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OldDog 08-06-2010 10:02 AM

Dry Martini has a retirement plan
 
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SARATOGA SPRINGS — Michael Blowen, president and founder of Old Friends Thoroughbred retirement farm, is one of Carol Nyren’s biggest fans.

“She’s the first owner,” he said recently, “who started a retirement plan for a horse that’s still racing.”
http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2...1776243161.txt

TouchOfGrey 08-06-2010 10:08 AM

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Though Dry Martini is in fine racing health, last year the Nyrens began to think about the end of his racing days, and they called Michael Blowen. Learning that it would cost less than $3,000 a year for their horse to live at Old Friends, they made the decision to fully fund the horse’s retirement. A portion of Dry Martini’s purse money is set aside for his retirement, and the Nyrens donate 1% of the purse money from all of their horses to Old Friends.

While the challenges for horses after their racing days are over are not lost on the Nyrens, their feelings on the subject are unequivocal. “Anybody who wants their horse to go to retirement should contribute something,” stated George.

Carol concurs. “If you can manage to find the money to nominate your horse to the Breeders’ Cup, you can find the money to support its retirement. Breeders and owners need to be responsible, and their financial support for retirement needs to be mandated.”
:tro:
We need more horse owners like this.

my miss storm cat 01-04-2011 03:06 PM

I hope he does well here... :)

http://www.drf.com/news/dry-martini-...llions-classic

OldDog 01-04-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 739582)

Alright!

Show 'em what you got, boy!

(Thanks for spotting that, MMSC)

richard 01-04-2011 03:20 PM

After winnig the Suburban H.

Greg Brandow photo

smuthg 01-04-2011 03:50 PM

this really is an amazingly cool story... I do wish more owners would do something like this for their horses, especially the geldings who are more apt to be neglected. thanks for posting.

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 739598)
this really is an amazingly cool story... I do wish more owners would do something like this for their horses, especially the geldings who are more apt to be neglected. thanks for posting.

It's an age-old, specious debate.

"Owners" - which one?


The reality is that 99.99% of these geldings will go through multiple "Owners" in their career ... So who gets the lucky straw?

Is it the breeder's responsibility to care for the horse after his racing career is over, since it is he that arranged and profited from the birth, and subsequent breeder awards?

Is it the purchaser at the sale?

Is it the trainer that claims him back multiple times in his career be cause he was "useful"?

Is it the last guy that wound up claiming the unsound or uninterested beast?

Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by merasmag (Post 739631)
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Rudeboyelvis 01-04-2011 06:49 PM

hmmmph.... too late.... Already there :(

The good news is that I don't think anyone will confuse your sentiment with your posts..... It's all the same, basically........Is what I'm gettin' at.

freddymo 01-04-2011 06:58 PM

The horse made these people 1.3 mil less expense, people are all excited about them taking care of him for the rest of his life?

my miss storm cat 01-04-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739641)
The horse made these people 1.3 mil less expense, people are all excited about them taking care of him for the rest of his life?

Yes.

Freddy no matter how I answer this I'm going to sound like i live in fairyland or something.

He's 8. How long do horses live for?

Wouldn't it be great if every owner (I know, I know) did this or something like it?

We all know it doesn't happen so yeah... these people deserve applause.

It's too bad that it's so rare were talking about it, isn't it?

Sightseek 01-04-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739641)
The horse made these people 1.3 mil less expense, people are all excited about them taking care of him for the rest of his life?

Why does every positive thread bother you so much?

my miss storm cat 01-04-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 739649)
Why does every positive thread bother you so much?

:D

freddymo 01-05-2011 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 739649)
Why does every positive thread bother you so much?

because this is utterly absurd. ballywhoing for people that are giving a horse a place to stay after they had him for 6 or 7 years and the horse made them 1.3 mil. This is not the typical, nothing about this situation is typical.

Start a thread about a guy who claimed a horse for 5k, but the horse sucked never earned a dime and still the people found a spot to retire the horse and PAY thousands a year to keep the beast alive. That is a feel good thread. this is just utter nonsense, a horse that made 1.3 mil for people is getting a good home..Yea Think?

Seriously this is pandering for applause.. It's the same thing as the Repole speech, the guy made 400mil net and his horse won the BC Juvy and is worth 10mil tomorrow and everybody is wet in the panties because he made a donation to horse rescue.. The act of kindness is fine but isnt it something most big owners do? You think Dinny is stffing a horse resue operation when they hit him up for a significant donation? You think Ms. Webber lets her stock end up in kill pens? Satish buys all the Padua stock he bred back if his son gets the news, i have heard him tons of times explaining how it cost him 5k just to retreive vet and find a decent spot for a laimo animal just because the tatoo in its mouth was signed Padua.

