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NTamm1215 10-02-2010 02:39 PM

To Honor and Serve
 
Nice looking 2YO. Final time of his maiden win was only .29 slower than Colizeo's win in the Star of Cozzene.

Sightseek 10-02-2010 02:40 PM

He is nice, the race call was fun too.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-03-2010 06:36 AM

He looks like a star in the making.

Bill Mott is absolutely brutal with 2yo debuters on dirt - and this horse ran so strong first out. His preformance yesterday was absolutely tremendous.

Bill Mott has 916 starts with 2yo's since 2003 - and his ROI from that huge sample size in a horrid $1.17 - you're talking about a 41.5% loss on the betting dollar.

And with 2yo's on dirt since 2003 - 594 starts and a $1.13 ROI - you're getting into losing triple the takeout. Words can't describe how awful that is.

Mott's two-year-olds tend to improve a whole lot from age two to three when he trains them .. and - if they get transferred to another barn - the improvement is often significant.

Zayat moved some of his 2yo's with Mott to Baffert one year - and several of them saw a big spike in form. Zensational and Pioneer of the Nile most notably. Baffert took POTN from Mott off of a 3rd place finish beaten 8 lengths to Square Eddie at Kee and a 5th place finish behind Midshipman in the BC Juv - POTN won his first four straight for Baffert - all at the Grade 1 and Grade 2 level before the winning streak was snapped with a 2nd place finish in the Kentucky Derby.

NTamm1215 10-03-2010 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 702582)
He looks like a star in the making.

Bill Mott is absolutely brutal with 2yo debuters on dirt - and this horse ran so strong first out. His preformance yesterday was absolutely tremendous.

Bill Mott has 916 starts with 2yo's since 2003 - and his ROI from that huge sample size in a horrid $1.17 - you're talking about a 41.5% loss on the betting dollar.

And with 2yo's on dirt since 2003 - 594 starts and a $1.13 ROI - you're getting into losing triple the takeout. Words can't describe how awful that is.

Mott's two-year-olds tend to improve a whole lot from age two to three when he trains them .. and - if they get transferred to another barn - the improvement is often significant.

Zayat moved some of his 2yo's with Mott to Baffert one year - and several of them saw a big spike in form. Zensational and Pioneer of the Nile most notably. Baffert took POTN from Mott off of a 3rd place finish beaten 8 lengths to Square Eddie at Kee and a 5th place finish behind Midshipman in the BC Juv - POTN won his first four straight for Baffert - all at the Grade 1 and Grade 2 level before the winning streak was snapped with a 2nd place finish in the Kentucky Derby.

That's kind of the way I saw it. He ran a very nice race in his debut rushing up the inside to reach contention and battling all the way. The pedigree is solid to go long as I think we're going to see the Bernardini offspring improve as the distances get longer. His dam was a stakes winner and he's a half to India, who won the Cotillion at Philly Park in 2006.

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2010 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 702612)
His dam was a stakes winner and he's a half to India, who won the Cotillion at Philly Park in 2006.


I assume that would be considered the downside?

NTamm1215 10-03-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 702623)
I assume that would be considered the downside?

What a colossal disappointment she was. I had almost forgotten that she was a huge favorite in the Matron that Folklore crushed.

Betsy 10-03-2010 10:56 AM

I was really hoping the race would come off the turf because I thought his debut was exceptional. I've never rooted against an Indy, but I did root against Astrology that day and after the race I was certain that To Honor and Serve was the better horse. Was that Charlotte Weber in the winner's circle? I thought so, but couldn't be sure.

Anyone know what Beyer fig he got? He's not on the DRF leaderboard.
Thanks!

VOL JACK 10-03-2010 07:33 PM

95

NTamm1215 10-03-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 702800)
95

Are you talking about Arian Foster's longest TD run of the season or To Honor and Serve's Beyer?:)

VOL JACK 10-03-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 702801)
Are you talking about Arian Foster's longest TD run of the season or To Honor and Serve's Beyer?:)

Beyer.

Wish he would have run like that while at UT.

NTamm1215 10-03-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 702803)
Beyer.

Wish he would have run like that while at UT.

I knew which one. To Honor and Serve has a better future but I like both.

VOL JACK 10-03-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 702804)
I knew which one. To Honor and Serve has a better future but I like both.

I bet Foster will make more :$:

Betsy 10-03-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 702800)
95

Thanks!

The Indomitable DrugS 11-06-2010 02:21 PM

Looked good winning a Graded Stakes at AQU today with a candy trip.

Mott's plan was to run him back in what should be a moderate Remsen Stakes - he basically won't have to worry about Graded earnings next year and can do whatever he wants with him. We'll see if he goes through with that plan.

gales0678 11-06-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 717834)
Looked good winning a Graded Stakes at AQU today with a candy trip.

