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Alan07 07-15-2010 10:02 AM

7/17 (AP): Million Preview Day
 
7th (3:22) Modesty H. (G3)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Single Solution Baze M C 114
2 Tuscan Evening (IRE) Bejarano R 124
3 Hot Cha Cha Graham J 121
4 Askbut I Won'ttell Perez E E 114
5 Eclair de Lune (GER) Alvarado J 113
6 Rainbow View Leparoux J R 122

8th (3:53) American Derby (G2)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Formulaforsuccess Alvarado J 119
2 Asphalt Leparoux J R 119
3 Marcello Nakatani C S 119
4 Mint Chip Graham J 119
5 Dream Nettie Castanon J L 121
6 Dean's Kitten Bejarano R 126
7 Workin for Hops Albarado R J 121
8 Gleam of Hope Baird E T 121
9 Mister Marti Gras Perez E E 126

9th (4:24) Arlington H. (G3)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Imponente Purse (BRZ) Graham J 113
2 Just as Well Leparoux J R 119
3 Rahystrada Karlsson I 119
4 Cross Village Baird E T 112
5 Giant Oak Alvarado J 116
6 Rumor Has It Geroux F 110
7 Marsh Side Albarado R J 122
8 Free Fighter Torres F C 116
9 General Quarters Bejarano R 122
10 Princeville Condo Castanon J L 114
11 Tajaaweed Baze M C 114

brianwspencer 07-15-2010 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 669269)
7th (3:22) Modesty H. (G3)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

4 Askbut I Won'ttell Perez E E 114
6 Rainbow View Leparoux J R 122

8th (3:53) American Derby (G2)

1 3/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

7 Workin for Hops Albarado R J 121

9th (4:24) Arlington H. (G3)

1 1/4 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000


3 Rahystrada Karlsson I 119
11 Tajaaweed Baze M C 114

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RockHardTen1985 07-15-2010 11:59 PM

I love Rainbow View.

letswastemoney 07-16-2010 02:56 AM

Tuscan Evening has gotten slow fractions in each of her wins this year. I'd be tempted to play Rainbow View here if I knew there was some speed to go with Tuscan Evening. I have not looked at the PPs yet though, so I'm not familiar with those other names

ateamstupid 07-16-2010 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney (Post 669636)
Tuscan Evening has gotten slow fractions in each of her wins this year. I'd be tempted to play Rainbow View here if I knew there was some speed to go with Tuscan Evening. I have not looked at the PPs yet though, so I'm not familiar with those other names

Hot Cha Cha is a Grade I winner.

VOL JACK 07-16-2010 08:22 AM

The G3 Arlington Handicap came up way better than most G1 turf races I have seen this year.

Scav 07-16-2010 10:06 AM

Rainbow View

with

Mint Chip, Dean's Kitten, Mister Mardi Gras

with

Just as Well, Rahystrada, Marsh Side, General Quarters, Tajaaweed

miraja2 07-16-2010 10:52 AM

I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

brianwspencer 07-16-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 669770)
I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

Mam Bird should be running a stakes race right now, if you ask me. Strike while the iron is hot, and that horse is absolutely ridiculous....but he's also got Super Robusto who has looked just as sick winning two starts on the Poly from the same ownership team, so he's just managing to keep them apart right now.

jwkniska 07-16-2010 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 669770)
I think the Catalano runner in the 10th race is an very solid single.
I'd like to play the late pick-4 but wow, the Arlington Handicap (9th) looks extremely tough to narrow down.

I'm thinking the same thing. If I can sort out the other races after I go get a DRF in a few minutes, the AH may be an 'all' or almost all button for me in it.

NTamm1215 07-16-2010 12:08 PM

Though he may have distance limitations, I still like Asphalt in the Am Derby. I thought he ran a very nice at CD.

The guy on Against the Odds on HRTV also liked Mint Chip. The price is going to be terrific but I can't seem to determine why he did no running in either of those two turf races at CD.

NT

the_fat_man 07-16-2010 12:20 PM

As much as I'm a fan of hers, I can't believe Tuscan Evening is getting 9.5F on a real/fair turf course. Especially if there's some give to it.

Don't any of the other Southern CALI trainers have a turf sprinter they're looking to stretch out (1st time)? This would be a perfect spot.:rolleyes:

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2010 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 669746)
Rainbow View

with

Mint Chip, Dean's Kitten, Mister Mardi Gras

with

Just as Well, Rahystrada, Marsh Side, General Quarters, Tajaaweed


Now way I would leave Asphalt off. Im playing it just like you with the single in the first leg, I will also lean on the top 2 in the last... Im inclinded to let Marsh Side and General POS beat me.

miraja2 07-16-2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 670003)
Now way I would leave Asphalt off. Im playing it just like you with the single in the first leg, I will also lean on the top 2 in the last... Im inclinded to let Marsh Side and General POS beat me.