Did you hear the Aga Khan found a good home for Sea the Stars. Let's all feel good that are friend Sea the Stars will be ok. lol

You know how lucky you have to be to own a horse that earns you 1.3 mil.. Come Nic its hardly a feel good story. Someone took care of a stud 7 fig earner call the Katie Couric film at 6 of the big guy romping in the paddock.

randallscott35 01-05-2011 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739788)
because this is utterly absurd. ballywhoing for people that are giving a horse a place to stay after they had him for 6 or 7 years and the horse made them 1.3 mil. This is not the typical, nothing about this situation is typical.

Start a thread about a guy who claimed a horse for 5k, but the horse sucked never earned a dime and still the people found a spot to retire the horse and PAY thousands a year to keep the beast alive. That is a feel good thread. this is just utter nonsense, a horse that made 1.3 mil for people is getting a good home..Yea Think?

Seriously this is pandering for applause.. It's the same thing as the Repole speech, the guy made 400mil net and his horse won the BC Juvy and is worth 10mil tomorrow and everybody is wet in the panties because he made a donation to horse rescue.. The act of kindness is fine but isnt it something most big owners do? You think Dinny is stffing a horse resue operation when they hit him up for a significant donation? You think Ms. Webber lets her stock end up in kill pens? Satish buys all the Padua stock he bred back if his son gets the news, i have heard him tons of times explaining how it cost him 5k just to retreive vet and find a decent spot for a laimo animal just because the tatoo in its mouth was signed Padua.

Did you hear the Aga Khan found a good home for Sea the Stars. Let's all feel good that are friend Sea the Stars will be ok. lol

You know how lucky you have to be to own a horse that earns you 1.3 mil.. Come Nic its hardly a feel good story. Someone took care of a stud 7 fig earner call the Katie Couric film at 6 of the big guy romping in the paddock.

Well said

Sightseek 01-05-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739788)
because this is utterly absurd. ballywhoing for people that are giving a horse a place to stay after they had him for 6 or 7 years and the horse made them 1.3 mil. This is not the typical, nothing about this situation is typical.

Start a thread about a guy who claimed a horse for 5k, but the horse sucked never earned a dime and still the people found a spot to retire the horse and PAY thousands a year to keep the beast alive. That is a feel good thread. this is just utter nonsense, a horse that made 1.3 mil for people is getting a good home..Yea Think?

Seriously this is pandering for applause.. It's the same thing as the Repole speech, the guy made 400mil net and his horse won the BC Juvy and is worth 10mil tomorrow and everybody is wet in the panties because he made a donation to horse rescue.. The act of kindness is fine but isnt it something most big owners do? You think Dinny is stffing a horse resue operation when they hit him up for a significant donation? You think Ms. Webber lets her stock end up in kill pens? Satish buys all the Padua stock he bred back if his son gets the news, i have heard him tons of times explaining how it cost him 5k just to retreive vet and find a decent spot for a laimo animal just because the tatoo in its mouth was signed Padua.

Did you hear the Aga Khan found a good home for Sea the Stars. Let's all feel good that are friend Sea the Stars will be ok. lol

You know how lucky you have to be to own a horse that earns you 1.3 mil.. Come Nic its hardly a feel good story. Someone took care of a stud 7 fig earner call the Katie Couric film at 6 of the big guy romping in the paddock.

What you fail to realize is that those of us who post these stories care whether it is Dry Martini or a horse who never earned a dime on the racetrack. Most of us who post in this thread and others probably follow (and donate to) the TRF and other rescue organizations and either own an OTTB, know someone who does or ride them. Dry Martini is a recognizable name to anyone who follows the sport - it is a horse that most people have some sort of connection with and therefore someone thought it would be threadworthy. It doesn't make that horse any more important than the horse struggling to break his maiden at Mountaineer.

You of course, would post something against any story.

OldDog 01-05-2011 08:48 AM

I don’t see what’s absurd about this. The Nyrens aren’t pandering. They’re putting their money where their sentiments are. For that they happened to garnish the praise of Michael Blowen, a guy who knows a thing or two about retirement programs for thoroughbreds. Are the Nyrens unique? Perhaps among “big owners” they aren’t. I don’t know. Who can tell me? But among owners in general they must be. Otherwise thoroughbred rescue and retirement programs funded by non-industry people and staffed by volunteers wouldn’t be necessary.

