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joeydb 11-09-2010 06:50 AM

Mike Smith is a great jockey
 
Watched the replay of the race and his stretch run navigation of the field was excellent. If Zenyatta was more used to the dirt or if Mike could have cleared the field a fraction of a second earlier, she wins.

Princess Doreen 11-09-2010 06:56 AM

Good read -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/hor...se-Racing.html

excerpt from -

Later Smith confided that he had even contemplated pulling her up after the field passed the post first time. "I was thinking what do I do? Do I pull her up?" he told me as we walked through the dark streets of Louisville.

My God - could you imagine what would happen if he did?!~

I don't think he did a thing wrong.

Smooth Operator 11-09-2010 09:25 AM

Stunning to watch that replay again

How much the camera had to pan away just to keep Z in the picture with the other horses coming down that lane the first time

I mean, if that was the first horse race I ever saw in my life … and was watching with a few of my drunken homies … it'd be like … Hey, Rick, is that your horse … number eight? … LOL … dead last … LOL … look at that f'n slow pig … LOL … LOL



Ah, but the joke would've been on me the next time they came around … as my naive azz probably would've had a 20 spot on the 'uber fast' QR



Let there be NO doubts … the GREAT Cali mare has the heart of a CHAMPION :tro:

randallscott35 11-09-2010 09:26 AM

He's not great and never has been....Occasionally he gives some great rides. Let's not throw around the term great with jockey except for a very few.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 09:27 AM

Let there be NO doubts … you have the brain of a MUSHROOM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 720920)
Stunning to watch that replay again

How much the camera had to pan away just to keep Z in the picture with the other horses coming down that lane the first time

I mean, if that was the first horse race I ever saw in my life … and was watching with a few of my drunken homies … it'd be like … Hey, Rick, is that your horse … number eight? … LOL … dead last … LOL … look at that f'n slow pig … LOL … LOL



Ah, but the joke would've been on me the next time they came around … as my naive azz probably would've had a 20 spot on the 'uber fast' QR



Let there be NO doubts … the GREAT Cali mare has the heart of a CHAMPION :tro:


Smooth Operator 11-09-2010 09:36 AM

Byk must really like you, Indian boy…



CM was great, randy.

tector 11-09-2010 09:43 AM

I agree.

He is the Eddie Maple of our time!

MaTH716 11-09-2010 09:47 AM

My problem with Mike Smith is that he seems to ride almost every other horse that he's on, like they are Zenyatta. Most of them don't fare too well by trying to come from the clouds and then going 5 wide at the top of the lane.

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 720920)
Stunning to watch that replay again

How much the camera had to pan away just to keep Z in the picture with the other horses coming down that lane the first time

I mean, if that was the first horse race I ever saw in my life … and was watching with a few of my drunken homies … it'd be like … Hey, Rick, is that your horse … number eight? … LOL … dead last … LOL … look at that f'n slow pig … LOL … LOL



Ah, but the joke would've been on me the next time they came around … as my naive azz probably would've had a 20 spot on the 'uber fast' QR



Let there be NO doubts … the GREAT Cali mare has the heart of a CHAMPION :tro:


Again the chills, excellent read. Tell your homies, whats up? From Joey S

slotdirt 11-09-2010 09:50 AM

His Jaycito ride gave a whole new definition to wide trip. Just think if ol' Mike could have figured out a way for the horse to run straight earlier. He's at least on the board, IMO.

I know Mike Smith loves the ambulance path, but that was kind of ridiculous.

Bigsmc 11-09-2010 09:52 AM

Of course he is a great jockey, he's in the Hall of Fame.

MaTH716 11-09-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 720948)
His Jaycito ride gave a whole new definition to wide trip. Just think if ol' Mike could have figured out a way for the horse to run straight earlier. He's at least on the board, IMO.

I know Mike Smith loves the ambulance path, but that was kind of ridiculous.

I think that more of a case of Jaycito getting hit with REAL DIRT for the very first time and no reacting well to it. Mike was just trying to keep him out of harms way.

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 720921)
Let's not throw around the term great with jockey except for a very few.

:tro:

slotdirt 11-09-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 720951)
I think that more of a case of Jaycito getting hit with REAL DIRT for the very first time and no reacting well to it. Mike was just trying to keep him out of harms way.

Yeah, I know, but that was still one of the more bizarre moments of the weekend. He closed purty darn well though all things considered.

cakes44 11-09-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 720950)
Of course he is a great jockey, he's in the Hall of Fame.

Earlie Fires is GREAT.

randallscott35 11-09-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 720978)
Earlie Fires is GREAT.

So is Point Given :eek:

classhandicapper 11-09-2010 11:02 AM

I don't want to argue about his talent as a rider, but one thing I am totally convinced of is that he loved that horse and is a pretty classy guy.

randallscott35 11-09-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 720997)
I don't want to argue about his talent as a rider, but one thing I am totally convinced of is that he loved that horse and is a pretty classy guy.

B/c he drinks wine with Chantal? He may well be classy but I don't know exactly what you are basing it on....The stories I've heard of him when he was in the Toga colony in the early 90's surely aren't too positive behind the scenes.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 720930)
Byk must really like you, Indian boy…



CM was great, randy.

Yeah.

And Byk must really think you are an idiot. Like everyone else besides Prudery.

dellinger63 11-09-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 721000)
B/c he drinks wine with Chantal? He may well be classy but I don't know exactly what you are basing it on....The stories I've heard of him when he was in the Toga colony in the early 90's surely aren't too positive behind the scenes.

On Saturday before the races Smith signed 100's and 100's of Zenyatta posters before going into the jocks room. That shows some class IMO.

asudevil 11-09-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 721000)
B/c he drinks wine with Chantal? He may well be classy but I don't know exactly what you are basing it on....The stories I've heard of him when he was in the Toga colony in the early 90's surely aren't too positive behind the scenes.

