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randallscott35 10-25-2010 07:25 PM

Strongest Classic Field Ever?
 
If you are Jay Privman. Back to sleep Jay.

http://www.drf.com/news/fly-down-mor...rs-cup-classic

hockey2315 10-25-2010 07:26 PM

Second strongest ever. . . behind last year's. Maybe the best. . . but only if you-know-who wins.

Privman is insufferable.

randallscott35 10-25-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 711102)
Second strongest ever. . . behind last year's. Maybe the best. . . but only if you-know-who wins.

Privman is insufferable.

He should honestly be fired for writing something that dumb. Where is NPR?

Dahoss 10-25-2010 07:32 PM

I don't agree with him at all, but he said "one of", not the strongest.

I normally enjoy Privman's work, but I think he's way off here.

randallscott35 10-25-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 711107)
I don't agree with him at all, but he said "one of", not the strongest.

I normally enjoy Privman's work, but I think he's way off here.

What's to enjoy? To even consider among the Top 10 fields is ludicrous.

Dahoss 10-25-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 711108)
What's to enjoy? To even consider among the Top 10 fields is ludicrous.

I mentioned twice I thought he was wrong.

But normally he's pretty good IMO and he never said it was the best, which is how you portrayed it.

randallscott35 10-25-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 711112)
I mentioned twice I thought he was wrong.

But normally he's pretty good IMO and he never said it was the best, which is how you portrayed it.

There is a ? after my title. People can read the article. I portrayed that writing what he wrote was idiotic which it was. :wf

NTamm1215 10-25-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 711114)
There is a ? after my title. People can read the article. I portrayed that writing what he wrote was idiotic which it was. :wf

It's the strongest BC Classic field
























since 2008.

iamthelurker 10-25-2010 08:32 PM

I can't think of too many years that WEREN'T stronger.

eajinabi 10-25-2010 09:12 PM

1998 was the strongest

ateamstupid 10-25-2010 10:05 PM

Zenyatta

DaTruth 10-25-2010 11:25 PM

It might be the greatest field ever to assemble in a starting gate, unless Quality Road is a late scratch again.

RockHardTen1985 10-25-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 711267)
It might be the greatest field ever to assemble in a starting gate, unless Quality Road is a late scratch again.

Its a really strong group. Not sure why everyone seems so down on it.

RockHardTen1985 10-25-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 711204)
Zenyatta

Champion, undefeated, 2 time BC winner.

RolloTomasi 10-25-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711271)
Its a really strong group. Not sure why everyone seems so down on it.

Who in the field has been "really strong"?

ateamstupid 10-26-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711272)
Champion, undefeated, 2 time BC winner.

Boring paper tiger who's only a 'champion' to morons. But you knew that already.

Indian Charlie 10-26-2010 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711272)
Champion, undefeated, 2 time BC winner.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 711277)
Boring paper tiger who's only a 'champion' to morons. But you knew that already.

The thing is, I don't think he does know it. He's been a fan of the game for what, three years? Maybe five?

He probably does think she's a great champion, based off of his limited view of today's standards, which are low.

TFF though, he knows better and is just being his usual dick self.

RockHardTen1985 10-26-2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 711276)
Who in the field has been "really strong"?

The big 4.

RockHardTen1985 10-26-2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 711278)
The thing is, I don't think he does know it. He's been a fan of the game for what, three years? Maybe five?

He probably does think she's a great champion, based off of his limited view of today's standards, which are low.

TFF though, he knows better and is just being his usual dick self.

Not at all IC. I think Z is amazing. I think she has been great the past 3 years.

RolloTomasi 10-26-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711279)
The big 4.

Quality Road is a cross between Lemon Drop Kid and Bertrando, meaning he's tailing off and can't get the distance.

Blame in a normal year would be under-the-radar very much like previous winners Wild Again, Skywalker, and Awesome Again. And yet he's one of the "big 4".

Lookin At Lucky is about as accomplished as Louis Quatorze or Birdstone were, neither of whom were heavily backed in their respective Classics.

Pepper's Pride was never considered for the BC Classic and almost certainly would have been a longshot if she had, not a major player.

RockHardTen1985 10-26-2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 711281)
Quality Road is a cross between Lemon Drop Kid and Bertrando, meaning he's tailing off and can't get the distance.

Blame in a normal year would be under-the-radar very much like previous winners Wild Again, Skywalker, and Awesome Again. And yet he's one of the "big 4".

Lookin At Lucky is about as accomplished as Louis Quatorze or Birdstone were, neither of whom were heavily backed in their respective Classics.

Pepper's Pride was never considered for the BC Classic and almost certainly would have been a longshot if she had, not a major player.

QR--- Because you say so?

Blame--- Im against, but the Foster and Whitney winner is under the radar?

L@L--- Is about ready to explode, TRUST.

4th- I wont comment on this filth.

ateamstupid 10-26-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711282)
4th- I wont comment on this filth.



RolloTomasi 10-26-2010 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 711282)
QR--- Because you say so?

No, I was thinking of last year's Travers and Jockey Club Gold Cup; and comparing his races this summer with those from this winter and spring.

He'd need a Black Tie Affair-type setup to win I think. As it stands, a runner-up finish after getting rundown in the last 1/16th seems like his ceiling.

chucklestheclown 10-26-2010 05:34 AM

This is actually a nice line-up; but the Bears won Super Bowl XX 25 years ago and look where they (and the rest of the NFL) are now. (In other words, the BC has not been around that long so WTF cares?).

