Steve Davidowitz new site
 

Heard he started one but can't find it. Anybody have a link.

I give that website a 1 on a a scale of 1000.

Thanks

www.iletoutbigsighsontheradio.com?

NT

WOW
 

:p

I think it's sad. Dude's around all these years and he still, apparently, can't make a living at the game. But he's very eager to teach others how to do so.:rolleyes:

oh ****

But, apparently, he's 'mentoring' Classhandicapper (over at PA), with the eventual goal to get him to 'see' that Bernardini moved too soon in the Classic. A very tall order, no doubt. If anyone can do it, it's Davidovitz.

ha ha ha

Some of us know that Bernadini was used hard moving early, but also appreciate aspects of Invasor's ability and the trip that day that were less apparent that should be considered.

Some of us supplement our income with gambling, but choose more lucrative and less demanding ways to make a living either inside or outside the sport.

I can't speak for Steve.

But I've made more money in a week trading the stock market than most winning players have ever made in a year at the track. The thing is, I also know that Bernadini was used hard early and understand Invasor's ability better than most. So I win at the track too.

If you want to talk about me you should at least tell the truth.

The debate at PA was never about whether Bernadini was used hard early in the Classic. Almost everyone agreed on that. The debate was whether Invasor was an all time great racehorse even though some of his Beyer figures weren't as fast as other great horses (kind of like the Zenyatta debate now).

I argued that he developed throughout the year and had a couple of trips that made it impossible for him to demonstrate the kind of figures he was capable of given better circumstances. So I considered him worthy of being considered an all time great at the end of his career even though some of his figures weren't that fast and none were as fast as Ghostzapper's etc...

I give Castellano a pass for that mistake, his mind might not have been right due to what happened a couple of hours before.

So with your 8th post you dug up a thread from July and then told us what a profitable know it all you are with both the stock market and horse racing. Well welcome because you can never have enough red-boarders on this site. I look forward to more of your posts telling us how great you actually are.

LOL. Now I have to check out your site...

OK. On the home page. It is "renowned."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/renowned

Too many typos for me to pay for. If you want a proofreader PM me.

invasior dodged bern in other races if i remember..i think a sickness day of the race at belmont?..the time off did the trick along with a early move by bern..

the workout information on gradeoneracing is a valuable tool....give it a try.

God bless ya, classhandicapper

Hope to see ya in that "Stocks" thread sometime

hey, i like that site...i already won in one of their free contests (3rd) and they are putting up 12,000 for the BC..it did not cost me a dime to be in these.

Smells an aful lot like the reincarnation of Bell Bends Boy or one of his ubiquitous "We's"......

Never thought I'd see the words "Davidowitz" and "new" in the same sentence.

My post was hardly in good taste and I apologize for that, but I wasn't the one that more or less called me an idiot earlier in the thread based on an inaccurate recollection of a very old conversation elsewhere.

I'm like everyone else. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me. :o

You'll find that I'm generally modest, anxious to learn from others, easy to get along with, and never red board unless it's explicitly to analyze a race result in which I made no bet or lost as part of trying to learn something new.

Can I call bulls.hit on this entire paragraph?

We have disagreed, but I thought 99% of the time our conversations were cordial even if somewhat frustrating.

I have objected to terms like zenyattatard (or whatever the term is) and other insulting dialogue because IMO there no reason for differences of opinion to get personal as it often has elsewhere (not from you though). I also eventually find conversations where extreme bias is present a waste of my time. Some things are subjective and debatable and others things are just plain silly. We both know how much bias there is on both sides of the debate elsewhere.

I have no skin in this game other than to bet on the outcome of a future race and perhaps pick up a insight or two. I am always looking for the center even when others (like you) don't think I am there.

I have always listened and respected what you've had to say. I have simply disagreed with some of it and thought we were basically OK despite that.

It's not the difference of opinion which causes people to ridicule the diehard Zenyatta fans.

