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MaTH716 11-05-2010 06:42 PM

Life at Ten
 
Could somebody help me out to what the F happened? Was she lame? I Put some bets in with about a minute to post and didn't see any of the post parade. There seemed to be a very big problem with her.

knickslions2 11-05-2010 06:44 PM

Not sure what was wrong but she should have scratched for sure

hockey2315 11-05-2010 06:45 PM

Johnny V said to the ESPN guys before the race that she wasn't warming up right and something was wrong. This is B-A-D.

robfla 11-05-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 717125)
Could somebody help me out to what the F happened? Was she lame? I Put some bets in with about a minute to post and didn't see any of the post parade. There seemed to be a very big problem with her.


They interviewed Johnny V when she was warming up. He wasn't comfortable with her at all. She shouldn't have ran

knickslions2 11-05-2010 06:46 PM

Had it all today. Can't wait until tomorrow

packerbacker7964 11-05-2010 06:46 PM

Pletcher said she should've been scratched. Had a bad warm up and not herself. JV was concerned enough he asked the Vets to check her out and ESPN was all over her not being herself. She burned alot of money at 3-1 is all I know.

Arletta 11-05-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 717135)
Had it all today. Can't wait until tomorrow

:rolleyes:

Arletta 11-05-2010 06:49 PM

Poor girl.. You could tell she was not feeling well... WTF?

Rileyoriley 11-05-2010 06:50 PM

Colic maybe? She was too quiet.:(

Arletta 11-05-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley (Post 717142)
Colic maybe? She was too quiet.:(

Thats what it appeared to be to me too.. Her tummy was hurting her.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 06:52 PM

Pletcher said she may have had a bad reaction to Lasix or the lights were bothering her or a combo. They should have scratched her. People who placed a bet on her have a right to be angry.

A really screwed up day of racing.

cabvmd 11-05-2010 06:55 PM

colic or if they gave her milk shake or some other type of fluids to cause some type of imbalanece in her system

You could see that sthe was splinting her abdomen. there was a sharp line of demarcation all along her ventral body.


I have worked the gate asa vet for 25 years and all the jock had to say is look at me.. I saw it from far away

Rileyoriley 11-05-2010 06:55 PM

The trainer and the jockey should have jointly scratched her if they felt she wasn't 100% right. Nothing like putting the welfare of the horse first.:mad:

wild barry 11-05-2010 06:58 PM

Quite a day for the Breeders Cup. Fights, DQ'S, and a unsound horse at 7/2 running in the finale. What next?

Arletta 11-05-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wild barry (Post 717158)
Quite a day for the Breeders Cup. Fights, DQ'S, and a unsound horse at 7/2 running in the finale. What next?

I'm not saying it :p

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wild barry (Post 717158)
Quite a day for the Breeders Cup. Fights, DQ'S, and a unsound horse at 7/2 running in the finale. What next?

Let's not forget the gate crew loading the horses in the wrong gates.

What happened today IS NOT going to bring in new fans.

slotdirt 11-05-2010 07:20 PM

Definitely a tough situation for JV. I thought he handled it as well as possible, though it was quite clear the horse shouldn't have won.

EDIT - shouldn't have RUN, not won.

brianwspencer 11-05-2010 07:33 PM

What a disgrace, pure and simple, in every way.

Between 10 other horses and riders potentially being put in danger, and hundreds of thousands of guaranteed losing tickets, this was beyond shameful.

trackrat59 11-05-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cabvmd (Post 717152)
colic or if they gave her milk shake or some other type of fluids to cause some type of imbalanece in her system

You could see that sthe was splinting her abdomen. there was a sharp line of demarcation all along her ventral body.
I have worked the gate asa vet for 25 years and all the jock had to say is look at me.. I saw it from far away

I saw that too. Poor thing. Something didn't agree with her.

Slewbopper 11-05-2010 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wild barry (Post 717158)
Quite a day for the Breeders Cup. Fights, DQ'S, and a unsound horse at 7/2 running in the finale. What next?

Don't forget the dimwits that loaded most of the juvy filly turf field in the wrong gates and they had to back them all out

DaTruth 11-05-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 717193)
What a disgrace, pure and simple, in every way.

Between 10 other horses and riders potentially being put in danger, and hundreds of thousands of guaranteed losing tickets, this was beyond shameful.

It would have been a public relations disaster if she had injured herself while jogging around the track during the race.

PatCummings 11-05-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 717143)
Thats what it appeared to be to me too.. Her tummy was hurting her.

Horsewoman sitting behind me at track said she looked colicky going into the gate as she wasn't really extending while walking...vet missed it bad.

brianwspencer 11-05-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 717215)
It would have been a public relations disaster if she had injured herself while jogging around the track during the race.

Yep -- and the thing is, this time, we'd have had NO defense at all....what on earth would we tell people?

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Slewbopper (Post 717213)
Don't forget the dimwits that loaded most of the juvy filly turf field in the wrong gates and they had to back them all out

Echo or invisible ink?:confused:

trackrat59 11-05-2010 08:06 PM

If anyone gets an update on LAT please let us know. After running around the track like that while she clearly felt like hell, it would be nice to know that she'll be ok.

