Breeders' Cup Futures
 

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-loo...rites-overseas

Some interesting ones out there... I would have thought that Goldikova would have been shorter than 2-1, especially since Miday is 7-4.

The Mile is a lot more competitive than the FM Turf.

if Paco, Makfi et al go to Churchill, she could well be higher than 2-1!

more odds if you want to see http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-rac...st-racing/flat

If Zenyatta runs, I have to imagine she'll be a shorter price than 4-1 at post time.

Those are interesting, a mare (defending champ yes but still) and a 3YO that got creamed when he ran at CD (circumstances dictated that I know and I like him) co-favs in the Classic?

personally, I think Zenyatta is a MUCH better bet at 4-1 than Looking at Lucky at the same price.

Not sure, one thing I have learned is a trip (regardless of how bad) over the CD surface is valuable. LAL is as honest a runner as they come, if he doesn't get beat up he typically wins. 14 horse field and some experience gives him a better shot than last year. That and he truly is a better horse on dirt.

I agree. I'd also take Blame at 6-1 and Afleet Express at 12-1 before I took Lookin at Lucky at 4-1.

Can't open the links here … but it's unbelievable to me that Blame isn't the BCC fav at this point.

If Rachel has a dominating next start and if Quality Road runs one of those huge beyers AND if they both decide to go in the Classic this fall, the oddsboard will be an attractive one for any horse that can be deemed a contender. Obviously if you want to bet this race, you would have to want to root for QR and Rach in their next races.

Thanks for posting...

Blame at 6-1 right now is just silly. Im not saying I like him, but how the hell is he not the favorite right now?

10 Panels?
LAL and Z have been successful beyond 9.
Only reason I can think of, he certainly deserves to be.

When was Lookin at Lucky successful beyond 9? And Blame's stretch-running style certainly doesn't suggest that 10 furlongs will be a problem.

Preakness and I agree.

Yeah, forgot about that. :zz:

Still don't think that race was anything special though.

I think most Blame fans including a large one who hangs out on this website all thin Blame will LOVE THE 10F TRIP. Im pretty sure that are banking on him improving going 10f. Plus the race being at Churchill a track we know he loves, 6-1 is crazy. If Blame wins this JCGC and he will be no more then 6-5 to do that, then there is no possible way he is over 5-2 in the BCC.

So if the field is something like Quality Road, Blame, Zenyatta, Lookin at Lucky, Afleet Express, and five or six other fillers, who do you like? Despite the most recent effort, I'm not opposed to Quality Road in that crew.

QR,Z. QR will bounce back Saturday and then Todd will have 2 months to have him ready to fire 1 HUGE SHOT. We will see. If they all make it, Blame will be higher then 5-2. I think Afleet Express can step up and compete in the JCGC

Still gotta like Zenyatta here until she loses. I'd take both Blame and Lucky over QR. Just don't think the 10f is QR's best distance.

I think the turf races are going to be great!!

Didn't he have that before the Whitney?

I know.... He is facing much softer and Blame just beat him on the square. Who can compete this time? Does GOAT 1 jump up and win this race?

I can't believe Blame's odds either. I would be all over that at 6-1 compared to the other shorter prices.

Quality Road may be better suited for the dirt mile, but I'd take some of that as well if he went at that price.

I can't agree more. QR and the dirt mile would be a great fit. Where do you think the Candy's will run (Sidney and Twirling?)

I know he's been the lone speed before and faltered, but he's also been the lone speed and run a 120 or whatever it was. Just saying, if there's a horse that can freak in a race like the Classic in 2010, it's Quality Road.

I too will be be keying QR if wherever he goes in the BC. Just plain think he is the best horse out there despite the Woodward (went too slow early IMO).

You will probably get 6-1 on Blame on race day anyway, if Zenyatta comes into the race undefeated.

Invasor was 7-1 in 2006 despite winning the Pimlico Special, Suburban, and Whitney throughout the year.

LAL is the antithesis of Bernardini.

One got an insane amount of hype, the other gets little to no respect.

Invasor in this group would be 7/5.

LaL? Zenyatta will be the equivalent of Bernardini, not him. And let's be real, Bernardini would eat Lookin at Lucky's lunch.

Beaten fav at CD in the Classic?

.........yeah, looking at lucky could not beat zenyatta at any distance on any surface. blame at 6-1 would be sweet.

Maybe, but I was going for the unbeatable superhorse bandwagon. Like I said, if she were somehow equal odds as Lookin at Lucky, I'd be all over her in a head-to-head wager.

Got it. Guess it would depend the circumstances between those two. As the Classic looks right now, I would probably lean towards Lucky.

As would Invasor to Blame.

Strongly disagree. Blame is a very good horse.

Yeah, I get it. He beat the immortal QR.

We have no idea how it looks right now. We know of five or six horses pointing to the race. Predicting pace scenarios 2+ months out is futile IMO.

Thats not all he has done.

True, but what we know of the 5 or 6 horses makes a difference no? We have 2 real closers, one very fast horse (when ridden that way) a solid mid pack stalker who wins a lot more than he loses. And Richards Kid I guess. Just those few make a pretty fun hypothetical scenario. How else can we bet future odds?

I don't usually play futures, but if I do, it's based on ability, not pace, considering we're 2 months from the entry box, plenty of time for horses to fall out of and join the picture.

I am guilty of futures when at the Wynn. I would agree that ability would be the key in making those decisions. I have a tendency to over analyze "big" races too far in advance and wind up making bad bets from what usually winds up as good handicapping. The falling in and out it why they can be generous with the odds and why they are not great bets, which is why I make them in Vegas :zz: