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Can't see the USA winning this week

Monty hurt his team by not taking Casey , but , i don't think it matters

Course will not help americans here

The Ryder Cup. Until they change it I won't care. Ummm, you have 12 players on a team. 12 divided by 2 is 6 not 4. To have 8 of the best professional golfers in the world stand around watching other people people play the 4 ball and foursomes two mornings and afternoons is ridiculous. I have never comprehended the logic of not having every golfer play every match. Pure stupidity is this event. The President's Cup is a hair better as I think they only have 4 of the best in the world watching each morning and afternoon the first two days.

I wonder if Ryder Cup officials will ever figure this out? 8 guys with the potential to shoot a 62 are watching golf shots instead of hitting them. Go ahead and make it 8 man teams, then it would be worth watching. I remember back in the day, Europe would always sit guys the entire two days and have them only play singles when they weren't as deep as the US. I felt them winning the Ryder Cup was meaningless doing this. It proved nothing.

I disagree completely. If you have one or 2 players off form it could cause you to lose the cup. Look at Overton for the US, he has been awful recently. Do you want to give away four points because earlier in the year he got a bunch of suck up top 10's? Has he never won a tournament on tour? I'm not saying he can't turn it around but he hasn't played well recently.

Here are the results of Overtons last tournaments
8/15/10 PGA Championship 71 74 71 74 79 -- 298 +10 $13,900.00
8/29/10 The Barclays T56 68 73 73 71 -- 285 +1 $16,875.00
9/06/10 Deutsche Bank Championship CUT 70 72 -- -- -- 142 E --
9/12/10 BMW Championship T57 72 76 72 74 -- 294 +10 $16,800.00
9/26/10 THE TOUR Championship presented by Coca-Cola 29 75 70 73 73 -- 291 +11 $121,500.00

I feel by sitting people it adds to the strategy and intrigue. What if Tiger is still playing crappy, will Pavin have the balls to sit him? Let the best players settle it, not players you are stuck with because they played well two years ago.

That's ridiculous. Qualification is heavily based on the current year...thus Overton qualified. He played very well through July. Woods did not qualify. He was SELECTED by Pavin to PLAY. How did Fowler play in the Fed EX Cup playoffs?? Horrible. Didn't even make the Tour Championship. He was SELECTED by Pavin to PLAY. He actually chose someone not playing really well to play because of his match play success in the Walker Cup....Great, let's see him play match play all day long, not watch him watch someone else hit golf shots. No--having everyone play every match would actually add to the strategy. Figuring out who to pair a player not playing well with to increase their chances of winning takes strategy. Benching someone not playing well takes zero strategy. I'm one who actually prefers a 12 horse field in a grade 1 race than a 4 horse field. I'd rather see Overton, Woods, and Fowler and Harrington and Molinari play every single match. Every one of them is capable of going low on any particular day. The Ryder Cup is an exercise in deprivation of performance opportunity by a stupid set up. All 24 players should play all 5 rounds available to see which side really set up the best team in the two years they had to do it. Yeah, great event...figure out which great golfer should not play golf today to win a golfing competition. The Ryder Cup stinks.

I see a way we can win.... Have you know who lay money on the Euros and we will win it going away.:D

Overton and Mickelson getting paired up together should lead to a chance for a couple of pts in alternate shot.
Overton said he needed the break he had 2 weeks ago, but it sure didn't translate to this past week's showing.


Tiger should be out there for at 3 events. Best Ball.

Have no idea about the other players' pairings.

I hate to say it, but I really think the US is going to get steamrolled.

God, I hope so.

ooooohhhhh, only less than two days until we can witness the pure unadulterated excitement of watching 8 golfers watch golf shots and not play golf to determine a winner of a golfing competition. can't wait.

My two brothers are there to watch this. The only way I would go is to play the courses there.

I don't see it Phil. Europe may win, but I don't think it's gonna be a steamroll. I, for one, am looking forward to a great weekend of golf.:tro:

The Euro lineup is stronger top to bottom... and they don't even have two of their best players on the team (Casey and Rose.) Homecourt advantage on a course built specifically for this event. Based on how they are playing right now/have played in previous Ryder Cups, I would rank them as such:

Jim Furyk Rory McIlroy
Dustin Johnson Luke Donald
Steve Stricker Graeme McDowell
Phil Mickelson Ian Poulter
Zach Johnson Martin Kaymer
Stewart Cink Lee Westwood (Westwood has an injury concern or would be higher)
Tiger Woods Francesco Molinari
Bubba Watson Edoardo Molinari
Matt Kuchar Ross Fisher
Rickie Fowler Padraig Harrington
Hunter Mahan Miguel Angel Jimenez
Jeff Overton Peter Hanson

That's all well and good bro...but it's The Ryder Cup, ANYTHING can, and usually does, happen. The game of golf is a fickle, fickle mistress:)

Every Ryder Cup there are at least 5 miracle match play acts of God that turn or win matches. Throw away the expectations, the Cup is won by the better team, time and time again.

