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Kasept 10-15-2010 03:20 PM

Breeders' Cup Notes: Rogue Romance (J or J/T); Kinsale King (SPR)
 
MARTY MCGEE (DRF): Trainer David Carroll announced Friday that Acoma, winner of the Grade 1 Juddmonte Spinster Stakes here last weekend, will indeed make the final start of her career in the Nov. 5 Breeders’ Cup Distaff at Churchill Downs. Owners Helen Groves and Helen Alexander were all but settled on retiring Acoma until she captured the Spinster at 23-1.

STEVE ANDERSON (DRF): Acaffella underwent surgery on Monday after being diagnosed with a hairline fracture of a cannon bone following a fifth-place finish in the Grade 1 Norfolk Stakes on Oct. 2. Trainer Richard Mandella said that during the surgery Acaffella had a stabilizing screw placed in the cannon bone. Acaffella was being considered for the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf at Churchill Downs on Nov. 6.

Kasept 10-15-2010 05:37 PM

STEVE ANDERSON (DRF): Where’s the Remote, the runner-up in the Grade 1 Clement Hirsch Turf Championship at Hollywood Park on Oct. 3, may be bound for the Breeders’ Cup after all. Trainer Mike Mitchell is considering a start in the $500,000 Breeders’ Cup Marathon over 1 3/4 miles on the main track at Churchill Downs on Nov. 6 for the 4-year-old gelding. “My gut feeling is I will work him twice here and that will tell us what to do,” Mitchell said. “I want to run him in the Breeders’ Cup Dirt Marathon, but I don’t want to waste my guy’s money.”

Alan07 10-17-2010 02:42 PM

STEVE ANDERSON (DRF): Rigoletta, the winner of the Grade 1 Oak Leaf Stakes at Hollywood Park on Oct. 3, will miss the Juvenile Fillies at Churchill Downs on Nov. 5 because of a splint injury, trainer Dan Hendricks said on Sunday.

Indian Charlie 10-17-2010 04:18 PM

I'm glad horses never get injured over synthetic.

tjfla 10-18-2010 09:52 AM

DRF.com

Twirling Candy is skipping the BC and Awesome Gem is possible for the Classic(Depends on workouts this week)

knickslions2 10-18-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 708299)
DRF.com

Twirling Candy is skipping the BC and Awesome Gem is possible for the Classic(Depends on workouts this week)

Good saves me money

RockHardTen1985 10-18-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 708299)
DRF.com

Twirling Candy is skipping the BC and Awesome Gem is possible for the Classic(Depends on workouts this week)

Why not take a shot in the Dirt Mile with TC if he is doing OK?

Kasept 10-18-2010 10:59 AM

AT THE RACES WITH STEVE BYK (SiriusXM): Redwood not moving on to BC Turf after 3rd in Pattison Saturday according to Garrett O'Rourke of Juddmonte on ATR Monday.. Paddy O'Prado for the Classic termed a 'possibility' by Dale Romans to me Sunday.. Mad Flatter arrived safely back to Keeneland in excellent shape Monday morning (9am) according to Jeff Thornbury on ATR, and appears likely for a try in the Dirt Mile on the track where he broke his maiden..

knickslions2 10-18-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 708318)
Why not take a shot in the Dirt Mile with TC if he is doing OK?

Thought thats where he would go for sure. Seems to be the right distance and race for him. They have have very cautious with this horse.

NTamm1215 10-18-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 708319)
Paddy O'Prado for the Classic termed a 'possibility' by Dale Romans to me Sunday..[/i]

Is the 20 day forecast for rain?

randallscott35 10-18-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 708323)
Is the 20 day forecast for rain?

They'll have to sprout fins to get to him.

RockHardTen1985 10-18-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 708319)
AT THE RACES WITH STEVE BYK (SiriusXM): Redwood not moving on to BC Turf after 3rd in Pattison Saturday according to Garrett O'Rourke of Juddmonte on ATR Monday.. Paddy O'Prado for the Classic termed a 'possibility' by Dale Romans to me Sunday..

