well you can win the derby on 2 preps now. He simply didn't project into a 3 year old, nor was he a 1 1/4 horse. Give them 2 preps and I would still have my doubts.

Arazi's 'prep' was no more than a mere public workout. It was a gallop against the equivalent of 50k claimers.