Winter Memories
 

Nice looking debut yesterday. She could turn out to be awfully good with that pedigree. Anyone have her Beyer?

Juvenile Turf Fillies
Grade 2 Purse: $1,000,000 Distance: 1 mile (Turf) Age: 2YOs

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Agree.. She looks to be something special.

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That it?

On grass (esp. with 2yo's) it's more the "how did she look?" that the "what was the fig?" This filly looked very good. Her length of stride and eagerness to run on after the wire was very impressive.

She is a two year old, you think they pop 90's all the time?

^^^^ Beyers enabler.

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That was a SERIOUS move by a SERIOUS racehorse.

80 Beyer

She was impressive both today on the yielding turf and at the Spa on hard ground. Even with a wide trip, she was over 2 seconds faster than the boys in the Pilgrim, one race prior today.

Just got a chance to watch the replay. :tro::tro:

That was impressive. Your first post could turn out to be pretty prophetic...she really could turn out to be awfully good.

The two races were run on two different courses, with very different configurations, that also may dry differently, thus the times can't be compared at face value.

What's your take on Winter Memories?

It is quite clear that the 2 courses had quite different amounts of "boggage". DC running his opening half in 51 confirms that. Plus WM made a big move in the middle of the course, where it seemed to be firmer footing than the rail.

The configuration of the two courses led to the different paces as is always the case in 1 1/16 races on the two courses. As for things being theoretically deep inside....there is more proof the other way. The third finisher was down inside most of the way and the first two finishers are significantly better than the rest of the field. No disrespect to your horse, but the race was bet very strangely, and the winner should have been a MUCH shorter price.

As for Winter Memories, she's obviously a nice horse, and I'm happy for Jimmy Toner, but it's a little premature to crown her a future champion.

When I tried to rate the best 2yo turf horses of both genders during the last decade - and the 90's - I was pretty surprised how so many of them didn't develop or improve all that much going forward. I probably considered 50 or 60 or so horses in total... so it was very surprising to me. A lot of them were close to forgotten horses.

Although, a small few of them did become very good dirt horses. Barbaro, Peace Rules, and Big Brown.

Interactif was outstanding in his first two turf races last year - and he's 1-for-7 this year with the lone win a nose victory in the Hall of Fame .. and that's pretty good maturation in relation to a lot of the others I considered.

Artie Schiller was a tremendous 2YO that continued to improve.

Singletary comes to mind . King Cugat, Chester House, Riskaverse .

Manndar never even raced at age 2. Chester House didn't run in America until the BC Classic. King Cugat was beaten in both of his Graded Stakes tries on turf at age 2.

For every Singletary, Artie Schiller, Paradise Creek etc .. there's a lot of forgotten ones .. a few from the 90's that I had saved on my comp...

American Day:



Crypic Rascal:



Promontory Gold: (dam was Possibly Perfect)



Swamp:

Correct on Manndar . In general your point that good turf horses peak later in their careers seems vaild .

Wow, I forgot all about Cryptic Rascal. He looked like the next coming of Lure early on.

American Day's (half to Best Pal) turf msw was one of the most awesome maiden wins I've ever seen.

It really was a thing of beauty, seeing him win that day. The two most recent that I would rate in the same ballpark would be Barbaro's and Indian Charlie's.

The latter two however, were debut performances.

Didn't Billy Badgett train him?

Whatever happened to Promontory Gold?

I have seen no progeny from him.

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Incurable Optimist was a very good grass 2yo. The much maligned Pioneer of the Nile was a nice grass 2yo as well.

None taken. Based on pedigree, the 4 is a very nice horse. He did nothing on the racetrack that made him any better than DC.

His maiden breaker went in the same time, on the same course, with the same varient as our debut. I'm still trying to figure out how his Beyer was 6 pts higher?

WM is a lovely filly.

Not true at all. His maiden win was a very impressive effort. He was close to an extremely fast pace and held off all the closers. Last time, in the With Anticipation, he was badly squeezed at the start, resulting in him actually being last very early, and still managed a respectable race.

I wish you extremely well with Dual Citizenship....but he has never run as well as the winner.

I remember Swamp, he was fun to watch.

Go to class.

IO was the one I considered best of the 90's.

PotN wasn't even under consideration. He was 1-for-2 on the turf - a 4th to Ninth Client and a one length win over Lime Rickey in a MSW ... both races with figures in the 70's. Hardly Incurable Optimist esque.

Speaking of impressive debuts on grass.
affirmatif's was as good as it gets.
(As a 3yo)
Look at what a slug he's turned out to be.

But, and thankfully, people keep betting him.

Didn't you tell them to?

I really dont like when you say that.

English Channel only raced 1 time as a 2YO. He turned out pretty decent after that.

He was the man.