Classic Sheet Numbers
 

Does anyone know what they were for Zenyatta and Blame?

Jerry Brown should have final Thoro-Graph numbers for the Cup sometime today.. At a glance, it looks like the winners ran neg. 2's with the 3yo's running 0's. Anything above a -1.2 for Zenyatta would be a career top, which would be yet another astounding compliment to Shirreffs.

Time to retire her I guess.

Wait and see about the retirement. Shirreffs feels she's 100% retired, but the Mosses are so attached to her, it will not surprise if they go around again. As has been said well by several, with the ridiculous streak portion of the equation over, there's no reason not to really showcase her. I wouldn't have thought this discussion was possible until Moss opened the door last week with the 'not necessarily retiring' comment on draw day.

People I work with who could not possibly care less about racing wouldn't stop talking about how exciting the Classic was. "Oh my God, that was awesome. She totally should have won" was all I heard all day yesterday. I think announcing that she'll return to the track in 2011 not only has a chance to really give racing a boost, it might also give her a snowball's chance at HOY.

As much as I'd like to see her back for another year- why leave when you just ran your best- i honestly could do without another year of soft 5 filly fields in California and all of the endless debate regarding her place in history.

Yeah, the only reason to really bring her back is to mop up on the handicap division. Short of that, what is the point?

Yes, and if she comes back with any type of ambitious schedule of dirt races, those people will see that she " totally shouldn't have won. "

Maybe. But at least they'll see horse racing.

(Note: This is not a claim that handle will be positively impacted. Nor is it a claim that TV ratings will increase. Nor is it a claim that anyone, anywhere, will become or remain a racing fan.)

.....she isnt as good as last year and will only be worse as a 7 year old.....time to end it.

My heart couldn't take it.:eek:

I would love to bet against her in the right spot. I hope they take the ambitious path and go east and against males in races like the Met Mile, Stephen Foster, Whitney, Woodward etc. If she raced in just one of those, I'd be very interested.

Considering the way the race track played during the Breeders Cup - the sheet numbers are going to come back out of whack.

Horses are going to be rewarded for racing wide - and they were better off being in the four path than on the rail.

Three 9 fur races and one at a mile. From her speed figs, 1 1/4 seems to be her best distance. The only races at that distance before the JCGC in the east are the Del Cap and the PE, both for F & Ms. The 1 3/16 Pim Special would have been a nice eastern race for her in the spring, but that is a moot point.

Don't forget your bobblehead!

I think in almost every situation I would rather have my horse in the 4 path with no horse to my outside than on the rail possibly or probably pinned down, or in the 2 path even between horses. Guessing here but 9 times out of 10 I would rather have my horse swinging a bit wide out of trouble than saving ground and in tight quarters. I think the "figs" would be better without the ground lost enhancements? If you are already on the lead, fine, but coming out of the turn and into the stretch give me the horse on the outside. Unless of course you are in the midst of a tremendous bias like your 1 horse at PID

TG figs are up for both days:



http://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/20101...010bcf_10s.pdf

Blame -2.25
Zenyatta -1.75
Goldikova -2
Uncle Mo 0
Big Drama -1.5
Hamazing Destiny -2.5 (!)
Unrivaled Belle -1.75
Awesome Feather 4
Dubai Majesty -2.5

Quality Road's 2010 campaign on their numbers:

Negative 7.5

(almost 4 month layoff)

Negative 5.75

(10 week layoff)

Negative 3.25

(Month layoff)

Negative 2

(Month layoff)

12.5 X (an X on sheets stands for racing on a dead rail)


I assume this is called the "Titanic pattern" - and Quality Road would run a 25 next time out. A number which gets you beat at Portland Meadows.

Maybe I am wrong here but that -2 seems a little fast considering its a new top for her by 3 points. But what the heck shes a great mare.

Pretty funny... Read a post on the TG board not three minutes ago asking if the Mile doesn't seem inordinately fast.

(On a seperate note regarding the figs, I sent your man a text last night with Delightful Mary's number (4.5). She ran a terrific race at 11-1, and as much as I was convinced of Awesome Feather's quality, was very pleased to have backed the Casse charge by putting her on top in my Selections. Big future ahead for her..)

Interesting observation, I didn't catch that... no question it was a huge race, but a new top by 3 points is monster. However, I just went through the rest of the numbers for the two mile turf races and it fits really well- and if they are correct about her being 5W4W (I'm assuming they are) then she could have been even faster. Pluck got a 7.75 while 2W2W, so a 9.75 raw, and Goldi was 7.25 points faster on time- so 2.5 raw and -4.5 final (but that would give everybody else in the Mile a top as well, instead they all were close to their normal range which makes sense since it was a very formful race.)

Sometimes I think the European TG's are a little worse than they should be- I think that's because there is no adjustment for ground loss and time means little.

Is there an adjustment for # of rabbits?

Like all Turf TG's they are as useless as tits on a nun.

I think most would agree, but the intent of Thorograph numbers is to measure the performance, so horses that ran more ground in the same time arguably performed better. That doesn't mean they'll get a better trip next time, which has to be factored when considering late runners and outside draws for future events.

I thought it was her best so I'm not surprised. I swear I don't know if I've ever seen an explosion like she let loose with at the top of the lane.

Mark was telling me that this AM that you sent him the number, I was very proud of her effort and I also think she has a big future ahead of her, everything about her says shes going to improve from 2 to 3. Shes actually down on he farm with me right now enjoying the Sunshine and she looks like she came out of the race in fine order.

Rag numbers are out … virtually identical for B and Z.

Not bad for an old mare taking on males in their prime, eh



By the way, they haven't made QR's fig yet as he only just reached the eighth pole a few minutes ago… LOL

lol

lol

Z wasn't in her prime? If not, when was her prime?

The once invincible Beyer darling, 128 @ GP, is now the king of the NO MAS.

Refuses last year and fails to beat the outriders around this year. At least he got in the gate, however.:rolleyes: I see BIG NUMBERS @ GP this winter for him. He'll be back and he can DEFINITELY get 10F. :rolleyes:

ha ha ha

lol > ha ha ha

Too funny, Fats

Maybe they'll have a special Roberto Duran No Mas award for the connections of RA and QR this January

Is that not the 3rd TG zero in a row for Uncle Mo?