Im not sure the Classic is a bad idea at all. He cant win the turf, I doubt he can even run 1-2-3. Why not take a shot for more $?

tjfla 10-18-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 708321)
Thought thats where he would go for sure. Seems to be the right distance and race for him. They have have very cautious with this horse.

For (DRF)
Twirling Candy will await Strub series

The Breeders’ Cup races will not feature Twirling Candy, trainer John Sadler indicated on Saturday.

Twirling Candy was fourth as the favorite in his stakes debut against older horses in the Goodwood Stakes, and will be pointed for the Strub series for 4-year-olds of 2011 at Santa Anita this winter.

The first leg of the Strub series is the Grade 1 Malibu Stakes over seven furlongs for 3-year-olds on Dec. 26. Twirling Candy has won 4 of 5 starts, including two turf stakes for 3-year-olds at Del Mar – the Oceanside Stakes and Del Mar Derby.

knickslions2 10-18-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tjfla (Post 708343)
For (DRF)
Twirling Candy will await Strub series

The Breeders’ Cup races will not feature Twirling Candy, trainer John Sadler indicated on Saturday.

Twirling Candy was fourth as the favorite in his stakes debut against older horses in the Goodwood Stakes, and will be pointed for the Strub series for 4-year-olds of 2011 at Santa Anita this winter.

The first leg of the Strub series is the Grade 1 Malibu Stakes over seven furlongs for 3-year-olds on Dec. 26. Twirling Candy has won 4 of 5 starts, including two turf stakes for 3-year-olds at Del Mar – the Oceanside Stakes and Del Mar Derby.

Thanks for the info. I've liked this horse from Day1. This sounds right for him.

Clip-Clop 10-18-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 708325)
They'll have to sprout fins to get to him.

:tro:

Indian Charlie 10-18-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 708323)
Is the 20 day forecast for rain?

If there is, at least the turf course will still be firm.

If it was in Europe at least.

tjfla 10-18-2010 02:48 PM

(Haskin and Downey Profile)

Thiskyhasnolimit, winner of the 2009 Grade III Iroquois Stakes at Churchill, is a 3-year-old that may go in the Dirt Mile. He worked five furlongs in 1:01.00 (3/44).

Astrology, who's being pointed to the Juvenile, went in 1:01.80 (11/44), breezing.

tjfla 10-18-2010 04:35 PM

Atta Boy Roy is a confirmed for the Dirt Sprint after he told his trainer "No grass and don’t run me in the Turf Sprint":D

Gotta love these trainers who can speak to their horses

Cannon Shell 10-18-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 708327)
Im not sure the Classic is a bad idea at all. He cant win the turf, I doubt he can even run 1-2-3. Why not take a shot for more $?

I was going to say the exact opposite

Alan07 10-19-2010 02:04 AM

Filly & Mare Sprint likely to precede BC Distaff...

Travis Stone 10-19-2010 08:23 AM

Paddy O Prado couldn't beat Winchester, who needs a big step-up to beat the B horses coming over from Europe. At least in the Classic he'll have pace... I can see them taking a shot.

I hate throwing a blanket over all Euros in any race, but the Turf division here is really, really weak.

freddymo 10-19-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 708642)
Paddy O Prado couldn't beat Winchester, who needs a big step-up to beat the B horses coming over from Europe. At least in the Classic he'll have pace... I can see them taking a shot.

I hate throwing a blanket over all Euros in any race, but the Turf division here is really, really weak.



When was it Really Really strong? The stock is gone and the industry breeds for speed on dirt. Who breeds a mare to turf stallion? Even Stormy Atlantic a terriffic US based stallion doesnt get the commericial success you would think. All the best grass mares are shipped abroad save a few based with the super elite US based owners. While the advent of the juvy BC grass races has spurred a smattering of interest back in grass stock, most of the decent stock is still gobbled up and shipped and bred to propper stallions in Europe.

Kasept 10-19-2010 12:39 PM

SHUBACK (DRF): Workout Saturday (10/23) will determine if Stoute sends Workforce to the Turf. Gosden appears to now want to send 6yo Tazeez to the Turf after solid effort at Newmarket last week..