Tiger will win or be party to at least 3 points this weekend, as he takes advantage of the strongest part of his game. Match play is the wheelhouse of his previous game.

I beg to differ. See 2008 Ryder Cup. On paper, that European team should have drowned the US...but we all know what happened there.

I should have said the better Match Play team which is what was meant by citing the big shots or match turning points. For the USA it is usually about the singles but "risk reward golf courses" give the USA team more than a chance but your right Kev I said it poorly.

True. I worked the Ryder Cup in '95, and the US team was SO much better than the Euros... and lost.

I like it less than I used to, but it's still a great event.

Love that golf course. Got a chance to play it in 1997 when we were in town for the tournament at Locust Hills.

I worked there for 3 years. I like it a lot, especially because it brings major tournament golf to my home town... but think it's overrated nationally. Golf Digest had it #11 in the country this time around, I am 100% positive just in NY it should not be rated above National Golf Links, Bethpage Black, and Winged Foot East- and those are just ones I've played.

Yeah, it was nice, but I can't see it being ranked that high.

oak hill was a roller costar for curtis strange

he became the 1st player to win back to back opens since ben hogan there in 1989

then in 1995 he was a pick of lanny wadkins and he just flat out stunk it up
he singles match against faldo was the turning point for the Euros on sunday

Nick finished 4-4-4 and Curtis finsished 5-5-5 to lose 1 down , Faldo hit a career wedge shot on 18 to close to a gimmie after driving it wa left and not being able to go for the green , curtis made bogey from the middle of the fariway , has to be one of his toughest losses ever , usa lost by 1 pt

as for Winged Foot East Kev in my opinion it is a better course than the West course . the east course lets the average player use every club in the bag. the west course is just driver , 3W on every hole for the avg member it too much

yup

faldo got his revenge at oak hills i guess one could say

strange had him all day but couldn't finish him off , that wedge shot on 18 by faldo has to be one of the best of all time in that even

I know this may sound crazy, but I think a lot of people forget how great of a player Faldo was.

i would say he was the best player in the world from '87- till tiger

i know greg norman was the #1 player for a lot of those years but faldo clearly knew who to close in majors better than the shark

we never got to really see faldo and seve go head to head , when faldo got real good seve's back was shot , i don't know who would have won that matchup

but i don't think seve would have folded like a chair against nick the way the shark did in the '90 open and then later at the '96 masters , but, we will never know

Fancy a wager Kev??
:$:

Golf is deader than dead. No Tiger, no juice.

Fourball pairings Friday:
Mickelson/D. Johnson v. Westwood/Kaymer
Cink/Kuchar v. McIlroy/McDowell
Woods/Stricker v. Poulter/Fisher
Watson/Overton v. Donald/Harrington

So he sits Furyk in the first matches? Why? The probable Player of the Year coming off the shot of his life?

Love the pairings, but I think the Euros will be up 2.5-1.5 after the morning.

I have a rule that I don't take money from guys over 50. Happy belated, by the way.

Haven't you read my posts here and the replies to them? That's the underlying brilliance of the Ryder Cup I've been told. The incredible strategy this shows and the fun we get to have watching a great player like Furyk who just won 10 million I heard watch other players hit golf shots. That's why this event is so great. We get to watch match play wizard Ricky Fowler watch golf shots too. Perhaps Furyk and Fowler can play bingo with the Molinari brothers in the morning or have a putting contest on the practice green. That would be awesome theatre.

When you hear comments like, "I don't think I have ever seen this much standing water on a course and have them still playing" and "It's hard to believe they are still playing out there", you are sure to get some fine competition.

Early in the round, Euros are better mudders, as you would expect.

They had to buy new rain gear from a Dick Head!

Great comeback by the US after the rain delay. Done til tomorrow.

Is the rain making this event better? Did I actually read all 24 golfers are playing the next two events on Saturday and they're shortening it to 3 instead of 4 thereby forcing this and making all 24 play the foursomes and four ball on Saturday? I can actually get into that.

Rain is awesome!! (listen to what the rain is telling you, listen to what the rain is telling you! Play all the golfers....see who really has the best team. )

Spot on.

Honestly- if the "all play" format goes well, I could see them switching going forward to everyone plays all matches. More players = more ticket sales (which are limited Fri/Sat due to only 4 groups on course) = more money. And your point will be proven right.

USA up 2 1/2 to 1 1/2 after 1st day fourballs. Amazing. Watson/Overton destroyed Harrington/Donald. Mickelson/D Johnson got destroyed by Kaymer/Westwood. Cink/Kuchar halved after McIlroy saved Europe...they could have easily won. Stricker carried the carcass of Tiger Woods around for 8 holes and all by himself beat Poulter/Fisher. I will actually enjoy today with all 24 golfers on the course! Of the 8 golfers who played, Jeff Overton was the best one.

Overton has been unbeleivable! Kucher, Johnson, and Woods not so much. The great think about match play is things can change fast.

Tired of hearing about Dustin Johnson. He's done nothing but choke when it really matters. I know that the media wants to bone him but for f.ucks sake stop acting like he's the second coming of Nicklaus.

It's her fault.