HaloWishingwell 11-05-2010 08:09 PM

I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 08:11 PM

Good thoughts for Life At Ten. It sure would be a permanent black eye on horse racing if anything happened to her. Even if she comes out of this 100% A OK, it's still going to be hard to explain why they let her run. Poor baby.

keithting 11-05-2010 08:11 PM

Todd Pletcher said in the ESPN post-interview that he thought it was a reaction to the lasix.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 08:13 PM

Yup, definitely an echo or invisible ink.:)

keithting 11-05-2010 08:15 PM

The tone of the ESPN coverage just prior to the race was that they could not believe that she was not scratched or at least looked over by the gate Vet just prior to the race. Johnny V said clearly, when interviewed during the warmups, that she was not "acting right".

DaTruth 11-05-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 717233)
Yep -- and the thing is, this time, we'd have had NO defense at all....what on earth would we tell people?

They would probably blame it on a lack of communication between JV and the vet at the gate.

Can you imagine the media circus that would have taken place? Politicians would be stepping over one another to punish the racing industry.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 717257)
The tone of the ESPN coverage just prior to the race was that they could not believe that she was not scratched or at least looked over by the gate Vet just prior to the race. Johnny V said clearly, when interviewed during the warmups, that she was not "acting right".

If the vet wasn't paying attention, all JV had to do was dismount from the horse. That would have sent a clear enough signal.

Linny 11-05-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 717193)
What a disgrace, pure and simple, in every way.

Between 10 other horses and riders potentially being put in danger, and hundreds of thousands of guaranteed losing tickets, this was beyond shameful.

"I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill."


Not just tickets on LAT in question. My friend and I played a tri and super based on a potentially sharp pace. We were at a simulcast and didn't get to see or hear the pre race because we were in line to bet. Our bet assumed that LAT would be involved in the pace and set up a kickers race. When LAT looked like an old lesson horse out of the gate we were both stunned. When the splits were posted we knew we were in deep weeds. When Acoma was sitting third, I was cooked.
Whether betting on her or against her, people playing the race had the right to fit and sound participants. Everyone in all the pools in that race had to have figured a 7/2 mare with high early speed as a factor in the race, even if they bet against her.
As a multi-race player, I had no way to know before the prior races that there was concern about Life At Ten.

Rudeboyelvis 11-05-2010 09:03 PM

I would love to know how many times a day this happens all around the country without ESPN cameras and miked up jocks :rolleyes:

Prolly need to get over it

MaTH716 11-05-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 717312)
I would love to know how many times a day this happens all around the country without ESPN cameras and miked up jocks :rolleyes:

Prolly need to get over it

Fair point Dan, but this was a 2 million dollar race in the national spotlight and not some horse making a plunge for 10k. It's a diservice either way, but if it happens on a Wednesday night at Penn National you're not that suprised, but when it happens in the feature on day one of the Breeders Cup there is something wrong. I think it would be easier to swallow if the vets checked her out at the gate, but with the way it went down and her not running a step, all that happened was that bettors got screwed in a big way.
Thankfully it did seem like she will be okay.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-05-2010 09:24 PM

She stumbled twice in the post parade while JRV was trying to get her to warm up a little.

Watching it again - it reminded me of the time my ear drum broke. I could barely keep my balance doing anything more than a walk. She didn't seem to have very good balance when JRV attempted to warm her up.

keithting 11-05-2010 09:34 PM

TP also said in the post-race that LAT was not quite right when being saddled - "she almost seemed sedated" - He said that he wanted Johnny V "to really warm her up".

So IMO when she didn't respond, the onus was on the jockey to inform the VET that there was a problem. I know that it is a tough call for the jockey when owners are at the races to see her run, but .... what if she was injured during the race?

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keithting (Post 717350)
TP also said in the post-race that LAT was not quite right when being saddled - "she almost seemed sedated" - He said that he wanted Johnny V "to really warm her up".

So IMO when she didn't respond, the onus was on the jockey to inform the VET that there was a problem. I know that it is a tough call for the jockey when owners are at the races to see her run, but .... what if she was injured during the race?

JV needs to grow some cajones like Bailey had when he opted off of Noble Causeway in the 2005 Jim Dandy a few seconds before loading into the gate.

MaTH716 11-05-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 717338)
She stumbled twice in the post parade while JRV was trying to get her to warm up a little.

Watching it again - it reminded me of the time my ear drum broke. I could barely keep my balance doing anything more than a walk. She didn't seem to have very good balance when JRV attempted to warm her up.

Maybe she was only wearing one contact lens today.......................

MaTH716 11-05-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717353)
JV needs to grow some cajones like Bailey had when he opted off of Noble Causeway in the 2005 Jim Dandy a few seconds before loading into the gate.

I really don't think it's that easy for JV. Opt not to ride for your #1 employer in a two million dollar race? Should have he called the vet over, yes. Do I think he would have rode her if she/he was in some sort of danger, no. He really never seemed to urge/get in to her either. He was in a no win situation. Also, Pletcher knew there was an issue in the paddock and I'm sure he watched her very carefully warming up. If anyone should get the blame IMO it is him.


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