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randallscott35 10-07-2010 09:22 AM

No Food Stamps For Soda
 
Why on earth were you ever allowed to get soda with food stamps is a better question? What the ****?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/ny.../07stamps.html

Arletta 10-07-2010 09:31 AM

Whats next? No chips or cookies?

Coach Pants 10-07-2010 09:32 AM

George Hacker is what's wrong with America.

dellinger63 10-07-2010 10:05 AM

Why punish everyone on food stamps when the target is obesity? How about the skinny, redneck, meth-head who sells his family's stamps each month for 50 cents on the dollar?

Crap, I just stigmatized rednecks.

randallscott35 10-07-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704516)
Why punish everyone on food stamps when the target is obesity? How about the skinny, redneck, meth-head who sells his family's stamps each month for 50 cents on the dollar?

Crap, I just stigmatized rednecks.

Once you get the food, I can't control what you do with it....but we don't let people on food stamps, say, buy cigarettes, so soda is in the same vein as far as I'm concerned.

dalakhani 10-07-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704522)
Once you get the food, I can't control what you do with it....but we don't let people on food stamps, say, buy cigarettes, so soda is in the same vein as far as I'm concerned.

How about Butter? Crisco?

randallscott35 10-07-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 704524)
How about Butter? Crisco?

You are comparing soda to butter?

dalakhani 10-07-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704525)
You are comparing soda to butter?

How about soda to crisco?

randallscott35 10-07-2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 704526)
How about soda to crisco?

I stand by my original post. You can agree to disagree...But realize they already disallow purchases of certain items from food stamps so simply bringing up this or that is besides the point. The food stamp law is clear that not everything is considered food.

dellinger63 10-07-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704522)
Once you get the food, I can't control what you do with it....but we don't let people on food stamps, say, buy cigarettes, so soda is in the same vein as far as I'm concerned.

$200 in stamps gets you at least $100 in cash. No food involved.

dalakhani 10-07-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704528)
I stand by my original post. You can agree to disagree...But realize they already disallow purchases of certain items from food stamps so simply bringing up this or that is besides the point. The food stamp law is clear that not everything is considered food.

I think its a great topic Randall and I really don't have a position one way or the other although I think that government is opening up pandora's box when it goes this deeply into regulating what food stamps can buy. The items that are currently prohibited are clearly defined and really no logical debate can be made. But this soda thing? Where do you draw the line? Are sodas bad but fried chicken is okay?? What comes next?

alysheba4 10-07-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704525)
You are comparing soda to butter?

......i would say its more about "big brother" .....

randallscott35 10-07-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704531)
$200 in stamps gets you at least $100 in cash. No food involved.

Wonderful. Fraud exists everywhere. Obviously it is wrong. Not really on topic though. It is what you use the food stamps for in the store. If you are selling them for meth, then this doesn't affect you anyway.

randallscott35 10-07-2010 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 704533)
......i would say its more about "big brother" .....

Not really actually. This is government cheese we are talking about. If you don't want a handout you can drink 10 liters of soda a day.

Coach Pants 10-07-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 704532)
I think its a great topic Randall and I really don't have a position one way or the other although I think that government is opening up pandora's box when it goes this deeply into regulating what food stamps can buy. The items that are currently prohibited are clearly defined and really no logical debate can be made. But this soda thing? Where do you draw the line? Are sodas bad but fried chicken is okay?? What comes next?

Well they are regulating just about every profession known to man. But when the deadbeats and retards fall under regulation all of the weak-kneed liberals strongly object to it.

They should let all of the weak people starve to death. 41 million Americans on food stamps and the majority of them don't give a f.uck what's going on in this country. All they care about is getting that check at the first of the month and their god-damned food stamps. And they are out-breeding the middle-class and rich at an alarming rate. It's not sustainable.

dellinger63 10-07-2010 10:55 AM

[quote=randallscott35;704534]Wonderful. Fraud exists everywhere. Obviously it is wrong. Not really on topic though. It is what you use the food stamps for in the store. If you are selling them for meth, then this doesn't affect you anyway.[/QUOTE]



When a guy goes into a store and is able to turn in his stamps for cash he usually isn't going to invest that money. Hopefully he is buying cigarettes and liquor and not crack and a hot gun. Nonetheless it affects everyone and especially those footing the bill.