I take it back: I do see the absurdity in this, which is that the industry itself doesn’t mandate providing retirement for the very horses which it professes to love and without which it wouldn’t exist, like this one:
http://thesaturdaypost.org/blog/2011...ary-racehorse/

and that because of that fact stories like this seem extraordinary.

Dahoss 01-05-2011 10:10 AM

Dry Martini will always hold a special place in my heart, as he was the horse that enabled me to win a contest. Glad to hear he's going to have a nice home.

Freddy does have a point though. I just don't think he made it the right way. If this were the norm, instead of the exception it wouldn't be a story. It's too bad we are so excited when someone does the right thing, because it means we are so accustomed to people not doing it.

freddymo 01-05-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 739797)
What you fail to realize is that those of us who post these stories care whether it is Dry Martini or a horse who never earned a dime on the racetrack. Most of us who post in this thread and others probably follow (and donate to) the TRF and other rescue organizations and either own an OTTB, know someone who does or ride them. Dry Martini is a recognizable name to anyone who follows the sport - it is a horse that most people have some sort of connection with and therefore someone thought it would be threadworthy. It doesn't make that horse any more important than the horse struggling to break his maiden at Mountaineer.

You of course, would post something against any story.

Come now why in the world does someone (owners) need to create a story about the retirement of a horse? How many horses get retired daily without fanfare?

I like you care about the future of retired animals. I don't necessarily think that a horses successful retirement is anything more then being human with a beast. I give a lot of extra credit to owners who go the extra yard to make sure their horses are well provided for, I cant image Satish likes spending 5k on something that needs to be rescued and is worthless. Owners like Sanaan have to protect their name (Padua) you think he gives a fcuk about the horse? I don't.

Is claiming/buying a horse a lifetime committment to a horses welfare? It's a very difficult issue. The ones that make you 1.3mil are a lot easier to care for then the ones that dont.

Sightseek 01-05-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739827)
Come now why in the world does someone (owners) need to create a story about the retirement of a horse? How many horses get retired daily without fanfare?

Um, because people care to know what happened?

We get it Freddy, you don't care. Is it really necessary to be so passive aggressive everytime someone wants to post something they care about?

richard 01-05-2011 12:48 PM

Horse racing is best served to mandate responsibility for a racer's retirement . I agree with the owner of Dry Martini .

my miss storm cat 01-05-2011 12:58 PM

Freddy you keep talking about how much this horse has made and it's making me wonder something...

I'm not an owner and have no idea but is 1.3 million really a huge amount in the scheme of things?

I mean he's 8 now, right?

Chances are he's not halfway through his life so taking into account all the expenses he'll continue to incur it's not like he won the Dubai World Cup here.

It's a hell of a lot of money, I know, but still... it's a big commitment.

I just wanted to add that as I agre with everything Sightseek has said and second it (all).

Oh yeah and Rudy you were asking earlier who should be responsible?

I don't have the answer but hopefully more and more horses will have someone at some point in their career who will step up.

freddymo 01-05-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 739881)
Freddy you keep talking about how much this horse has made and it's making me wonder something...

I'm not an owner and have no idea but is 1.3 million really a huge amount in the scheme of things?

I mean he's 8 now, right?

Chances are he's not halfway through his life so taking into account all the expenses he'll continue to incur it's not like he won the Dubai World Cup here.

It's a hell of a lot of money, I know, but still... it's a big commitment.

I just wanted to add that as I agre with everything Sightseek has said and second it (all).

Oh yeah and Rudy you were asking earlier who should be responsible?

I don't have the answer but hopefully more and more horses will have someone at some point in their career who will step up.

How many horses win 1.3 mil? It's not a lot of money if you are the Aga Khan. I think you all totally missed the point. How could they not take care of the horse? I am stupidfied its a friggin topic. Congrats the owners they are seeing there horse is cared for..

randallscott35 01-05-2011 01:44 PM

Freddy,

How much money should a horse have to make to avoid the meat truck? 200k? 500k? Inquiring minds want to know.

freddymo 01-05-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by richard (Post 739877)
Horse racing is best served to mandate responsibility for a racer's retirement . I agree with the owner of Dry Martini .

