Are the Patriots better without Randy Moss?
 

Discuss...

Woodcock

New England Patriots - Bestest athlete in the history of the world evah = No possible way that they could be better.

:rolleyes:

Doug will have a color coded chart showing otherwise with a ROI in italics.

No Way. Randy Moss is the best NFL player of all time and the best athlete in North American sporting history.

No Bellicheat is 8-0 or a little better after the Bye week. Same as Andy Reid. Great coaches that get an extra week to watch film produce. Pats are a good bet for sure following a bye.

Technically they're not in the same sentence, but that's some funny ish.

I'm sure Jim Brown would argue with that statement. Though you probably dont know who he is.

lol

Reid usually puts together an excellent 15 play game plan to start the game.

After that... its all up in the air.

He might be the scariest guy in the NFL with a challenge flag or time out.

And Brady hasn't lost a regular season home game since the week of the 2006 Breeders Cup.

The Pats were favored by a field goal - and clawed their way back from 10 points down in the 4th quarter to force OT. They won late enough in OT that if they missed the kick the game would have probably ended a tie.

They stomped the Ravens in the regular season last year and got smoked in the playoffs when everyone was hurt.

The Ravens were "flying blind" in that they had no idea what the Pats would try to do and how to game plan for them.

They played classic Ravens style defense - and kept a deep safety back in centerfield like they always do (Idiotic now that the Pats have no deep threat) - and they dialed up some of there exotic blitzes like they always do (stupid as hell, why blitz Brady when he holds onto the ball for like a half a second? At least when Moss was there he held it longer and had to step into his throws)

The Pats were rated the #1 team in the NFL by that fancy stats site coming into the game .. now that they've put film on tape and showed their hand offensively .. they lose that element.

I realize the Chargers have lost to the St. Louis Rams and Oakland Raiders in back to back weeks ... I realize the Chargers have just lost their best offensive player Antonio Gates to an injury. They MURDER the Patriots this week though.

This is the game you bet against the Pats. On the road, after a hard fought come from behind win, after exposing the new look offense, and facing a team that everyone is down on. You don't bet against them at home, off a bye week, in a revenge game, with the opposing defense flying blind and having no certainty as to what they might see.

Chargers 27
Pats 13

That's a real bad opinion.

Yeah, you and Meyer Lansky can have the #1 rated team in football by the fancy stats people.

I'll take the team that just got disposed of by the freaking sad Raiders and the sad Rams in back to back weeks .. and just lost their best offensive player to injury.

Go to a sports bar ... ask anyone you see Pats (-3.5) against the Chargers - 98% of the people will tell you the Pats are the bet. You can tell all of them "that's a real good opinion"

The Patriots are now dink and dunk. The defense doesn't show up on the road. I don't know a god damned thing about the Chargers ... but I'd take any team with half a pulse over the Pats right now.

As much as you may think - I'm not saying this to lure you past confliction and into cheering the Pats on - this isn't some devious ploy of mine. I really think the Pats will be exposed now that they've put that film on tape. I know absolutely nothing about like 30.5 of the 32 teams in the NFL. I do know the Pats.

San Diego's favored by 2.5. Didn't you also use the 'sports bar' argument to talk about what a lock the Bills/Under were in Week 4?

Chargers are favorites Sunday?

I thought I heard the Pats were.

In that case, let me revise my final score.

San Diego 30
New England 9

Yes. I went 2-2 that week with a slight underdog on the money line. I'm 5-4 with my silly football picks on here... 6-4 if you count the Vikings game last week though I didn't bet that.

I'm basically a veritable coin flip when I attempt to handicap these un-handicappable games. I bet peanuts on these games as much for the entertainment value as anything else.

The one trend I've noticed though - is that when a line looks too good to be true - it isn't about 60% of the time or more - And the one team I know is New England.

That's not a trend, that's basic football handicapping strategy. I disagree that the Pats look too good to be true this week. The line I think looks like a cinch and therefore is probably dangerous this week is Atlanta -3.5 at home vs. Cincinnati.

