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Seattleallstar 11-05-2010 03:48 PM

Calm down Calvin
 
WHOA!

randallscott35 11-05-2010 03:50 PM

People can die out there. I don't blame him for being mad at all.

gales0678 11-05-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 717010)
People can die out there. I don't blame him for being mad at all.

never see javier try that hard during the week in new york , simply amazing randy

cakes44 11-05-2010 03:52 PM

He's fighting for his life out there. It's not like he can read and therefore do anything else if riding horses goes down the tubes.

scat daddy 11-05-2010 04:18 PM

Please take it to the JOCKS room and not in front of everyone from the sport and in front of a large tv crowd that might have many checking it out for the first,second time. Not good for our sport folks..

Scat

Dahoss 11-05-2010 04:19 PM

It was kind of funny watching Jaime Theriot and Shane Sellers trying to hold Borel back.

Dahoss 11-05-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scat daddy (Post 717031)
Please take it to the JOCKS room and not in front of everyone from the sport and in front of a large tv crowd that might have many checking it out for the first,second time. Not good for our sport folks..

Scat

Totally disagree. It might turn the pretty horsey people off, but they love Borel anyway. I've gotten two texts already from non racing fan friends asking about it and they are watching the races now.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 04:24 PM

Hockey fisticuffs come to TB horse racing. Could bring in more fans?!~

Personally, I found it ugly and upsetting.

Did Calvin give Martin an assist to help steady him when Martin came out of the saddle?

Shame about Prince Will - he's a nice horse.

DaTruth 11-05-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717037)
Hockey fisticuffs come to TB horse racing. Could bring in more fans?!~

Personally, I found it ugly and upsetting.

Did Calvin give Martin an assist to help steady him when Martin came out of the saddle?

Shame about Prince Will - he's a nice horse.

It is a natural progression from midget wrestling.

johnny pinwheel 11-05-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 717062)
It is a natural progression from midget wrestling.

when the track gets sloppy...they're sticking two female jocks out there for mud wrestling....

Scav 11-05-2010 07:20 PM

Can someone post a link to the fight? I caught a glimpse of it on TSN but haven't been able to find it on Youtube yet.

brianwspencer 11-05-2010 07:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8fMJF_leNA

10 pnt move up 11-05-2010 07:29 PM

Who knew the Marathon would add all the spice to Ladies day at the BC.

Scav 11-05-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 717185)

Thanks...

herkhorse 11-05-2010 07:59 PM

After things cooled down, Calvin handled it way better than ESPN.

HaloWishingwell 11-05-2010 08:02 PM

"must have been an allergic reaction to the lasix"

Oaklawnfan 11-05-2010 08:15 PM

Don't be throwin' down with no Cajun racer:Come on men, it's Calvin at Churchill.

docicu3 11-05-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 717185)


CB's reaction is more understandable if he was indeed suckered with a left hand as the first punch thrown. The camera angle has a large dude blocking the majority of the early prefight view when Borel is initially giving JC an ear full.

ESPN with all it's high tech toys never mentions this possibility so maybe I'm wrong but this isn't the first time Javier has tried to occupy a space that was not close to clear. JC is talented and improving IMO but he's also a dangerous punk at times. If he did sucker Borel he should get a suspension that fits the crime like BC days of some sort that would get the message across.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 08:54 PM

Somebody gets in my face waving their finger at me, it's either going to get bit or slapped away. That's what JC did, and Calvin deserved it. Calvin's actions today undo a lot of good I thought about him.

They both deserve a fine and suspension, but I don't believe JC did anything intentional. Calvin did. He's nothing but a punk fighting to keep his employment intact.

Seattleallstar 11-05-2010 08:55 PM

props to Martin Garcia for the way he handled things as he was the one out of all of them who had all the reason to get upset, nice to know he remembers he had a mom who raised him right.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar (Post 717304)
props to Martin Garcia for the way he handled things as he was the one out of all of them who had all the reason to get upset, nice to know he remembers he had a mom who raised him right.

I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.

What a schittee day of racing.

Kingturf 11-05-2010 09:28 PM

2 races later the police had to escort Calvin from the track to the jockey room right before he made it the tunnel, they (police) was restraining him again and he was pissed. I think it was due to; some patron said something vulgar towards him.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-05-2010 10:28 PM

Javier Castallano is the one who threw the first punch...albeit after Borel was pointing his finger in his face and shouting at him.

If this happened in a football game ... Borel would not get flagged at all - and Javier would get a 15 yard personal foul and perhaps get ejected.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 717423)
Javier Castallano is the one who threw the first punch...albeit after Borel was pointing his finger in his face and shouting at him.

If this happened in a football game ... Borel would not get flagged at all - and Javier would get a 15 yard personal foul and perhaps get ejected.

This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

MaTH716 11-05-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717450)
This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?

Indian Charlie 11-05-2010 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717450)

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

Did you really just say that?

wow.

What's next, Pletcher's future as a trainer will be very much in jeopardy?

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 717459)
Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?

Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!

Indian Charlie 11-05-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717476)
Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!

Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

Dahoss 11-05-2010 11:10 PM

I think something being lost in all of this is Borel putting himself in a bad spot to begin with. By no means am I excusing Castellano. He was absolutely wrong and could have killed someone today. It's not the first time and he needs to be suspended.

I watched the blimp view of the race. Borel was going up into a spot that just wasn't there. He would have never gotten through and frankly if anyone should have been mad, it was Garcia. Now, I get Borel was probably upset and I totally get spur letting your emotions get the best of you in that spot. But, the same thing that put Calvin on the map is the same thing that got him in trouble today. Going into spots that most wouldn't or probably shouldn't.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 717479)
Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

Fearless Leader 11-05-2010 11:16 PM

Maybe Castellano's father-in-law will send him to his room without any supper.

slotdirt 11-05-2010 11:20 PM

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

v j stauffer 11-05-2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717450)
This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

This incident will have ZERO bearing on his future as a jockey. Things like this happen everyday. This unfortunately was played out on national TV. Tomorrow there will be a new crisis and everybody will move on.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 717507)
I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

Javier is no pinhead. And, if it's open season on jocks beating up on other jocks, then that truly will be the death knell of horse racing.

And, is it really about injury that didn't happen or a jockey thinking his horse would have done better had the incident not happened?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-05-2010 11:26 PM

I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

Dahoss 11-05-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 717507)
I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

I have no problem with him going after Castellano at all. I just think he was trying to go into a spot that wasn't there. Frankly, I thought the fight was great. It's a dangerous game and we saw it and it was great TV.

Castellano was totally wrong, he got DQ'd and I imagine he'll get suspended. But if you get a chance to watch a replay from the blimp view, check out the hole Borel is trying to get through.

Princess Doreen 11-05-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 717513)
This incident will have ZERO bearing on his future as a jockey. Things like this happen everyday. This unfortunately was played out on national TV. Tomorrow there will be a new crisis and everybody will move on.

I value your opinion (check your PM's). But Calvin's career outside of Churchill needs a major shot in the arm and the incident today won't help.

v j stauffer 11-05-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 717507)
I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

He's wrong because at this level a jockey MUST control his emotions and actions both on and off the track. That is why they have stewards.

Dahoss 11-05-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 717516)
I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

Totally agree. I also think Borel is so used to the sea parting for him, that he was taken back but it not happening, especially at Churchill.

Indian Charlie 11-05-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 717494)
My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.


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