It's the depths of insanity to which they'll sink to defend their position and their absolute refusal to even think that there might be merit in the idea that Zenyatta has been coddled and is not an all time great.

In fact, it's stuff like saying you must hate Zenyatta if you don't think she's an all time great that leads to the most ridicule that they so deservedly have earned.

I'm calling it again.

Fine.

Then I will simply avoid conversation with you here and elsewhere.

You've said that before.

You know what I love best about this site is how a simple request for some info can turn into battle royal. Can't wait til we get close to Breeders Cup Day. It's going to be a blood fest in here:)

I've also seen some extreme pro Zenyatta things that made me dizzy :zz:. I disagree with most of it.

I have no problem with people that think there are major questions about her ability on dirt or even the quality of horses in CA on synthetic. Obviously the mare division has been atrocious this year.

On occasion though, people say silly things like "she's slow".

In response to that it's possible to supply an endless amount of objective data on average paces, average winning times, the thoughts of multiple figure makers, the paces of her races, and a little common sense to more or less demonstrate that synthetic speed figures don't translate well to dirt. That means you have to go beyond speed figures to discuss her and the quality of performances across surfaces (even though IMO pace and final time figures are still a useful tool).

Some people do an admirable job of that even when I disagree with some of what they have to say.

Some people insist on saying "she's slow" even after presenting all that data etc.... IMHO that is an almost preposterous point of view because we don't know how fast she could run with a legitimate pace. What we know is that if she can run a 104-108 Beyer on synthetic (pre the adjustments Beyer made) with the typical slower synthetic paces, she can probably run a little faster than that with a more legitimate pace (as her entire record hints). Therefore, if she likes dirt as much as synthetic she might be 5 or more points faster on dirt. That's damn fast for a mare.

Beyond that, figure makers like "The Sheets" have her extremely fast.

We will have the answer to this come breeders cup day.

I find it interesting that someone wouldn't consider Zenyatta an all time great. I don't really have in depth knowledge of her races, Beyers, competition, etc, but going 20 for 20 and winning the Breeders Cup Classic should be enough to validate greatness.

Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous over analyzing.

Some would say that you are under analyzing.

great for a female.

Her record doesn't compare to Cigar for example, who had no option but to face males in every start of his 16 win streak.

some would disagree. the win streak is overblown. yeah, she's consistent, at beating mediocre horses.
as for the classic win, an historic moment, in a renewal that was lacking top synthetic horses. other than zenyatta that is.

winning a bcc doesn't make a horse great. ask volponi for one. was wild again great? arcangues? tiznow won it twice, i wouldn't even call him an all time great horse.

:rolleyes:


Yeah, he was facing some real killers in those races.

Like I said many times in the past, if the overrated Cigar would've come along a couple years later (with that group in '97), he would've been extremely lucky to put together a TWO race win streak…

:rolleyes:


Um, for the 67th time, Euros dominated the race in '08 … beautifully and gloriously exposing the overrated Curlin.

Seeing that success, they brought over a couple more pretty good ones (TO, RVW) for the '09 edition … in an attempt to steal our big race again … and Z stepped up and made them all look like donkeys.

Saying Curlin was overrated and exposed in the BCC is weak. He was clearly fading-out of top form, plus it's synthetics, which matters not when talking about fast dirt horses.

I'm a huge Ghostzapper fan and think he was among the greatest horses I've seen in my lifetime, but he had one of the softest life time campaigns imaginable.

His entire reputation was made earning inflated Beyer figures (yes IMO a few were too fast, but it's a long discussion) while beating up total non entities racing a few times a year.

Then he was life and death against St Liam before he had even hit his best ride.

Then he won a great Classic, but while controlling the pace from the rail.

Of course I can make a better case for why he was great, but the point is you can't love Ghostzapper and also trash Zenyatta's campaigns over 3 years.

I think Curlin was an impressive horse. No idea why he got brought into this.

Gio Ponti made them look like donkeys as well.