That's a long time ago. Mike is a terrific guy. He brought my kids into the paddock at Del Mar, took pictures with everyone standing near the jocks room....he is good people.

randallscott35 11-09-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 721050)
That's a long time ago. Mike is a terrific guy. He brought my kids into the paddock at Del Mar, took pictures with everyone standing near the jocks room....he is good people.

Glad he turned the corner.

the_fat_man 11-09-2010 01:48 PM

Blah blah blah

Smith SUCKS. No sense of pace, terrible handling (a stumbler and bumbler) and finishes like Channing Hill and Quinonez and the others. Oh, and, his lack of nuts is right up there in Johnny V territory.

Can you imagine this horse with someone who can actually FINISH a race? Someone who is able to take a tight hold, stick in stride, and provide some help in getting to the wire.

Smith knew exactly what he was doing when he started bawling like a baby after the race. He knew he ****ed up and it wasn't when he got outrun early.

Smooth Operator 11-09-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 720943)
Again the chills, excellent read. Tell your homies, whats up? From Joey S


No problem, Rock

I lift with them a couple times a week


It's a good idea to stay on their good side. :D

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 721130)
No problem, Rock

I lay with them a couple times a week


It's a good idea to stay on their back side. :D

Fixed that again for you.

reese 11-09-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 720941)
My problem with Mike Smith is that he seems to ride almost every other horse that he's on, like they are Zenyatta. Most of them don't fare too well by trying to come from the clouds and then going 5 wide at the top of the lane.

I don't know if that is Smith's style or the horses he rides are closers.

Clearly, Z is that type of racer and so was Giacomo. Jock probably has to have a good sense of pace and timing to win on a closer. Maybe Smith gets the come from behind racers becasue he is good on that type.

Smith didn't get to the HOF by being "popular".

classhandicapper 11-09-2010 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 721000)
B/c he drinks wine with Chantal? He may well be classy but I don't know exactly what you are basing it on....The stories I've heard of him when he was in the Toga colony in the early 90's surely aren't too positive behind the scenes.

I called him classy because of the way he has carried himself under intense pressure and because of the way he cares about the horse.

keithting 11-09-2010 06:17 PM

Not to change the subject - but I'm interested in who this group would name as a great jockey - I saw some GREAT riders in the 70's and 80's in NY - -Cauthen, Cordero, Velasquez, etc.

but in his prime, for my money, I'd take Laffit Pincay, Jr. in a heartbeat

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 06:51 PM

I automatically thought of Brett Prebble but since a lot of people don't really know who he is over here I'll say Fallon.

Masterful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHXc1...eature=related

NTamm1215 11-09-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 721181)
I automatically thought of Brett Prebble but since a lot of people don't really know who he is over here I'll say Fallon.

Masterful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHXc1...eature=related

You follow Euro racing and I wanted to ask someone who did but is it true that Murtagh is being ditched by Ballydoyle? I saw something yesterday that said Christophe Soumillon is the leading candidate to take over. I think Soumillon is a good rider.

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 07:00 PM

Yeah agree a very good rider.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39366

Maybe I'm crazy and Brock might have some insight but I think Fallon returns.

eajinabi 11-09-2010 07:31 PM

Do you think David Flores would have been better? He rode her the first three times and if wasnt for him to stay in So Cal to ride Bobs Black Jack in the '08 SA derby instead of the Apple Blossom he still would have been her jockey.

CSC 11-09-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 721183)
You follow Euro racing and I wanted to ask someone who did but is it true that Murtagh is being ditched by Ballydoyle? I saw something yesterday that said Christophe Soumillon is the leading candidate to take over. I think Soumillon is a good rider.

Interesting name, Julien Leparioux has come up.

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 721169)
Not to change the subject - but I'm interested in who this group would name as a great jockey - I saw some GREAT riders in the 70's and 80's in NY - -Cauthen, Cordero, Velasquez, etc.

but in his prime, for my money, I'd take Laffit Pincay, Jr. in a heartbeat

Laffit Pincay is my top choice. Cordero would probably be second.

Kent D was awesome before he succumbed to spontaneous brain damage.

P.Val as well, until that fateful ride on the nondescript Bill Spawr filly, Long Long Trail.

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 721209)
Laffit Pincay is my top choice. Cordero would probably be second.

Kent D was awesome before he succumbed to spontaneous brain damage.

P.Val as well, until that fateful ride on the nondescript Bill Spawr filly, Long Long Trail.

When was that in relation to when he stopped riding Paddy to let the other nice horsie pass him so he could be 2nd?

Indian Charlie 11-09-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 721215)
When was that in relation to when he stopped riding Paddy to let the other nice horsie pass him so he could be 2nd?

Hmm, about 20 years, give or take.

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 721216)
Hmm, about 20 years, give or take.

:tro:

NTamm1215 11-09-2010 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 721196)
Interesting name, Julien Leparioux has come up.

I wonder if he'd even be interested. He's carved out a nice niche in America and has the backing of a few big stables. To say his Breeders' Cup was disappointing is an understatement since he rode in 12 of 14 races. It seems like he'll keep getting on decent 2YOs until they've McPeeked.

my miss storm cat 11-09-2010 09:05 PM

Wow you just coined a great phrase!

Bravo, Sir. :tro:

RockHardTen1985 11-09-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 721266)
I wonder if he'd even be interested. He's carved out a nice niche in America and has the backing of a few big stables. To say his Breeders' Cup was disappointing is an understatement since he rode in 12 of 14 races. It seems like he'll keep getting on decent 2YOs until they've McPeeked.

Who exactly is he first call for?
Mcpeek is all I can think of.


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