Danzig 10-26-2010 06:28 AM

it's a sad commentary of how things are with this sport if blame, qr, zenyatta and lookin at lucky are considered a strong group. they are the best this year, doesn't mean they are particularly good-especially when one considers past top horses coming into a bc. i like blame, but only because of who he's facing off against, not because i think he's at all comparable to past top horses.

johnny pinwheel 10-26-2010 06:58 AM

someone wrote it...it must be true.......give me a break its an "average" year.

NoLuvForPletch 10-26-2010 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 711281)
Quality Road is a cross between Lemon Drop Kid and Bertrando, meaning he's tailing off and can't get the distance.

Blame in a normal year would be under-the-radar very much like previous winners Wild Again, Skywalker, and Awesome Again. And yet he's one of the "big 4".

Lookin At Lucky is about as accomplished as Louis Quatorze or Birdstone were, neither of whom were heavily backed in their respective Classics.

Pepper's Pride was never considered for the BC Classic and almost certainly would have been a longshot if she had, not a major player.

That is a pretty harsh condemnation of Looking At Lucky, don't you think? The only thing LQ and LAL have in common is that they both won the Preakness. LAL is a 5 time Grade 1 winner, who, like many others before him did not luck into winning the most over-hyped race in the game, The Kentucky Derby. What else has this horse done wrong?

blackthroatedwind 10-26-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 711309)
That is a pretty harsh condemnation of Looking At Lucky, don't you think? The only thing LQ and LAL have in common is that they both won the Preakness. LAL is a 5 time Grade 1 winner, who, like many others before him did not luck into winning the most over-hyped race in the game, The Kentucky Derby. What else has this horse done wrong?

On their best days, I honestly doubt Lookin at Lucky could come close to Louis Quatorze. I think you should take a good look at his pps. Louis ran some VERY big races, in some VERY big races, at a time when there were some VERY good horses racing.

Sightseek 10-26-2010 09:01 AM

Don't they say this every year?

Not even half as good as the last at Churchill.

blackthroatedwind 10-26-2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 711314)
Don't they say this every year?

Not even half as good as the last at Churchill.

Bernardini and Invasor would drown this bunch. And Premium Tap would fill out the tri again.

NTamm1215 10-26-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711313)
On their best days, I honestly doubt Lookin at Lucky could come close to Louis Quatorze. I think you should take a good look at his pps. Louis ran some VERY big races, in some VERY big races, at a time when there were some VERY good horses racing.

You mean he would have stacked up well against First Dude, Super Saver, Trappe Shot, and Thisskyhasnolimit?

blackthroatedwind 10-26-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 711317)
You mean he would have stacked up well against First Dude, Super Saver, Trappe Shot, and Thisskyhasnolimit?

It's scary to compare some of the 1996 3YOs to this bunch. Skip Away? Unbridled Song? Louis Quatorze? Will's Way?

randallscott35 10-26-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 711313)
On their best days, I honestly doubt Lookin at Lucky could come close to Louis Quatorze. I think you should take a good look at his pps. Louis ran some VERY big races, in some VERY big races, at a time when there were some VERY good horses racing.

You mean the Indiana Derby doesn't float your boat? Jeez.

Travis Stone 10-26-2010 09:31 AM

Unbridled's Song in full disclosure is one of my favorite horses evah... but with a different owner and better feet, I always wonder how far he could have gone. He turned for home in the Derby like the next best thing. Oh well.

Smooth Operator 10-26-2010 09:32 AM

Some of you guys better hope they get to the big mare in this one....................



20 for 20 … 3 Cups

On the brink of horse racing IMMORTALITY



By the way, pretty funny to see guys who wholeheartedly backed RA for HotY … when her biggest accomplishment was barely hanging on against the 6 for 24 Macho Again … now all of sudden talking about and dissing strength of competition.

In fact, it's downright HILARIOUS…

randallscott35 10-26-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 711323)
Unbridled's Song in full disclosure is one of my favorite horses evah... but with a different owner and better feet, I always wonder how far he could have gone. He turned for home in the Derby like the next best thing. Oh well.

He has done more to destroy the breed than any other horse in history. Like crossing a Ford Pinto with a Delorian.

randallscott35 10-26-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 711324)
Some of you guys better hope they get to the big mare in this one....................



20 for 20 … 3 Cups

On the brink of horse racing IMMORTALITY



By the way, pretty funny to see guys who wholeheartedly backed RA for HotY … when her biggest accomplishment was barely hanging on against the 6 for 24 Macho Again … now all of sudden talking about and dissing strength of competition.

In fact, it's downright HILARIOUS…

Now I need more TUMS.

Port Conway Lane 10-26-2010 09:42 AM

I don't feel it's the strongest field in the last 10 years but what I do see is that there are four horses who have never run a poor race in their careers.
Similar to 2007 when four horses were superior on paper to the remainder of the field and Awesome Gem clunked up in the picture. The difference that year was that three of the four big names were 3YOs.

As much as Zenyatta has been overhyped there is still a tendency to under appreciate not only her but all of the major players because they are in the here and now. Looking back in the past we have the benefit of assessing completed careers of horses who at the time of their appearance in major races didnt necessarily make the fields they were in strong, but subsequently went on to establish themselves.

Maybe it's me but I don't get the hyperbole or the criticism.

slotdirt 10-26-2010 09:45 AM

Where's Hovdey? I'm sure he can say something even dumber than this.


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