Then when Akmand the store owner turns in the $200 in stamps he gets cash. Of course since he didn't sell any food he is now able to be creative on paper diverting his 100% profit to fake distribution companies hopefully not in Iran or Syria. Multipy by a 100 people and he's pulling in $10K/Month with no taxes for counting money and mailing an envelope. Multiply that by number of stores and you get the idea. Another fine taxpayer-subsidized fiasco.

randallscott35 10-07-2010 11:02 AM

[quote=dellinger63;704542]
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704534)
Wonderful. Fraud exists everywhere. Obviously it is wrong. Not really on topic though. It is what you use the food stamps for in the store. If you are selling them for meth, then this doesn't affect you anyway.[/QUOTE]



When a guy goes into a store and is able to turn in his stamps for cash he usually isn't going to invest that money. Hopefully he is buying cigarettes and liquor and not crack and a hot gun. Nonetheless it affects everyone and especially those footing the bill.

Then when Akmand the store owner turns in the $200 in stamps he gets cash. Of course since he didn't sell any food he is now able to be creative on paper diverting his 100% profit to fake distribution companies hopefully not in Iran or Syria. Multipy by a 100 people and he's pulling in $10K/Month with no taxes for counting money and mailing an envelope. Multiply that by number of stores and you get the idea. Another fine taxpayer-subsidized fiasco.

Outrage it up. But you are off topic.

dellinger63 10-07-2010 11:53 AM

[quote=randallscott35;704544]
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704542)

Outrage it up. But you are off topic.

I could give a crap if some fatazz kid is drinking a coke bought w/food stamps.

Danzig 10-07-2010 12:20 PM

i saw fried chicken mentioned. no prepared food is allowed. so theyd have to buy frozen and take it home to cook. seems like nutritional food is what it should be for, and soda is deinitely not nutritional or a ncessary item for survival.

Honu 10-07-2010 01:51 PM

Foods stamps wont get you toilet paper or tampons which seems kinda stupid because ALL people NEED T.P.

clyde 10-07-2010 01:56 PM

You can buy baseball cards with f.s. if you sign an affidafit promising you will eat them.

the_fat_man 10-07-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704542)


Then when Akmand the store owner turns in the $200 in stamps he gets cash. Of course since he didn't sell any food he is now able to be creative on paper diverting his 100% profit to fake distribution companies hopefully not in Iran or Syria. Multipy by a 100 people and he's pulling in $10K/Month with no taxes for counting money and mailing an envelope. Multiply that by number of stores and you get the idea. Another fine taxpayer-subsidized fiasco.

Add to this all the subsidized nonagenarian Asians that have never worked a day in this county, as they're recent immigrants, and all the recent immigrant Arabs having their food subsidized while driving $50k SUV's, and you kind of wonder why they don't crack down on who exactly is getting subsidized rather than what they can buy. Nothing like all the foreigners teaching the locals how to manipulate the system. And we're worried about soda?:rolleyes:

dalakhani 10-07-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 704557)
i saw fried chicken mentioned. no prepared food is allowed. so theyd have to buy frozen and take it home to cook. seems like nutritional food is what it should be for, and soda is deinitely not nutritional or a ncessary item for survival.

When I said Fried chicken, I meant in regards to Crisco.

chucklestheclown 10-08-2010 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 704672)
When I said Fried chicken, I meant in regards to Crisco.

Is oven-baked fried chicken going to be allowed?

clyde 10-08-2010 11:16 PM

All right ,Dahla...I've had about enough of this.


Why are you not attacking?

r u actually going to let me get away with all the wise guy remarks I have made to you?

SOREHOOF 10-08-2010 11:50 PM

Just wait until the Govt. is in charge of YOUR health.

randallscott35 10-09-2010 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 705260)
Just wait until the Govt. is in charge of YOUR health.

You can separate the fact right that the government is providing the food right? This is not the government in charge of what you're eating. Let's compare apples to apples first.

Riot 10-09-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704542)
When a guy goes into a store and is able to turn in his stamps for cash he usually isn't going to invest that money. Hopefully he is buying cigarettes and liquor and not crack and a hot gun. Nonetheless it affects everyone and especially those footing the bill.

Then when Akmand the store owner turns in the $200 in stamps he gets cash. Of course since he didn't sell any food he is now able to be creative on paper diverting his 100% profit to fake distribution companies hopefully not in Iran or Syria. Multipy by a 100 people and he's pulling in $10K/Month with no taxes for counting money and mailing an envelope. Multiply that by number of stores and you get the idea. Another fine taxpayer-subsidized fiasco.