Come on man. The Pats are dogs to a freaking team that just lost to the Oakland Faders and St. Louis Lambs in back to back weeks AND lost their best player to injury.

I would have expected the line to be Pats -5 .. and most people liking the Pats at that number.

They're a preseason Super Bowl contender who's 2-4, desperately needing a win and it's well known that the Pats suck on the road. Philip Rivers was lost to injury? Anybody who knows how lines are constructed could've told you before they came out that SD would be favored. It's not a trap line. NYG/DAL is basically the same game and the same line.

They're the same team with or without Moss. they'll play different but will have the same success level. They weren't going to the Super bowl with Moss and won't without him. They may still make the playoffs as they would have with Moss.

LOL

It's the only response possible on these threads.

Laugh quietly to myself.

Drinks are on Meyer Lansky tonight.

Now a first place tie. Tie for best record in the NFL and 2 big road wins, in the last 3 weeks.

Who has the tie breaker right now?

Since Moss left the Pats are 3-0 and look they might be the best team in the AFC, with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens and Steelers all close.

Moss with the Vikings....1-4, the win by a fg over the Cowboys. The clubhouse is in a mess, not all his fault, but he helped.

I think it's safe to say the Pats are better without him.

I might be a week too premature with that. I want to see how they play against the Ravens. They've only lost to us, the Pats and Steelers.

1-3.

They lost road games to the Jets, Packers, and Patriots ... underdogs in all games and basically had a good chance to win every game.

Of course, Brett Favre having elbow tendonitis, getting caught cheating on his cancer stricken wife with penis texts one day before Moss got there - and Favre losing three fumbles on snaps, throwing INT's to linebackers, and playing through two fractures in ankles helped.

You're right - The Vikings should have killed the Jets in NY, KILLED the Packers in GB, KILLED the Pats in foxboro where they haven't lost a regular season game with Brady since 2006.

I agree with your underlying claim that the Minnesota Vikings are the best team in the NFL with Moss .. and had absolutely no business losing any of those three road games.

After all - with Favre healthy, before any penis texts, they had an offense that ranked 32nd in the NFL in scoring .. and the only win they had was a come from behind home win over the Lions.

The healthy Favre with a happy Cancer stricken wife pre penis texts almost got shut out at home by the Miami Dolphins and turned it over 5 times.

The Jets got shut out by the Packers at home.

How did the Vikings offense look in Green Bay one week prior?


The Patriots are freaking 4 points favorites over the Cleveland Browns this week. Anyone who's watched their last three games knows they got outplayed badly in all of them. Turnovers are gold. The Patriots defense is as good as it gets of late.

You're losing it. The Jets had 360 yards of offense and lost because of two bullshit calls on interceptions and uncharacteristic drops by the WRs. The Packers' defense was good but it sure as hell wasn't dominant.

Enjoy being a Rams 'fan'. You're not gonna get an argument from me that the Pats are unbelievably fortunate to be 6-1.

The Jets had 360 yards and scored 0 points against the Pack AT HOME.

Minny had over 400 yards and scored 24 points against the Pack on the road - despite having instant replay overturn 3 TD's. One of which the NFL later admited it got wrong. That with a wounded QB.

The Vikings offense had back to back 400+ total yard games ON THE ROAD against the Packers and Patroits.

Spin all you want .. but only a tard thinks there offense was struggling with Moss. The offense was going in the right direction. The Over wouldn't be 8-0 in all 8 Moss games this year if his offense was sh!t.

I don't give a sh it about the Vikings or Moss. They're completely irrelevant to me. I only wanted to let you know the Packers didn't smother the Jets on Sunday like you think they did.

Like I said, enjoy trying to get people to care about the Rams.

I think the Steelers are the best team in AFC... with Jets right behind them & Pats, Ravens etc.

Not my fault you are a snarky bitchy bully

FTFY

jk tho

The point is the Pats are better without him. You can make all of the excuses you want. They are.

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

I can only imagine why this thread was bumped. What a waste of life.