What does that mean you should escrow dollars for a horses retirement upon you taking ownership? Maybe we should have horse support courts that make sure you make your horse support retirement payments or you go to jail? Obviously I agree it is VERY human to provide for your animals welfare. BUT it isn't a perfect world and horse is still a horse. If you have it like some you can send people to pick up rescues that you bred and lost touch with like Sanaan. Is that really realistic for 95% of horse owners?

my miss storm cat 01-05-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739904)
How many horses win 1.3 mil? It's not a lot of money if you are the Aga Khan. I think you all totally missed the point. How could they not take care of the horse? I am stupidfied its a friggin topic. Congrats the owners they are seeing there horse is cared for..

Respectfully, I think your're the one missing it.

Rudeboyelvis 01-05-2011 01:49 PM

I wasn't asking who should be responsible; it was more a rhetorical question because the term "Owners" is bandied about in all of these stories like it's a clear case, when in reality there are typically many, many owners in a gelding's lifetime.

This particular case is quite the exception; not the rule.



"should" and "will" are semantics - personally don't believe you should own horses if you cannot provide care for them or place them in a suitable environment after their career - but I, and this is just me- draw that line once a horse is taken off me.

If I claim a horse and lose it 10 days later, should I feel as though I should be held accountable to pay the way for this horse the rest of his life after racing?

I can tell you that I have personally placed every horse I've ever had that was in my care when it's career ended.

These include horses purchased from the sales, horses I've claimed and horses that were bought and never even made it to the track.

I know where each of them are and can visit them anytime I choose. And do.

The ones claimed away? I still have a soft spot in my heart for them, but they are not mine, thus not my responsibility.

In fact if every "owner" adopted that model, there would be a whole lot less of an issue.

my miss storm cat 01-05-2011 01:52 PM

Rudy I don't know if the greater percentage of owners are like you or not.

I hope that they are, but...

freddymo 01-05-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 739906)
Freddy,

How much money should a horse have to make to avoid the meat truck? 200k? 500k? Inquiring minds want to know.

Meat truck? Randall this is not the friggin point at all. I am at odds with slaughtering horses and very wishy washy on the subject. In a perfect world I would have super humane ways of destroying horses mandated and allow slaughter. That just isnt ever likely so I tend to be more against slaughter then for it. I just think you should be able to feed your family whatever you want and can afford. Why should someone tell me what I can and can't eat.

The point of the story is that the owners should just shut up and take care of the horse. He made them a ton period.

randallscott35 01-05-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 739914)
Meat truck? Randall this is not the friggin point at all. I am at odds with slaughtering horses and very wishy washy on the subject. In a perfect world I would have super humane ways of destroying horses mandated and allow slaughter. That just isnt ever likely so I tend to be more against slaughter then for it. I just think you should be able to feed your family whatever you want and can afford. Why should someone tell me what I can and can't eat.

The point of the story is that the owners should just shut up and take care of the horse. He made them a ton period.

Maybe if we bred fewer horses each year and had less racing with higher quality this would be less of an issue. But like 101 Dalmations did to that breed human never learn...And I'm not here to tell Japanese people they can't eat horses either. But you can sure as hell kill them humanely which is what should be happening.

freddymo 01-05-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 739911)
I wasn't asking who should be responsible; it was more a rhetorical question because the term "Owners" is bandied about in all of these stories like it's a clear case, when in reality there are typically many, many owners in a gelding's lifetime.

This particular case is quite the exception; not the rule.



"should" and "will" are semantics - personally don't believe you should own horses if you cannot provide care for them or place them in a suitable environment after their career - but I, and this is just me- draw that line once a horse is taken off me.

If I claim a horse and lose it 10 days later, should I feel as though I should be held accountable to pay the way for this horse the rest of his life after racing?

I can tell you that I have personally placed every horse I've ever had that was in my care when it's career ended.

These include horses purchased from the sales, horses I've claimed and horses that were bought and never even made it to the track.

I know where each of them are and can visit them anytime I choose. And do.

The ones claimed away? I still have a soft spot in my heart for them, but they are not mine, thus not my responsibility.

In fact if every "owner" adopted that model, there would be a whole lot less of an issue.

Exactly well put!

AeWingnut 01-05-2011 05:08 PM

I think the story brings attention to rescue / retirement operations for horses. The self aggrandizement issue is something imagined by super critical internetards.

Dust on the Bottle made Glenn and Sharon Hild a ton of money and

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/3117/AR/US/

so I applaud the Nyrens

my miss storm cat 02-21-2011 06:04 PM

Happy retirement and good luck!

http://www.drf.com/news/dry-martini-...ter-show-horse

Sightseek 02-21-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 754984)

Freddy is going to throw a party for him!

my miss storm cat 02-21-2011 10:44 PM

Awesome! :D

Thanks, Freddy!


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