Food "stamps" haven't been real coupons ("stamps) for some years now. Food assistance is a debit card with an amount loaded on by the government, and having a PIN set by the person getting the assistance. In grocery stores where the card is swiped, it will reject paying for non-food items (like toilet paper, guns, cigarettes, etc)

About the only way left to get cash for your food assistance now is to buy groceries with it, then stand in the parking lot trying to sell those groceries to others at half-price for cash out of your trunk (what they do at a local WalMart near where I live, and yes, illegal)

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-09-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 704531)
$200 in stamps gets you at least $100 in cash. No food involved.

bingo! red bull and prime rib also with the food stamps..

Cannon Shell 10-10-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 704525)
You are comparing soda to butter?

You compared soda to cigarettes

randallscott35 10-10-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 705721)
You compared soda to cigarettes

Yes.

Cannon Shell 10-10-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 705740)
Yes.

how are they comparable?

randallscott35 10-10-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 705802)
how are they comparable?

I realize you are obese Chuck, but you have to have some idea of nutritional values. Soda is sugar/corn syrup/poison. It is a ticket to the fast lane of obesity.

"Drinking one soda or sugary drink a day can pack on 15 pounds a year. A 20 ounce drink can contain up to 16 packs of sugar. And while food stamps can’t be used to purchase cigarettes, beer, liquor, pet food, vitamins, household goods or prepared foods like deli sandwiches, you can use them to buy as many sugar-packed beverages you want.
That could soon change in the Big Apple.
The mayor, who’s already banned smoking in restaurants, bars and many public places, banned trans-fats in restaurants and requires the posting of calorie counts on menus, is now asking the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which sets the rules for the Food Stamp program, to forbid New Yorkers from using those stamps on any beverage containing more than ten calories per 8 ounces (except for milk products and fruit juice without added sugar).
Bloomberg says “This initiative will give New York families more money to spend on food and drinks that provide real nourishment.” He requested a two-year ban to study its effect and weigh whether a permanent ban is in order.
City statistics show nearly 40 percent of public school children in Kindergarten through 8th grade are overweight or obese and obesity rates are higher in poor neighborhoods. So is the consumption of sugary beverages. With 1.7 million city residents on food stamps, the impact could be dramatic.
The beverage industry is, as you might expect, opposed to the Mayor’s proposal. The U.S.D.A. says it “appreciates the State’s interest” and “will review and consider the State’s proposal.”


Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...#ixzz11zRCWjqf

Bigsmc 10-10-2010 03:35 PM

Diet Soda > Smokes

randallscott35 10-10-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 705811)
Diet Soda > Smokes

Also poison. I agree.

hi_im_god 10-10-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 705812)
Also poison. I agree.

so you just wanted to call chuck fat?

randallscott35 10-10-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 705815)
so you just wanted to call chuck fat?

Not at all, but if you want to ask a dumb question....The same reason I am against universal health care. How ridiculous if I make the right health choices and I have to pay for people who don't. No thanks.

Bigsmc 10-10-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 705812)
Also poison. I agree.

Just pointing out that you zeroed in on obesity and diet soda doesn't cause that.

Back on topic, where do they draw the line? If I am following the logic of some, they shouldn't let people buy bottled water with food stamps either, there should be a spigot somewhere where they can get it free. Right?

randallscott35 10-10-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 705818)
Just pointing out that you zeroed in on obesity and diet soda doesn't cause that.

Back on topic, where do they draw the line? If I am following the logic of some, they shouldn't let people buy bottled water with food stamps either, there should be a spigot somewhere where they can get it free. Right?

The issue is soda. The law has to do with soda. I will discuss soda. I realize the fun people have changing topics b/c they think it will make them pee further in a given thread. It's funny to me. Fact is, there is absolutely no reason food stamps should be used for soda. If Chuck or anyone else would like to make a separate thread to discuss butter and food stamps feel free. Otherwise polluting my thread with idiocy doesn't change the fact that fat kids and people don't need more soda with government money.

randallscott35 10-10-2010 03:45 PM

My God, and the idea that someone who is fat, doesn't know they are fat is ludicrous. It isn't about hurting anyone's feelings here. We all make choices.


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