I know you almost have to find a single somewhere, and I wish you and Tom the best of luck, but singling against Hot Cha Cha here seems very risky to me. I think she has a HUGE chance.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 670012)
I know you almost have to find a single somewhere, and I wish you and Tom the best of luck, but singling against Hot Cha Cha here seems very risky to me. I think she has a HUGE chance.

She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

brianwspencer 07-16-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 670017)
She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

You're crazy if you think you're getting 5-2 unless Hot Cha Cha all of the sudden gets tons of respect for the first time in her whole life. But I already told you that on Facebook, and in your defense, you posted this before I called you crazy over there.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2010 08:00 PM

:tro:
Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 670018)
You're crazy if you think you're getting 5-2 unless Hot Cha Cha all of the sudden gets tons of respect for the first time in her whole life. But I already told you that on Facebook, and in your defense, you posted this before I called you crazy over there.

After we talked lol... It was like 2 minutes after HAHAHA.
Going to see Inception, ENJOY THE CHAT.

the_fat_man 07-16-2010 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 670017)
She likely does and its a huge risk w/ Rainbow View off her last, Im hoping maybe to get 5-2, because I think she is simply the best horse if shes ok and runs to some of her back races.

Really? Which of her races make her such a stickout?

NTamm1215 07-16-2010 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 670027)
Really? Which of her races make her such a stickout?

None, if you ask me, I think her Pimlico win was a complete mirage when Gomez hopelessly sent that Clement horse clear on the turn with the race poised to collapse. She then ran a terrible race at Woodbine and I question who she beat at Keeneland. Not a horse I want at 2-1 or less.

NT

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2010 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 670065)
None, if you ask me, I think her Pimlico win was a complete mirage when Gomez hopelessly sent that Clement horse clear on the turn with the race poised to collapse. She then ran a terrible race at Woodbine and I question who she beat at Keeneland. Not a horse I want at 2-1 or less.

NT


Are you turning into FatMan? You knock the most likely winner, but dont give a pick or opinion. Who do you like? I give my opinion and if its wrong, its wrong, but its out there. IMO its a lot easier to say 1 horse is going to lose, then to tout the winner. What your doing here, what FatMan does all the time and what CJ did last weekend with Rail Trip.

the_fat_man 07-16-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 670072)
Are you turning into FatMan? You knock the most likely winner, but dont give a pick or opinion. Who do you like? I give my opinion and if its wrong, its wrong, but its out there. IMO its a lot easier to say 1 horse is going to lose, then to tout the winner. What your doing here, what FatMan does all the time and what CJ did last weekend with Rail Trip.

So, when I talked your silly ass off of ANDINA last week, I was also supposed to discuss who I thought the winner of the race was? It wasn't enough trying to get you to understand why she was a PLUG? ha ha ha (And I was also nice enough to throw you a 3:1 winner.)

You're also on record with an opinion in the Oliver at IND. You liked the Pletcher plug that got put up to 2nd as a result of a DQ. The DQd horse cut off another horse that would've certainly finished ahead of your horse. So you got real ****in' lucky. Your response: "UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH"
Oh, btw, I ventured an 'opinion' in that race: the $41 winner. :rolleyes:

And you expect comprehensive discussion of races from me?

ha ha ha



UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH

I'm still laughing.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 670092)
So, when I talked your silly ass off of ANDINA last week, I was also supposed to discuss who I thought the winner of the race was? It wasn't enough trying to get you to understand why she was a PLUG? ha ha ha (And I was also nice enough to throw you a 3:1 winner.)

You're also on record with an opinion in the Oliver at IND. You liked the Pletcher plug that got put up to 2nd as a result of a DQ. The DQd horse cut off another horse that would've certainly finished ahead of your horse. So you got real ****in' lucky. Your response: "UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH"
Oh, btw, I ventured an 'opinion' in that race: the $41 winner. :rolleyes:

And you expect comprehensive discussion of races from me?

ha ha ha



UGHHHHH, CLOSE THOUGH

I'm still laughing.

You know I respect your opinion, glad you got all this off your chest though.

the_fat_man 07-16-2010 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 670093)
You know I respect your opinion, glad you got all this off your chest though.

Then I'm glad, as well.

Indian Charlie 07-16-2010 10:35 PM

Wow, pg has gone from being a serling lover, to a drugS lover, now he's a fat man lover.