Mott's plan was to run him back in what should be a moderate Remsen Stakes - he basically won't have to worry about Graded earnings next year and can do whatever he wants with him. We'll see if he goes through with that plan.


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hockey2315 11-06-2010 02:48 PM

Anybody want to buy out my future bet?

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 717883)
Anybody want to buy out my future bet?


If your serious, PM ME NOW. Ill be in AC next Friday, easy meet.

hockey2315 11-06-2010 03:20 PM

No way I'm selling. I got an underlay at the time, but now it doesn't look that way.

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 717935)
No way I'm selling. I got an underlay at the time, but now it doesn't look that way.


What odds do you have/

hockey2315 11-06-2010 03:22 PM

When I looked at Wynn's website he was 60-1, but by the time my guy got the bet down he was 30-1.

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 717939)
When I looked at Wynn's website he was 60-1, but by the time my guy got the bet down he was 30-1.


A big better like yourself has at least 1k on him, so you could smash this. He is in my top 2.

Betsy 11-06-2010 04:15 PM

Well, my other horses did squat this weekend, so To Honor and Served saved me from a wipeout. I DVRd the race as I'm away for the weekend, but I assume he'll get a nice Beyer as he ran 3 seconds faster than the Tempted.

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 718023)
Well, my other horses did squat this weekend, so To Honor and Served saved me from a wipeout. I DVRd the race as I'm away for the weekend, but I assume he'll get a nice Beyer as he ran 3 seconds faster than the Tempted.

The Tempted was brutally slow.... Unless the runner up ran back to her debut, then he should get about a 118

The Indomitable DrugS 11-06-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 718023)
Well, my other horses did squat this weekend, so To Honor and Served saved me from a wipeout. I DVRd the race as I'm away for the weekend, but I assume he'll get a nice Beyer as he ran 3 seconds faster than the Tempted.

Running Girlamo in the Sprint instead of the Dirt Mile .. and Vineyard Haven in the Dirt Mile instead of the Sprint is about as clueless a move as you'll ever see.

Yeah, lets run the A. P. Indy horse six furlongs ... and lets run the brilliant sprinter that can barely stay 7 furlongs in the Dirt Mile.

Stupidity to the extreme.

Betsy 11-06-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 718048)
Running Girlamo in the Sprint instead of the Dirt Mile .. and Vineyard Haven in the Dirt Mile instead of the Sprint is about as clueless a move as you'll ever see.

Yeah, lets run the A. P. Indy horse six furlongs ... and lets run the brilliant sprinter that can barely stay 7 furlongs in the Dirt Mile.

Stupidity to the extreme.


Did you mean to post this here?

I missed the Sprint, but Girolamo didn't even finish on the board, so I assume he didn't run well.

Betsy 11-06-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 718025)
The Tempted was brutally slow.... Unless the runner up ran back to her debut, then he should get about a 118

The track was slow, it seemed. The mile maiden race was run in 1:39 and change. If I'm reading my fractions correctly, THAS finished the mile in 23 and change.......just galloping. I saw a pic of him - he looked like he was out for a stroll in the park.

By the way, I know the Juvenile was ALL Uncle Mo, but since I missed the race - was Biondett's fourth one of those where it was completely suck up or did he run ok? Thanks!

RockHardTen1985 11-06-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 718052)
The track was slow, it seemed. The mile maiden race was run in 1:39 and change. If I'm reading my fractions correctly, THAS finished the mile in 23 and change.......just galloping. I saw a pic of him - he looked like he was out for a stroll in the park.

By the way, I know the Juvenile was ALL Uncle Mo, but since I missed the race - was Biondett's fourth one of those where it was completely suck up or did he run ok? Thanks!

I dont think he ran well at all... Just kinda clunked.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-06-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 718051)
Did you mean to post this here?

I missed the Sprint, but Girolamo didn't even finish on the board, so I assume he didn't run well.

Girolamo ran great in the Sprint. I was very impressed with his performance considering the trip he got.

Betsy 11-06-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 718055)
Girolamo ran great in the Sprint. I was very impressed with his performance considering the trip he got.

Thanks, I'm glad to hear that. I missed all of the races through Goldlikova, so I had no idea he had a bad trip. I guess now I'm annoyed/frustrated.........I suppose he'll be retired.

Betsy 11-06-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 718054)
I dont think he ran well at all... Just kinda clunked.

I read the chart and I guess I can't complain too much.......it doesn't seem like that bad an effort. I'll try to catch the replay later and judge for myself. Thanks!

Betsy 11-07-2010 07:02 AM

Not that 97 is anything to sneeze at, but since he ran his mile much faster than the other races on the card, how come the figure is on the lowish side?

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 718809)
Not that 97 is anything to sneeze at, but since he ran his mile much faster than the other races on the card, how come the figure is on the lowish side?

Its really not low... For this time of the year its pretty big, the other race got an 80... How much bigger could they make it? I think 80 is a bit generous on the other race.


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