Kasept 10-19-2010 12:48 PM

STEVE HASKIN (B-H): Tom Amoss trained Falling Knife went a half mile in company as he prepares for a try for owner Seth Klarman (Klaravich Stables) in the Marathon..

randallscott35 10-19-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 708709)
STEVE HASKIN (B-H): Tom Amoss trained Falling Knife went a half mile in company as he prepares for a try for owner Seth Klarman (Klaravich Stables) in the Marathon..

That's a great name for a horse.

hockey2315 10-19-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 708719)
That's a great name for a horse.

They name every horse after a finance term. . . It's kind of annoying.

randallscott35 10-19-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 708724)
They name every horse after a finance term. . . It's kind of annoying.

Not for someone who teaches econ...but it is better than Karakorum Shitbrick or whatever they are up to at this point.

hockey2315 10-19-2010 01:39 PM

I just find them sort of redundant. . . even if they're all different terms. If I were those guys, I'm not sure I'd want to make it known that I'm in the business of managing money, considering how they manage their stable.

randallscott35 10-19-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 708726)
I just find them sort of redundant. . . even if they're all different terms. If I were those guys, I'm not sure I'd want to make it known that I'm in the business of managing money, considering how they manage their stable.

Agreed...Finance people have inflated egos generally therefore it is not surprising that they would choose whatever terms people will recognize in that world.

NTamm1215 10-19-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 708726)
I just find them sort of redundant. . . even if they're all different terms. If I were those guys, I'm not sure I'd want to make it known that I'm in the business of managing money, considering how they manage their stable.

I laughed. Amazing how the business plan of over-paying for 2YOs who go quickly at auctions works out.

Alan07 10-19-2010 02:30 PM

ANDERSON (DRF): Richard’s Kid, the winner of the Pacific Classic and Goodwood Stakes in his last two starts, will not start in the $5 million Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs on Nov. 6, and he will be sent to Dubai for racing this winter, trainer Bob Baffert said on Tuesday.

brockguy 10-19-2010 03:19 PM

Hopefully Workforce comes over as I think he is a huge bet against...

randallscott35 10-19-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 708741)
Hopefully Workforce comes over as I think he is a huge bet against...

i agree

hockey2315 10-19-2010 03:29 PM

Me too.

Kasept 10-19-2010 03:44 PM

STEVE BYK (At the Races, SiriusXM): Carla Gaines confirmed Tuesday that B. Wayne Hughes' Temple City will go to Churchill Downs to compete in the Breeders' Cup Marathon..

Indian Charlie 10-19-2010 03:46 PM

You guys crazy?

Workforce should stomp these.

lemoncrush 10-19-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 708746)
STEVE BYK (At the Races, SiriusXM): Carla Gaines confirmed Tuesday that Temple City will go to Churchill Downs to compete in the Breeders' Cup Marathon..

This is one race I might not even attempt to handicap. I honestly haven't even heard of most of the runners rumored to go, and I can't imagine many have competed at the BC Marathon distance before coming into the race.

NTamm1215 10-19-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 708746)
STEVE BYK (At the Races, SiriusXM): Carla Gaines confirmed Tuesday that B. Wayne Hughes' Temple City will go to Churchill Downs to compete in the Breeders' Cup Marathon..

Was it the fact that he was beaten only 91 lengths on dirt last time out that put her over the top?

Kasept 10-19-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 708749)
This is one race I might not even attempt to handicap. I honestly haven't even heard of most of the runners rumored to go, and I can't imagine many have competed at the BC Marathon distance before coming into the race.

I'm kind of 'involved' in the Marathon as I'm doing the write-up for it and the Mile again this year for the Xpressbet BC Wagering Guide...

It looks like it's going to be an interesting edition.

Kasept 10-19-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 708754)
Was it the fact that he was beaten only 91 lengths on dirt last time out that put her over the top?

No performance over the Hawthorne surface deserves to discount a horse's chances elsewhere.


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