What's next? Coach?

Indian Charlie 07-16-2010 10:36 PM

I think he's going to throw a curveball next and go after either Danzig or Sighty.

Sightseek 07-16-2010 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 670138)
I think he's going to throw a curveball next and go after either Danzig or Sighty.

Shut up.

Indian Charlie 07-16-2010 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 670144)
Shut up.

What?

All this talk of Scav, well, it makes me think maybe PG will stop preying on guys here!

golfer 07-17-2010 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 669802)
Though he may have distance limitations, I still like Asphalt in the Am Derby. I thought he ran a very nice at CD.

The guy on Against the Odds on HRTV also liked Mint Chip. The price is going to be terrific but I can't seem to determine why he did no running in either of those two turf races at CD.

NT

I had the misfortune of betting him in both of those races. I don't know what exactly what happened the 2nd time, but in his 1st run, Borel tried to save a little ground on the final turn and ended up blasting the horse on his outside, then drifted in badly early stretch, and after that was not perserved with.
He won his return race at Kee, then had no chance last time at Woodbine due to race dynamics. He's going to need to move forward to compete here, but there is no obvious reason why he shouldn't. He seems to be a tough horse to steer, but Graham knows him well.

brockguy 07-17-2010 08:28 AM

In my mind, Rainbow View is very much like Fantasia in that she has plenty of talent but just doesnt always show it on the racecourse. I'd hate to rely on her as a single..

Scav 07-17-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 670215)
In my mind, Rainbow View is very much like Fantasia in that she has plenty of talent but just doesnt always show it on the racecourse. I'd hate to rely on her as a single..

There is only two horses that can win that race, Tuscan Evening or Rainbow View....Because Tuscan Evening is finally gonna see pace on a non favoring front end surface, Rainbow View is gonna get a perfect trip. She isn't a 8f or 8.5 filly, needs distance and gets it today.

I think McAnally's horse is gonna run a big race also.

CSC 07-17-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 670233)
There is only two horses that can win that race, Tuscan Evening or Rainbow View....Because Tuscan Evening is finally gonna see pace on a non favoring front end surface, Rainbow View is gonna get a perfect trip. She isn't a 8f or 8.5 filly, needs distance and gets it today.

I think McAnally's horse is gonna run a big race also.

Scavs, I'll take a shot with Hot Cha Cha, she may be the only one with any value in here and she really can't be taken too lightly. TE and RV will be pounded into submission IMO.

Scav 07-17-2010 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 670257)
Scavs, I'll take a shot with Hot Cha Cha, she may be the only one with any value in here and she really can't be taken too lightly. TE and RV will be pounded into submission IMO.

Don't like her at all. Think she is much better with give in the ground and it is as firm as firm gets right now here in Chicago. Also think she has caught some questionable fields in the past.

We'll see

Hoist Her Flag 07-17-2010 01:47 PM

Free fighter and giant oak for me in the handicap box 358-10

the_fat_man 07-17-2010 03:25 PM

WO R8:

#4, Sharp Secretary, win @ >= 5:1

ebox: 4 / 11

smuthg 07-17-2010 03:38 PM

Tuscan evening is pretty damn impressive...

Scav 07-17-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg (Post 670308)
Tuscan evening is pretty damn impressive...

No doubt she is a very good horse but these f'n jocks are just retarded. Let a Grade 1 filly barely get out of gallop the first 8 furlongs.

Let me also say that I am pretty happy that she won today because I won't play her next time if he ships her back to California and trains her there. If she stays here she will be pretty tough in the Bev D

Scav 07-17-2010 04:00 PM

Albarado doesn't show up for a 200k stakes or the 150k stakes and the public is betting this horse. God help them.

the_fat_man 07-17-2010 04:04 PM

Hard to believe Mint Chip is 11:1 and the 7 is 7:5.

CSC 07-17-2010 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 670261)
Don't like her at all. Think she is much better with give in the ground and it is as firm as firm gets right now here in Chicago. Also think she has caught some questionable fields in the past.

We'll see

Tuscan Evening was too tough today, no excuses for Hot Cha Cha, thought 7/2 was fair but when you leave a quality animal alone on the front like that, you may as well gift wrap and hand it to her before the gates open.

Scav 07-17-2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 670317)
Hard to believe Mint Chip is 11:1 and the 7 is 7:5.

You know, I kinda hope the 7 gallops today, I have minor minor investments today where Million Day, if he wins, he will be favored in the Secretariat, and he has NO CHANCE of getting 10 furlongs. We'll see


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